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Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2023, 7:58 am

I seeing the d drive and avatar hsve okay prices for the 12" 3krms range.

Which might be better for lows and built well so will not destroy itself?


Thinking about a single high power sub instead of a couple lower powered ones



Any thoughts on build quality

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 26th, 2023, 11:12 am

subs usually dont destroy themselves, ppl do that with incorrect enclosures, bad tuning, clipping, over powering, head bad with alco etc

i never burnt or damage any sub as yet, once u dont do anything stupid subs can last for yrsss

db drive & deaf bounce u asked about are good especially for d $

like i said a meelion times, learn to use software like winisd & bassbox etc, its no guess thing & more accurate than any advice soundbois will give u

i myself prefer a single sub, maybe 2 if i trying to distribute plenty power or for more cone area to hear outside d car purpose, anything more 2 for a daily driver IMO is impractical with d amt of space & weight in ur ride ...

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2023, 1:15 pm

That's it, this time I want a single fir space savings.

But I want sumting that I coukd carry to the limit.
Only cause those at good prices, that I feeling to try it.

Prolly might hold off, save up and get a dd or DC audio, incriminater.
Sumtng that I coukd carry to the limit, and be fur giving if I make a small mistake.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 26th, 2023, 6:32 pm

gas not cheap like 10yrs ago so less weight is better

brand vs brand thing does cause bachanal & butthurt - all i will say imo in d past few yrs some of d not as popular brands have stepped up their game & can go up against some of d big names

when u say "Sumtng that I coukd carry to the limit" i figure u want d max performance from it, like i said box software, tuning & dont overpower it 2\3\4\5 times like how trinis love to do especially when they want to play for long periods, coils of any bess brand will heat up too much & fail

usual guide for choosing an amp is 25% more head room than d sub is rated for - i wouldnt go more than 50% over board to maintain longevity ...

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2023, 7:42 pm

At 3k rms, the build quality would become a factor.
Like, skarr audio 3krms and dd 3krms is chalk and cheese.


The avatar looks damn strong...

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2023, 7:45 pm

Rovin wrote:gas not cheap like 10yrs ago so less weight is better

brand vs brand thing does cause bachanal & butthurt - all i will say imo in d past few yrs some of d not as popular brands have stepped up their game & can go up against some of d big names

when u say "Sumtng that I coukd carry to the limit" i figure u want d max performance from it, like i said box software, tuning & dont overpower it 2\3\4\5 times like how trinis love to do especially when they want to play for long periods, coils of any bess brand will heat up too much & fail

usual guide for choosing an amp is 25% more head room than d sub is rated for - i wouldnt go more than 50% over board to maintain longevity ...
I saw exo or Steve Meade, can't remember, had put some infrared temp sensors in the frame, to sense the temp of the coil.


I would look into that.



The Amp I using is 4400rms at 14v... And looking fur 3-3.5krms.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 26th, 2023, 7:49 pm

I see ah man have a 9512 rebuilt for sale on fb.

Might check it out to see how well it built and try it.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 26th, 2023, 8:21 pm

hope its not a brazilian\full bridge u have , i prefer korean half bridge amps

i dont want any sort of mickey mouse rebuilt subs for free

if is a new factory original kit "professionally installed" i might consider it but i only buy new original factory built subs ...

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 27th, 2023, 11:42 am

Seeing a man have a 9512 motor and frame fir 1700.
Coukd take a try to rebuild myself.
Original kit or psi kit.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 27th, 2023, 11:45 am

Rovin wrote:hope its not a brazilian\full bridge u have , i prefer korean half bridge amps

i dont want any sort of mickey mouse rebuilt subs for free

if is a new factory original kit "professionally installed" i might consider it but i only buy new original factory built subs ...
Ss xxx 6500

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 27th, 2023, 1:05 pm

hmm dise ah ole amp boi like nearly 15yrs ago

spawn used to have 10 of those on 10 juggs which was plenty power back then even by todays standard

i wonder how tonal or how smooth those play since it was known as a spl amp back then, which is another thing , u cud buy d lowest smoothest playing sub but if d amp making it sound rough then not making sense, some of high power amps from that era were more built for spl comps rather than smooth daily music playing ...

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Dave » January 27th, 2023, 2:23 pm

Take a trip to Rovin shop to see the selection.
Guaranteed to find something at a very great price.
cough*Rockford*cough

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby rollingstock » January 27th, 2023, 3:24 pm

I see you mentioned lows and then push to the limit.
Can't go wrong with a Orion hcca 12. Rated 2500rms but they'll handle more power easily. Factory drop in kits are also available if you fork it up lol

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 27th, 2023, 4:06 pm

hey thanks dave

i didnt know smash & times bought stuff from me yrsss ago is only when times was by me yr b4 he told me is them

sometimes i forget i have stuff in my store like those 2 12 subs incriminator dp & db drive 7k that will each easily take his whole big amp but they weight about 50&60 lbs each & in d 5k price range so i dunno d weight or budget will suit him

hcca orion is a bess choice as well, heavy sub & price heavy too ...

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 27th, 2023, 4:09 pm

rollingstock wrote:I see you mentioned lows and then push to the limit.
Can't go wrong with a Orion hcca 12. Rated 2500rms but they'll handle more power easily. Factory drop in kits are also available if you fork it up lol
During the course of today, that crossed my Mind.

They have the xmax to get the job done.


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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 27th, 2023, 4:11 pm

Dave wrote:Take a trip to Rovin shop to see the selection.
Guaranteed to find something at a very great price.
cough*Rockford*cough
Aiming 3krms+ on one 12 " or 15".


As time gojng, thinking I should wait and save up for the better build quality.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Dave » January 27th, 2023, 4:49 pm

In my humble opinion when buying a sub always buy good cause lets be honest ... everyone pushes their sub to see how much it can take. A sub is never babied!

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby nervewrecker » January 27th, 2023, 5:52 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dave wrote:Take a trip to Rovin shop to see the selection.
Guaranteed to find something at a very great price.
cough*Rockford*cough
Aiming 3krms+ on one 12 " or 15".


As time gojng, thinking I should wait and save up for the better build quality.
You want low, ain't no replacement for displacement. Single sub requires huge xmax, power and electrical to back it up.

Multiple subs is your answer.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 27th, 2023, 7:11 pm

what smash shud have told us upfront : what kind of vehicle this sub\s going in & is it a daily driver or strictly a wk end beater ? ......

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 27th, 2023, 8:00 pm

Taking out the back seat on a double cab, and using one huge ass box.

I have 8 8"s for mids, but I using my own version of the Raj boxes, and need the space, so can't use two subs.

Expecting 5000rms max draw.


I want lows, but I NEEEED the mids to be pleasant,

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby rollingstock » January 27th, 2023, 8:23 pm

Some men version of lows eh so low eh lol

What's your intended tuning or what you looking for, just lows or a sub that will play all tones and loud but still dig down into the low 20's?

If the latter can't go wrong with a DD 815.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby nervewrecker » January 27th, 2023, 8:36 pm

sMASH wrote:Taking out the back seat on a double cab, and using one huge ass box.

I have 8 8"s for mids, but I using my own version of the Raj boxes, and need the space, so can't use two subs.

Expecting 5000rms max draw.


I want lows, but I NEEEED the mids to be pleasant,
Good luck with that. Sub in cabin vs sub in truck, sub in trunk not in the cabin so more air space. Cabin is like the room it's in.

Imagine a 15" in a 10x10 bedroom vs 15" in a big living room or open concept dwelling.

Will be peaky and lossy. Also, with 5kw rms you will need a battery bank of some sort. Where you fitting that?

Building for sound clash behind Atlantic plaza?

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2023, 11:20 am

rollingstock wrote:Some men version of lows eh so low eh lol

What's your intended tuning or what you looking for, just lows or a sub that will play all tones and loud but still dig down into the low 20's?

If the latter can't go wrong with a DD 815.
Aiming fur 25hz center, hoping I don't bottom out too much.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2023, 11:22 am

nervewrecker wrote:
sMASH wrote:Taking out the back seat on a double cab, and using one huge ass box.

I have 8 8"s for mids, but I using my own version of the Raj boxes, and need the space, so can't use two subs.

Expecting 5000rms max draw.


I want lows, but I NEEEED the mids to be pleasant,
Good luck with that. Sub in cabin vs sub in truck, sub in trunk not in the cabin so more air space. Cabin is like the room it's in.

Imagine a 15" in a 10x10 bedroom vs 15" in a big living room or open concept dwelling.

Will be peaky and lossy. Also, with 5kw rms you will need a battery bank of some sort. Where you fitting that?

Building for sound clash behind Atlantic plaza?
Batteries will be on the floor behind the front seats.
Sub will take up the whole backseat, and tops will be on top that


More or less a B pillar wall off.




The peakeyness... Well this will be a big pricey experiment.(cause the price of ply now)

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby Rovin » January 28th, 2023, 11:53 am

i hearby knight thee Sir smashraj, brother of Sir jerajme, this thread might turn out long like his too, a "car audio advice - part 2"

here is how this thread shud have been posted instead :

hey guys i have a brand x 4dr pickup & i want to put some pong in it for my enjoyment no carshow thing but yea its like a gallery system i will mainly use on wk ends not daily driven

i already have a ss xxx 6500 & i want a single sub 12 sub - looking at model so & so from brand x & brand y , i willing to use d whole back seat & i want some lows too not only crixpan highbass

i thinking about using 8 8" mids in whatever box & whatever many tweeters\drivers in so & so shaped mids box to be placed on top of d sub box, all to be powered off 1 or 2 brand xyz 2\4 amp\s

i am going to put d amps & how much batts it needs in so & so location

my budget for each item is a b c d etc

what u all think or advise anything different ?


all of this shud be in ur very 1st post

i not being a dick but this is how u request info\help instead of ppl guessing what ur doing or having to be refreshing d page even now\then to be reading all these posts

every single day i have to go this with customers having to beg or play guessing game trying to get info to assist them to make proper choices b4 they buy d wrong stuff ..... :|

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby rollingstock » January 28th, 2023, 12:55 pm

sMASH wrote:
rollingstock wrote:Some men version of lows eh so low eh lol

What's your intended tuning or what you looking for, just lows or a sub that will play all tones and loud but still dig down into the low 20's?

If the latter can't go wrong with a DD 815.
Aiming fur 25hz center, hoping I don't bottom out too much.


Well you have a lot of room for the enclosure, consider a 4th order for bandwidth and the sealed portion would help protect against bottoming out. Just know the limit of your sub careful of clipping, you won't be able to see the sub.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2023, 2:15 pm

Rovin wrote:i hearby knight thee Sir smashraj, brother of Sir jerajme, this thread might turn out long like his too, a "car audio advice - part 2"

here is how this thread shud have been posted instead :

hey guys i have a brand x 4dr pickup & i want to put some pong in it for my enjoyment no carshow thing but yea its like a gallery system i will mainly use on wk ends not daily driven

i already have a ss xxx 6500 & i want a single sub 12 sub - looking at model so & so from brand x & brand y , i willing to use d whole back seat & i want some lows too not only crixpan highbass

i thinking about using 8 8" mids in whatever box & whatever many tweeters\drivers in so & so shaped mids box to be placed on top of d sub box, all to be powered off 1 or 2 brand xyz 2\4 amp\s

i am going to put d amps & how much batts it needs in so & so location

my budget for each item is a b c d etc

what u all think or advise anything different ?


all of this shud be in ur very 1st post

i not being a dick but this is how u request info\help instead of ppl guessing what ur doing or having to be refreshing d page even now\then to be reading all these posts

every single day i have to go this with customers having to beg or play guessing game trying to get info to assist them to make proper choices b4 they buy d wrong stuff ..... :|
Lemme build it first.

So... Tentative.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2023, 2:25 pm

rollingstock wrote:
sMASH wrote:
rollingstock wrote:Some men version of lows eh so low eh lol

What's your intended tuning or what you looking for, just lows or a sub that will play all tones and loud but still dig down into the low 20's?

If the latter can't go wrong with a DD 815.
Aiming fur 25hz center, hoping I don't bottom out too much.


Well you have a lot of room for the enclosure, consider a 4th order for bandwidth and the sealed portion would help protect against bottoming out. Just know the limit of your sub careful of clipping, you won't be able to see the sub.
Considering the Dayton audio ultimax, I think sealed is 3cu (yuk), ported is 4cu, but fir 20hz it has 6 cu, and another design has 12 cu fur 17hz.


Even tho the enclosure getting bigger, with less resistance to hold back the cone, I want to think, just like with bare vids 6th order, the resonance tuning allows it to remain loaded, and not get over driven..




We will mad scientist this thing, and go slow with the volume knob.

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby rollingstock » January 28th, 2023, 2:35 pm

12cuft, what you using for an enclosure a 20ft container :lol:

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Re: Which sub fow lows?

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2023, 3:05 pm

rollingstock wrote:12cuft, what you using for an enclosure a 20ft container




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