components/coaxial

insanelunatic · Postby **insanelunatic** » September 1st, 2014, 3:20 am

iam considering a system that consist of four pairs of either comps or coax 6.5" 4ohm both @ 50/200rms/peak
the amps spec reads 130x4 @2ohm and 80x4@4 ohms
I was told that the amp will play the coaxial perfect but may not do the same as for the components because of the passive x-over and tweeter... is this true? btw brand is (DD)

Postby SR » September 1st, 2014, 6:15 am

Not true

Ted_v2 · Postby **Ted_v2** » September 1st, 2014, 6:27 am

Coaxials are just slightly different than the components. They have a onboard crossover where as the components have externals

insanelunatic · Postby **insanelunatic** » September 2nd, 2014, 12:14 am

thanks fellers.....good to know.. now i know which direct to take

Ted_v2 · Postby **Ted_v2** » September 2nd, 2014, 6:37 am

Go with the jbl coaxial. They are two ohm. Get full power from your amp

TiidaBanton · Postby **TiidaBanton** » September 2nd, 2014, 7:50 am

Ted_v2 wrote:Go with the jbl coaxial. They are two ohm. Get full power from your amp

Have two of these on front doors (big up jdm master) very loud and very clean/crisp highs arent screechy either 160rms @2ohm

Ted_v2 · Postby **Ted_v2** » September 2nd, 2014, 7:53 am

Niceness
You crossing them at what xo point?

TiidaBanton · Postby **TiidaBanton** » September 2nd, 2014, 8:10 am

Ted_v2 wrote:Niceness
You crossing them at what xo point?

i have the onboard crossover on the speakers @ +3db and the HPF on the deck @ 125hz hpf on amp is about 80hz

insanelunatic · Postby **insanelunatic** » September 2nd, 2014, 11:37 pm

Ted_v2 wrote:Go with the jbl coaxial. They are two ohm. Get full power from your amp

mmmmm!! which model u speak of bro?

Ted_v2 · Postby **Ted_v2** » September 3rd, 2014, 1:00 am

Jbl gto 628.

This JDM guy selling them just around 500. Rovin too

3stagevtec · Postby **3stagevtec** » September 10th, 2014, 1:13 am

Components have superior designed passive crossovers. Most coaxials are very basic in design. Components all the way..

insanelunatic · Postby **insanelunatic** » September 10th, 2014, 10:41 pm

3stagevtec wrote:Components have superior designed passive crossovers. Most coaxials are very basic in design. Components all the way..

no doubt bro.....but heard some DDz coax and they where very impressive and the price wasnt dat bad..

Aimar · Postby **Aimar** » September 11th, 2014, 10:22 am

3stagevtec wrote:Components have superior designed passive crossovers. Most coaxials are very basic in design. Components all the way..

Hmmmm.... I disagree!

Postby SR » September 11th, 2014, 10:29 am

http://dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_95

Sully · Postby **Sully** » September 12th, 2014, 7:12 pm

Aimar wrote:
3stagevtec wrote:Components have superior designed passive crossovers. Most coaxials are very basic in design. Components all the way..

Hmmmm.... I disagree!

What's an example of a coax with a good passive crossover?

roger · Postby **roger** » September 12th, 2014, 8:57 pm

Morel integras....

roger · Postby **roger** » September 12th, 2014, 9:01 pm

TiidaBanton wrote:
Ted_v2 wrote:Niceness
You crossing them at what xo point?

i have the onboard crossover on the speakers @ +3db and the HPF on the deck @ 125hz hpf on amp is about 80hz

That +3db is the attenuation for the tweeters, it's not a crossover. Your setup suggests the those door speakers are highpassed at 125hz. What you should do is lower the setting on the deck to 80hz, if the deck has that range of course.

Sully · Postby **Sully** » September 13th, 2014, 9:12 am

roger wrote:Morel integras....

I took a look at the user manual on the site. The comps have a decent crossover, however there was no mention of a crossover on the coax. Leads me to believe that like with other manufacturers they are relying on the natural characteristic of the woofer to filter high frequencies and I'm guessing that it's a single capacitor for higher high pass to the tweeter.

Postby SR » September 13th, 2014, 10:15 pm

DLS 226 coaxial

Tweeter 16 mm (0,63") with ferrite magnet
Woofer size 16,5 cm (6,5")
Power handling capacity 50 W RMS / 80 W max
Impedance 4 ohm
Frequency range 50 - 20.000 Hz
Sensitivity 92 dB (1W/1m)
Crossover Cable filter with 6/12 dB slope (HP/LP)
Outer diameter of woofer 165 mm (6,5")
Magnet size 80 mm (3,15")
Mounting depth 52 mm ( 2")
Mounting hole 145 mm (5,7")

Aimar · Postby **Aimar** » September 14th, 2014, 5:24 pm

MB Quart PVF 216 and some of the older coax Quarts had a small passive on the frame itself
German Maestro Status or Epic
JL Audio C5 or C3
I also believe that the infinity kappas had a proper x-over
There are so much more out there!
Dls had a very high end coax with proper passives

Postby SR » September 14th, 2014, 6:53 pm

Thats the dls 426 coaxial silk done tweet and full passive xover

Postby **nervewrecker** » September 16th, 2014, 9:19 pm

Aimar wrote:
3stagevtec wrote:Components have superior designed passive crossovers. Most coaxials are very basic in design. Components all the way..

Hmmmm.... I disagree!

From his experiences and knowledge I dont think what he said is written in stone.
There are exceptions, look some coax can double as comps. My (formerly his) CDT comps, the HAT imagines function as comp or coax. Not too sure of the xover network on the imagines if there was a bandpass for the woofer but I do recall seeing some sort of cap for the tweet.

I know you have experiences with some decent coax as well.