which sub would hit harder

[shawn_093]

Good day tuners, looking to but my first sub, the choices I have so far are the DD 612 or the loudforce 8512 would be giving them 700 to 800 watts rms. Want to kno which would be better or if I have anymore choices my budget is 1600 for the sub.

[nervewrecker]

Well since pressure = force / area (kg m s^1/ m^2 = Kg m s^1 / m^2 ) it depends on the mass of the driver, velocity it is travelling at and the area that comes into contact with you.

Id prefer using a sub for bass instead of getting lick down with it but if you wanna get lick down to be hit hard, then by all means, fix up.

[speedmelter]

certainly you'd want to use a sub with a large ferrite magnet, the neodymium type is a no no to get this result. the ones with the extra pole piece protruding at the back may hit harder due to the smaller area to apply the concentrated force. remember is not just about the sub, its also about how high you drop it from. gravity can be a beyotch at times.

[nhbk]

Well since pressure = force / area (kg m s^1/ m^2 = Kg m s^1 / m^2 ) it depends on the mass of the driver, velocity it is travelling at and the area that comes into contact with you.

Id prefer using a sub for bass instead of getting lick down with it but if you wanna get lick down to be hit hard, then by all means, fix up.

Did some light research...the loudforce is heavier by a few pounds.. you should go with that and ask a gym instructor to throw it at you..they supposed to be strong

[shawn_093]

Lol ok I should have expected that.
Let me rephrase which sub out of the two would be better.

[Cantmis]

Plenty for twenty.

[shawn_093]

Plenty for twenty.

Ikr real value for money
But come on ppl I need some serious advice

[nervewrecker]

This was a serious question?

What exactly do you want from them?

[shawn_093]

I want something that would be able to play lows well. Not really concerned about how loud it is

[shawn_093]

[quote="nervewrecker"]This was a serious question?

Yeah it was. like i said this would be my first sub as i am just getting into car audio an am not too sure of the terminologies you guys would use.

[Cantmis]

You chose those 2 brands because ?

[shawn_093]

I chose them because they fit my price range i guess but im open to suggestions as long as it fits my budget

[RAJIE]

it have the DD 512 which plays lows very well for only 800 for 1 by rovin

for a 1600 Budget u could get a pair lol

[nervewrecker]

I want something that would be able to play lows well. Not really concerned about how loud it is

When some men in here say lows they mean 40hz crix pan pang pah lang badang bass. That's not bass.

How about you give us some info on purpose of the system, what kind of music you play, budget and all what else you have or intend to buy to make up your system.

I am using the loudforce 80 series and it plays any and everything. My build thread is just a few posts below.
I have quite a few pals using digital designs sub's that play any and everything as well.

Once you answer the above questions I / we can be of better assistance. Remember though "a subwoofer is only as good as the box it is in" as loud sound says and he is a guy that knows his stuff.

[shawn_093]

I listen to all types of music but the main genre is rap. In all I'm looking to spend no more 5k, that includes sub, amp, mids and highs. Already have a amp for the mids, pioneer hu and clarion pre amp, the mono amp I intend to buy is the LFA 8001D RS.

[nervewrecker]

Model numbers of equipment?

What are some rap songs with these lows you speak of?

Does the song "bang bang" by nikki , arianna and the other for the profile of lows for you? What about tove lo "high" hippie sabotage remix?
Can you hit the notes in krewella and Nicky Romero "legacy"?

Also, is it a strict in car entertainment system to listen to when you driving around?

One that is in car and might be used to play a little something home or when with friends as entertainment within close proximity?

Rum shop / quinam lime system with that " car show" bass (or lack of for that matter) where soul provider is a song with bass

Make noise and disturb the peace.

[shawn_093]

One that is in car and might be used to play a little something home or when with friends as entertainment within close proximity

Songs like ludacris blue berry yum yum, Wiz kahlifa on my level, young geezy put on, rae sremmurd no flex zone.

What I have is a pioneer 16ub, clarion eqs746, (its not the greatest but I'll use it for now) soundstream l4.640.

What I'm buying 2 prv audio 6MB200 and 2 8MB450 not sure about highs yet, loudforce LFA 8001D RS

[nervewrecker]

Post specs nah, I feeling lazy to look.

[shawn_093]

Ok the specs are as follows ( think this is too much tho)

Model 6MB200-4
Diameter 6 in, Impedance 4 & 8Ω, RMS Power 100 Wrms, Program Power 200 W ,Sensitivity 96 dB,_SPL Freq Response 140-4.8kHz @-10fdBHZ Xmax 3.5 mm Res Freq (FS) 122.5 Hz Equiv Vol (Vas) 3.47 L Elec Q (Qes) 0.973 Mech Q (Qms) 4.451 Total Q (Qts) 0.798 Sd: Cone Area 138.9 CM2 Mms: 13.33 g Strength Factor 6.23 Tm RE 3.69 Ω VC Diameter 1.5 in Weight 3.37 Lbs Overall Diam. 167/6.5 mm/in Hole Cutout 143/5.66 mm/in Mounting Depth 66/2.6 mm/in Materials Frame Steel Magnet Ferrite Voice Coil Copper VC Former Kapton

Model 8MB450 (8'')
Diameter 8
Impedance 8 Ω
RMS Power 225 Wrms
Program Power 450 W
Sensitivity 93 dB_
SPL Freq Response 72-4k @-10fdBHZ Xmax 3.5 mm Res Freq (FS) 72 Hz Equiv Vol (Vas) 13.9 L Elec Q (Qes) 1.472 Mech Q (Qms) 7.729 Total Q (Qts) 1.236 Sd: Cone Area 210.9 CM2 Mms: 22.63 g Strength Factor 6.19 Tm RE 5.5 Ω VC Diameter 2 in Weight 3.73 Lbs Overall Diam. 210/8.26 mm/in Hole Cutout 178/7 mm/in Mounting Depth 86/3.4 mm/in Materials Frame Steel Magnet Ferrite Voice Coil Copper VC Former Kapton

Modelo LFA-8001D RS
*CLASE D
RMS 800W X 1CH @ 1 OHM MONO A 14.4V

Sound stream
L4.640 Class A/B Full Range
RMS Power 4-Ohm Bridged, 14.4-Volts: 320 x 2
RMS Power 2-Ohm, 14.4-Volts: 160 x 4
RMS Power 4-Ohm, 14.4-Volts: 100 x 4, 300 x 1

a85 Series- Special Edition New Model Sub-Woofers

Features:

GLASS FIBER CONE
Red ALUMINIUM BASKET
COIL 2.5 inch on 8" and 10" 3.0 inch on 12" and 15"
DOUBLE COIL OR SIMPLE
IMPEDANCE 4 OHMS
MAGNET WEIGHT 150 OZ

12" 750-1200 RMS $1495


The 600 series woofers features:
Double Stitched EROM Surrounds
High-temp 2.5”, aluminum former voice coil
300w-600w RMS,1800w Peak
Triple Layer Laminated Spiders
Non-pressed paper cones
Stamped steel basket with cooling vents (note : the 8" has a cast aluminum basket)
10-AWG Push Terminals
Back plate coil gap venting
3-Way cooling
Extended pole piece
100oz double stack magnet (608), and 125oz double stack magnet (610,612)

12" $1200

[3stagevtec]

Re: which sub would hit harder

I want something that would be able to play lows well. Not really concerned about how loud it is

I confused...

It so sad how people today only focused on equipment and not about getting the install done right.

[shawn_093]

Re: which sub would hit harder

I want something that would be able to play lows well. Not really concerned about how loud it is

I confused...

It so sad how people today only focused on equipment and not about getting the install done right.

It's not that I'm not focused on getting the install done right its just that I want to kno exactly what I'm buying as I am from Tobago and don't have a lot of extra time so making multiple trini is not something I can do. I want to come down and get everything in one trip

[RAJIE]

whats the price of those prv?

another good options for good performance for small $ is the faital pro fe200 (outstanding performance for price)

[shawn_093]

250 for the 6" 300 for the 8"

[shawn_093]

[nervewrecker]

Ok the specs are as follows ( think this is too much tho)

Model 6MB200-4
Diameter 6 in, Impedance 4 & 8Ω, RMS Power 100 Wrms, Program Power 200 W ,Sensitivity 96 dB,_SPL Freq Response 140-4.8kHz @-10fdBHZ Xmax 3.5 mm Res Freq (FS) 122.5 Hz Equiv Vol (Vas) 3.47 L Elec Q (Qes) 0.973 Mech Q (Qms) 4.451 Total Q (Qts) 0.798 Sd: Cone Area 138.9 CM2 Mms: 13.33 g Strength Factor 6.23 Tm RE 3.69 Ω VC Diameter 1.5 in Weight 3.37 Lbs Overall Diam. 167/6.5 mm/in Hole Cutout 143/5.66 mm/in Mounting Depth 66/2.6 mm/in Materials Frame Steel Magnet Ferrite Voice Coil Copper VC Former Kapton

Model 8MB450 (8'')
Diameter 8
Impedance 8 Ω
RMS Power 225 Wrms
Program Power 450 W
Sensitivity 93 dB_
SPL Freq Response 72-4k @-10fdBHZ Xmax 3.5 mm Res Freq (FS) 72 Hz Equiv Vol (Vas) 13.9 L Elec Q (Qes) 1.472 Mech Q (Qms) 7.729 Total Q (Qts) 1.236 Sd: Cone Area 210.9 CM2 Mms: 22.63 g Strength Factor 6.19 Tm RE 5.5 Ω VC Diameter 2 in Weight 3.73 Lbs Overall Diam. 210/8.26 mm/in Hole Cutout 178/7 mm/in Mounting Depth 86/3.4 mm/in Materials Frame Steel Magnet Ferrite Voice Coil Copper VC Former Kapton

Modelo LFA-8001D RS
*CLASE D
RMS 800W X 1CH @ 1 OHM MONO A 14.4V

Sound stream
L4.640 Class A/B Full Range
RMS Power 4-Ohm Bridged, 14.4-Volts: 320 x 2
RMS Power 2-Ohm, 14.4-Volts: 160 x 4
RMS Power 4-Ohm, 14.4-Volts: 100 x 4, 300 x 1

a85 Series- Special Edition New Model Sub-Woofers

Features:

GLASS FIBER CONE
Red ALUMINIUM BASKET
COIL 2.5 inch on 8" and 10" 3.0 inch on 12" and 15"
DOUBLE COIL OR SIMPLE
IMPEDANCE 4 OHMS
MAGNET WEIGHT 150 OZ

12" 750-1200 RMS $1495


The 600 series woofers features:
Double Stitched EROM Surrounds
High-temp 2.5”, aluminum former voice coil
300w-600w RMS,1800w Peak
Triple Layer Laminated Spiders
Non-pressed paper cones
Stamped steel basket with cooling vents (note : the 8" has a cast aluminum basket)
10-AWG Push Terminals
Back plate coil gap venting
3-Way cooling
Extended pole piece
100oz double stack magnet (608), and 125oz double stack magnet (610,612)

12" $1200

That 6" will not play midbass, at all. You will be left with a huge gap in the freq response.

The soundstream amp is OK but don't push it trying to make power and clip the sh1t out of the speakers burning them.

Specs on the deck BTW? I feeling lazy to read.

[shawn_093]

[/quote]
That 6" will not play midbass, at all. You will be left with a huge gap in the freq response.

The soundstream amp is OK but don't push it trying to make power and clip the sh1t out of the speakers burning them.

Specs on the deck BTW? I feeling lazy to read.[/quote]

Would the gap be obvious, if so what do u recommend.

As for the deck this Is all I can find

Chassis Size Compatibility 1 Din
Display/Monitor Type LCD
Display Color Variable
Key Button Color Variable
Peak Power Output 4 x 50 Watts
RMS Power Output 4 x 14 Watts
Frequency Response ---
CEA Compliant Yes
MP3 Playback Yes
WMA Playback Yes
Other Audio Playback Formats WMA
Wireless Remote Control Yes
EQ Bands 5
Sound Processor Type EEQ[REGISTERED SIGN]
Security Options Detachable face
CD/DVD Player
CD-R/RW Playback Yes
CD Text Display Yes
CD Frequency Response 20 - 20,000Hz
Tuner
Type Supertuner[REGISTERED SIGN] IIID
FM Presets 18
AM Presets 6
FM Sensitivity 9dBf
Radio Data System (RDS) Yes
Input/Output
AUX Input Front
USB Input Front
Total Preamp Outputs 1 Pair
Preamp Outputs Voltage 2 Volts

[RAJIE]

hence i reason i recommended the faital pro speakers over the prv

[shawn_093]

hence i reason i recommended the faital pro speakers over the prv

Are they really that good I've seen people on here raving about dem but not sure if I can believe the hype.

[Cantmis]

^ got skar comps n faital pro. They do the job!