Thinking about a amp

[- Rovin's car audio -]

aight I settled down my choice to two amps


Atomic 1600.1 and the SAZ-1500



Which would you choose and why?

ent chiney had a thread on this bout 3wks ago ....

[markzz]

PA,Pipe,Boss.Pyramid, - LOW class amplifiers
QA,SS,etc - MID class amplifiers
SPLD,MMATS,PPI,etc - TOP class amplifiers

now i beg to differ.. PA and Audiopipe are coming out with some very good products.. and where does Pioneer fit into all of this??

i think you guys are confusing product class with quality..

low class entry level products will not perform like higher class equip
that said all companies have their higher class lines.. which are quite good!

and low class ones which are for the budget person.. and some focus on one more than the other..

pioneer for example has its el cheapo 12's which really do perform for 500bucks you say shiet but for what its worth high quality!

you wouldnt say pios 6000spl is sheit tho.. so y say pioneer is sheit?


PA and Audiopipe have their higher quality lines which really do perform.. but cannot be classed with a DD9500 series sub or equiv amp jus not in the same class..

boss and pyramid tho do focus on entry level.. so low class

Pios Pipe QA PA SS.. mid class some models*

and you all know the high quality stuff

Sorry For Spammin Guys

[aviboy]

U interested in a arc audio KAR1000v1... 1000rms @ 1 or 2 ohms... thats how it was designed.

[markzz]

u wana hear 1?

[riadb]

PA,Pipe,Boss.Pyramid, - LOW class amplifiers
QA,SS,etc - MID class amplifiers
SPLD,MMATS,PPI,etc - TOP class amplifiers

now i beg to differ.. PA and Audiopipe are coming out with some very good products.. and where does Pioneer fit into all of this??

i think you guys are confusing product class with quality..

low class entry level products will not perform like higher class equip
that said all companies have their higher class lines.. which are quite good!

and low class ones which are for the budget person.. and some focus on one more than the other..

pioneer for example has its el cheapo 12's which really do perform for 500bucks you say shiet but for what its worth high quality!

you wouldnt say pios 6000spl is sheit tho.. so y say pioneer is sheit?


PA and Audiopipe have their higher quality lines which really do perform.. but cannot be classed with a DD9500 series sub or equiv amp jus not in the same class..

boss and pyramid tho do focus on entry level.. so low class

Pios Pipe QA PA SS.. mid class some models*

and you all know the high quality stuff

Sorry For Spammin Guys

it's just for a comparison bro
yuh realy don't expect us to class every amplifier on the market now don't you??

I know they comin out with better products now but still...

[boom]

[quote="(...Rovin...)"

ent chiney had a thread on this bout 3wks ago ....[/quote]


Sry rovin but as you can see my real intentions was to use a different amp and get to know what I can get @2ohms but the last two options im considering is the atomic and SAz. And that thread wasnt too informative to me..

[DJ Q]

PA,Pipe,Boss.Pyramid, - LOW class amplifiers
QA,SS,etc - MID class amplifiers
SPLD,MMATS,PPI,etc - TOP class amplifiers

now i beg to differ.. PA and Audiopipe are coming out with some very good products.. and where does Pioneer fit into all of this??

i think you guys are confusing product class with quality..

low class entry level products will not perform like higher class equip
that said all companies have their higher class lines.. which are quite good!

and low class ones which are for the budget person.. and some focus on one more than the other..

pioneer for example has its el cheapo 12's which really do perform for 500bucks you say shiet but for what its worth high quality!

you wouldnt say pios 6000spl is sheit tho.. so y say pioneer is sheit?


PA and Audiopipe have their higher quality lines which really do perform.. but cannot be classed with a DD9500 series sub or equiv amp jus not in the same class..

boss and pyramid tho do focus on entry level.. so low class

Pios Pipe QA PA SS.. mid class some models*

and you all know the high quality stuff

Sorry For Spammin Guys

it's just for a comparison bro
yuh realy don't expect us to class every amplifier on the market now don't you??

I know they comin out with better products now but still...

dat man take that to a next level oui

class vs. quality

hmm...

[boom]

thanks Q on that most informative post between both amps.


.pioneer, I understand where u comming from WRT the amps being twins but the atomic heatsink design not selling me.. And I have concerns of it burping at .6ohm

Anyone know how well the atomic handles loads under 1ohm??

[Chiney]

shouldnt be a problem... its rated 1ohm..use it at 1ohm nah boom

[MonsterPower]

wont work, either 2ohm or .6ohm burps

[Chiney]

^^ exactly...

just use the amp for wats its worth nah man.... instead of having chances of damaging it

[Lance]

Sundown used to warantee his 1500 down to .5,

before people started to run it on fawked up electricals. it was then revoked,

[Chiney]

[DJ Q]

before people started to run it on fawked up electricals

trinis nah

[boom]

before people started to run it on fawked up electricals

trinis nah

When you dont know eh ..


See I dont mind the atomic, but I would like to see some sort of test result or sum showing that the amp CAN do XYZ at a given impendence.. I dont wanna jus spend $3000 on a amp that "supposed" to work like another beacuse it resembles it..

[Chiney]

^^ PM lance

[boom]

pioneer, how.. You keep telling me that and that the Atomic can do what I want but I never hear a fisherman say his fish spoil..

[Chiney]

pioneer, how.. You keep telling me that and that the Atomic can do what I want but I never hear a fisherman say his fish spoil..

just confused me there

[boom]

Im getting the atomic from Pios, now think about it, you ever heard a fisherman say that the fish he selling spoil?

[boom]

But i never say i sellin it...i say if u want it i will sell u it.

Right... Redundant much?

Look I need a amp to burp at .5ohm, we know the SAZ could do it but should I take for granted that the Atomic could do it beacuse it looks like the SAZ and is also based on the same zenon board..

What if jacob did something diff with the components on the board, bigger caps, diff power supply, I cant take that for granted and fry the amp..

[boom]

oh gord, ppl who bought the amp thought the amp was capabile at doing .5ohm on a STOCK electrical system, which no amp is able to do as far as I know..

[boom]

no, nothing as far as rules allow me to go will be changed.. Only thing remaining stock is the alt. Everything from grounds-battey will be changed..

[boom]

yes I do.. If I could sustain a voltage of 14v-12v for 3-5seconds Im fine.. The amp not playing on a daily system it will be mainly for BURPS..

2 ohm nominal = 948 watts @ 85% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 13.6v)
.5 ohm nominal = 1615 watts @ 72% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 11.8v)

[DJ Q]

11.8v is really low

[Chiney]

yeppp

[boom]

DJ Q, its burps... Your voltage drops under that according to my multimeter..

1. the amps are the same - same capabilties
CONVICT says:
2. the amps will be 0.5 stable
CONVICT says:
3. no i will not try mine

CONVICT says:
i cant afford to burn equipment IF something goes wrong

Why should you make claims if you arnt prepared to back them up?

Explain to me HOW the amps are the same, how do you know this for SURE, have you opened up both amps and compaired them side by side?

[Chiney]

**awaits boom's reply**

[DJ Q]

DJ Q, its burps... Your voltage drops under that according to my multimeter..

but 11.8 is still VERY low

electrical upgrade is a must

[riadb]

^^ most amps can operate down to 11V with decreased efficiency Q once there is enough current to meet it's needs.

[boom]

DJ Q, is only the alt Im not allowed to upgrade, the battery and cap should be able to mentain me for the 3-5sec interval..



pioneer, I dont get it, you insist that the amp can do .5ohm but afraid to run it there..Tell you Ill let you run over the electricals of the van, if you dont like it fine..