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CARS - Proposed Rule Ammendments for 2007 onwards

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 11:06 am
by TREX
Guys (and Gals)
After discussions at last night Quarterly meeting, lets start with the proposed SCCA rules to be used as a reference.

Those can be down loaded here:

http://www.scca.org/Solo/Index.asp

The most recent revisions were completed in 2004/2005 and were issed as an addenum. A summary of these issues as as follows, please have a read and give us some feedback.

Tx

BM


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[color=blue]CARS SOLODEX 2004 SERIES - COMPETITION AND RULE CHANGE SUMMARY
1. CLASSES:
a. There will be five (5) classes in the SoloDex 2004 series. These are as follows - GS, HS, ES, ESP, and EP
2. CLASS DETERMINATION:
A competitor’s class will be determined using one, some or all of the following:
i. Actual measurements of weight and power using scales and HP measuring devices.
ii. Measurement of ¼ mile times using CARS / AutoSport’s timing equipment and / or a GTECH Pro device. The car must be in full SoloDex race trim including the use of race tyres, race modified ECUs, turbo boost etc.
iii. Manufacturers’ specifications of Power and Weight to determine Power/Weight ratio for the stock vehicle.
iv. Following is a guide to the classification of vehicles for 2003 competitions:
CLASS P/W Range Equivalent 1/4 Mile Times (secs)
GS ??+ 20.000+
HS 29.9-?? 18.500 to 19.999
ES 22-29.9 17.000 to 18.499
ESP 15-21.9 14.800 to 16.999
EP 11.5-14.9 under 14.799
EP <=11.5 14.000

Using Power to Weight ratios or ¼ mile times to approximate a car’s power are deemed to be sufficient for classing purposes. Even though these are primarily measures of engine performance, there is a reasonable assumption that a manufacturer will match engine performance with suspension modifications. As such, cars in a higher power trim level are expected to also have higher suspension trim levels than equivalent cars with lower power when purchased stock. Therefore, ¼ times can reflect both power and handling potential of a car.

3. ALLOWABLE MODIFICATIONS:
3.1 GENERAL
A. All Allowable modifications shall be permitted in all five classes GS, HS, ES, ESP, and EP.
B. Street Prepared vehicles may only be modified in excess of Stock Category rules in the following ways. Any modification not specifically authorized by the Stock Category or Street Prepared rules is prohibited. No unauthorized modifications are permitted in order to accommodate authorized modifications (i.e., non-stock hood scoops or holes necessary for carburetor clearance). Structural modifications, such as the addition of members known as "jacking rails", are not permitted unless specifically authorized herein.
C. Equipment and/or specifications may be exchanged between different years and models of a vehicle if the item is standard on the year/model from which it was taken.
D. Equipment and/or specifications may be exchanged between different years and models of a vehicle if the updated/backdated part or the part to which it is to be attached may not be altered, modified, machined or otherwise changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance.
E. The updating and/or backdating of engines, transmissions or transaxles must be done as a unit; component parts of these units may not be interchanged.
F. Alternate computer control modules may be used whenever an equivalent change to the conventional system is allowed. For example, alternate computer module control of ignition settings or fuel injection is allowed. Direct turbocharger boost control by alternate computer control is not, since there is no equivalent mechanical allowance.
G. Air conditioning systems may be removed in whole or in part.
H. Notwithstanding the aforementioned items, the final classification will be ultimately be determined by the vehicles Power to weight ration and/or its tested ¼ mile time as outlined in section 2.0.
3.2 SUSPENSION

3.2.1 All Classes

A. Any Steering wheel change
B. Any brake, accelerator and clutch pedal changes
C. Any strut tower bars, front and rear
D. Any lower tie bars, front and rear
E. Any anti-roll bar changes, front and rear
F. Changes in shocks and springs, excluding changes that require changed suspension mount points from stock. Add-on “coil-overâ€

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 2:40 pm
by pete
:shock:

ESP 14.8 to 16.999

that range kinda WIDE ya doh think?

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 4:49 pm
by TREX
Pete
This is the more recent classification including the SS class, which was inserted between EP and ESP.



CLASS P/W Range Estimated 1/4 Mile Times (secs)
GS 30+ 18.6+
HS 26-29.9 18 to 18.5
ES 22-25.9 17 to 17.9
ESP 15-21.9 15.5 to 16.9
SS 11.5-14.9 14-15.4
EP <=11.5 under 14

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 5:25 pm
by wagonrunner
trex.
HS is .5s difference
ES is .9s difference
ESP is 1.4s difference
SS is 1.4s difference
and EP is a blanket. for anything faster.

in my thinking, .5 - 1s differences are close enough, but anything wider than that gives a "too broad a performance gap".

granted the SCCA rules have been evolving for some time, but couldn't we narrow some of those divides?

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 6:31 pm
by smokey1275
interesting rules

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 10:21 pm
by MG Man
how u guys calculate power-to-weight again?

Posted: September 27th, 2006, 10:47 pm
by wagonrunner
MG Man wrote:how u guys calculate power-to-weight again?

drag racing times unfortunately.

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 12:08 am
by pete
Is there going to be a Solodrag event for this classification system or can I claim my 17.186 from last year again next year? I have done no modifications to increase my power.

and How about:

GS: 20+ seconds
HS: 18.0 - 19.999
ES: 16.5 - 17.999
ESP 14.8 - 16.499
EP under 14.8

*edit - Just read the last paragraph about the solo drag event.. my bad :oops:*

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 8:29 am
by MG Man
wagonrunner wrote:
MG Man wrote:how u guys calculate power-to-weight again?

drag racing times unfortunately.


why? we have a dyno here
but then is power determined at they flywheel or wheel? Is it to be an SAE or DIN figure? Weight in lbs or kgs?

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 8:31 am
by MG Man
if the proposed ESP class holds, it safe to say I won't be competeing next year....I agree with Pete on how wide that band is.............

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 10:35 am
by TREX
pete wrote:Is there going to be a Solodrag event for this classification system or can I claim my 17.186 from last year again next year? I have done no modifications to increase my power.

and How about:

GS: 20+ seconds
HS: 18.0 - 19.999
ES: 16.5 - 17.999
ESP 14.8 - 16.499
EP under 14.8

*edit - Just read the last paragraph about the solo drag event.. my bad :oops:*


Pete, U forgot SS to be inserted between ESP and EP, class for faster front drivers turbo etc.

Class P/W 1/4mile range
GS 30+ 18.6+
HS 26-29.9 18 to 18.5
ES 22-25.9 17 to 17.9
ESP 15-21.9 15.5 to 16.9
SS 11.5-14.9 14-15.4
EP =11.5 under 14

To get a better understanding look at the TYPES of CARS assigned to each class: See below, (I'll Scan and insert for U)

CARS SoloDex 2001 Car Classifications By Class Power Test Weight Weight/Power
CAR Bhp (US) (lbs) lbs/Bhp CLASS
199x Nissan 300ZX (3.0L) Turbo (12 psi) 437 4000 9.2 EP
1997 Subaru Impreza Sedan 2.0 Turbo 4wd Type RA 276 2773 10.0 EP
1997 Subaru Impreza Sedan 2.0 Turbo 4wd 276 2928 10.6 EP
199x Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 2.0L Turbo 4wd 280 2999 10.7 EP
1998 Mazda RX-7 Twin Turbo Type RZ/RB 261 2906 11.1 EP
19xx Rover Mini Cooper (All) EP
1994 Toyota Supra Turbo (3.0L) 320 3750 11.7 EPS
2000 Honda S2000 240 2959 12.3 EPS
1997 Mitsubishi Galant 4wd VR-4 (2.0L) Turbo 276 3413 12.4 EPS
1998 Honda Integra Type R Coupe 1.8L DOHC VTEC 197 2487 12.6 EPS
1997 Toyota Celica 2.0LTurbo GT FOUR 252 3214 12.8 EPS
1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R 276 3545 12.8 EPS
1995 Nissan Bluebird 4wd Turbo 13.0 EPS
1998 Honda Integra Type R Sedan 1.8L DOHC VTEC 197 2575 13.1 EPS
Porsche Boxter S 250 3270 13.1 EPS
1997 Honda Civic Type R - Race 182 2443 13.4 EPS
1997 Mitsubishi Galant 4wd VR-4 Type S (2.0L) Turbo 256 3501 13.7 EPS
1997 Honda Civic Type R - Road 182 2509 13.8 EPS
2001 Acura Integra Type R (US Market) 195 2750 14.1 EPS
2001 Renault Clio 172 2.0 Sport 172 2432 14.1 EPS
2002 Subaru Impreze WRX (US Market) 227 3235 14.3 EPS
1997 Mitusbishi FTO 2.0L Mivec V6 197 2818 14.3 EPS
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GSR 1.8L Turbo 202 2928 14.5 EPS
Audi TT Coupe Quattro 225 3270 14.5 EPS
1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo 2.0L 217 3170 14.6 EPS
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6L Coupe Mivec 173 2531 14.7 EPS
Porsche Boxter 201 2960 14.7 EPS
2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1.8L VVTLi 180 2672 14.8 EPS
1997 Nissan Fairlady Z 227 3391 14.9 EPS
198x Nissan 240Z EPS
2000 Nissan Almera 1.6 120 2652 22.1 ES
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer MX 1.5L DOHC 108 2399 22.1 ES
1999 Rover MGF 1.8i/1.8i Steptronic 120 2657 22.1 ES
199x Mazda MX-3 V6 (1.8L) 128 2860 22.3 ES
1997 Hyundai Tiburon (Coupe) (1.8L) 130 2969 22.8 ES
1998 Honda Civic Sedan EXi 1.5L SOHC (incl. CVT, 4WD) 104 2376 22.8 ES
199x Suzuki Baleno 1.6L Hatch 100 2300 23.0 ES
1996 Honda Civic Hatch EXi 1.5L SOHC 104 2399 23.1 ES
1994 Hyundai Elantra GLS (1.6L) 108 2500 23.1 ES
1993 Hyundai Scoupe Turbo (1.5L) 115 2670 23.2 ES
1998 Honda Civic Sedan Mi 1.5L SOHC 104 2443 23.5 ES
1997 Nissan Sentra 1.5L (DOHC),1.6L (SOHC) EFI 104 2443 23.6 ES
2001 Opel Vectra 1.8L 125 2954 23.6 ES
1993 Toyota Corolla DX (1.8L) 115 2760 24.0 ES
1999 Peugot 406 Sedan (2.0L) 139 3340 24.0 ES
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi 1.6L SOHC 99 2399 24.3 ES
1991 Toyota Corolla LE (1.6L) 104 2587 24.9 ES
2001 Opel Omega 2.2L 144 3582 24.9 ES
199x Nissane Sentra 1.5L 98 2443 24.9 ES
1995 Toyota Tercel (1.5L) 93 2350 25.3 ES
2000 Toyota Yaris 3 Door Hatch VVT-i1.3L 86 2178 25.4 ES
2001 Opel Astra 1.6L 100 2564 25.6 ES
1999 Jetta/Borla 1.6L ES
1999 Rover 216/25 ES
1999 Rover 416/45 1.6L ES
1999 Rover 600 Series ES
19xx Rover Mini NOC ES
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6L Sedan Mivec 173 2597 15.0 ESP
1997 Nissan Sentra SE-R 1.6L VVL 173 2597 15.0 ESP
1998 Honda Civic Hatch SiR 1.6L DOHC VTEC 168 2575 15.4 ESP
1998 Honda Civic Sedan SiR 1.6L DOHC VTEC 168 2641 15.8 ESP
1998 Honda Integra SiR (GSR) Coupe 1.8L DOHC VTEC 168 2641 15.8 ESP
199x Peugeot 205 1.9L GTi 130 2079 16.0 ESP
Audi TT Coupe 180 2890 16.1 ESP
1998 Honda Integra SiR-G (GSR) Sedan 1.8L DOHC VTEC 168 2729 16.3 ESP
1993 Toyota Supra (3.0L) 220 3600 16.4 ESP
2001 Mazda Miata 155 2537 16.4 ESP
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 200 3285 16.4 ESP
1990 Toyota MR2 Turbo (2.0L) 200 3290 16.5 ESP
199x Toyota Starlet Turbo 1.3L (2WD) 133 2215 16.6 ESP
1999 Peugeot 306 S16/GTi 6 (2.0L) 169 2840 16.8 ESP
2001 Toyota MR-2 Spyder 138 2345 17.0 ESP
Mercedes Benz SLK230 185 3175 17.2 ESP
1999 BMW 238i Sedan 193 3320 17.2 ESP
1986 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 180 3140 17.5 ESP
2001 Opel Vectra 2.6L V6 170 3031 17.8 ESP
1999 Peugeot 306 (4 door Sedan 1.8L - Turbo 6 psi) 138 2507 18.2 ESP
1999 Peugot 406 Coupe (3.0L V6) 196 3594 18.3 ESP
1997 Mazda Miata 128 2355 18.4 ESP
199x Suzuki Baleno 1.8L Hatch 122 2300 18.9 ESP
2001 Renault Megane IDE Coach 2.0L 140 2652 18.9 ESP
1999 Rover MGF 1.8i VVC 143 2710 19.0 ESP
2000 Toyota Celica (Base) 1.8L 138 2641 19.1 ESP
1994 Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0L EFI (PAY6421) 130 2500 19.23076923 ESP
1997 Mazda 323 1.6* DOHC (Familia) 133 2575 19.3 ESP
1998 Honda Civic Hatch VTi 1.5L SOHC VTEC 127 2465 19.4 ESP
2001 Nissan B15 Sentra SE (SR20DE) (US Market) 145 2824 19.5 ESP
1997 Mitsubishi Galant 2.0L 148 2884 19.5 ESP
1989 Suzuki Swift GTi 100 1950 19.5 ESP
199x Mitsubishi Lancer GSR 1.8L Turbo Stock Boost (Devi) 124 2450 19.8 ESP
1992 Mazda MX-6 LS (2.5L) 162 3210 19.8 ESP
1998 Honda Civic Sedan Vi 1.5L SOHC VTEC 127 2531 19.9 ESP
1998 Honda Civic Sedan VTi 1.5L SOHC VTEC 127 2531 19.9 ESP
Peugeot 106 S16 (1.6L) 120 2414 20.1 ESP
1989 Toyota MR2 Super Charged (1.6L) 145 2930 20.2 ESP
2000 Toyota Yaris 3 Door Hatch VVT-i1.5L 109 2222 20.4 ESP
1998 Nissan Primera 2.0L 148 3016 20.4 ESP
2001 Opel Vectra 2.2L 147 2998 20.4 ESP
1999 Volkswagen Golf 4 1.8T 150 3065 20.4 ESP
2001 Ford Focus ZX3 (US Market) 130 2701 20.8 ESP
1996 Honda Civic Coupe iSR 1.6L SOHC VTEC 127 2641 20.8 ESP
1999 Peugeot 306 XSi (4/5 door 2.0L) 136 2840 20.9 ESP
19xx Mazda 323 GT Turbo Sedan 1.6L/1.8L (2&4WD) 130 2830 21.7 ESP
Audi A4 150 3270 21.8 ESP
1995 Nissan Bluebird SSS 2.0L 138 3016 21.8 ESP
1999 Rover 218/25 VVC ESP
1991 Hyundai Scoupe (1.5L) 81 2429 30.0 GS
2000 Nissan Almera 1.3 87 2641 30.4 GS
1995 Nissan Bluebird SSS (Anson) 96 3016 31.4 GS
1992 Hyundai Excel GS (1.5L) 81 2600 32.1 GS
1994 Mitsubishi Lancer 1.5L Carburetted 63 2266 36.0 GS
Peugeot 106 XR/XN 60 2160 36.0 GS
199x Skoda Felicia 69 2500 36.2 GS
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GL 1.3L Caburetted 63 2355 37.3 GS
196x Rover MG T series, MGA,B,C/MGB-GT, Midget 64 2700 42.2 GS
198x Mitsubishi Galant 2.0L Carburetted 50 2575 51.5 GS
199x Toyota Corolla 1.5L ET=18.53 GS
1995 Hyundai Accent 150 26.0 HS
199x Nissan B11,B12, B13, B14 (Carburetted) 150 26.0 HS
198x Nissan Sunny 1500 (webber) PAW 6210 96 2500 26.0 HS
2000 Toyota Yaris 3 Door Hatch 1.3L 82 2134 26.1 HS
1997 Honda Civic 1.3L Manual 91 2377 26.1 HS
1989 Suzuki Swift GL 70 1880 26.9 HS
1996 Mazda 323, 323F (1.6L EFI) 102 2730 26.9 HS
1999 Peugeot 306 XT/SR (4/5 door 1.8L) 103 2782 27.0 HS
1993 Mazda 626 (2.0L) 116 3165 27.2 HS
1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GLX 1.5L Caburetted 87 2421 27.9 HS
198x Ford Laser 1.3L Carburetted 73 2046 28.0 HS
1992 Mazda 323 1.5L (Carburetted) 81 2310 28.6 HS
1999 Peugeot 206 XR/XT 1.6L 91 2608 28.7 HS
1999 Chevy Joy 1.4L 65 1900 29.2 HS
2001 Opel Vectra 1.6L 100 2932 29.3 HS
1999 Peugeot 306 XR/SR (4/5 door 1.6L) 90 2657 29.5 HS
1999 Rover 214/25 HS

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 10:41 am
by MG Man
trex, I assumin thats flywheel bhp

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 10:58 am
by pete
Trex, you had omitted it in your first post and it said there would be 5 classes. GS, HS, ES, ESP and EP.

So SS stays? cool.

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 11:28 am
by TREX
pete wrote:Trex, you had omitted it in your first post and it said there would be 5 classes. GS, HS, ES, ESP and EP.

So SS stays? cool.


Yes I did that was slack of me
Have a look at the types of cars in the various classes and u will get an idea of what we were trying to achieve.

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 12:38 pm
by MadCrix
hehe that means i in espp and i can use my r compounds

amir welcome to esp YO :twisted: :twisted:

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 12:43 pm
by TREX
MadCrix wrote:hehe that means i in espp and i can use my r compounds

amir welcome to esp YO :twisted: :twisted:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 12:46 pm
by Mini
tires & rims... shouldn't the tire/ wheel combo fit within the body work of the car?

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 3:04 pm
by TREX
Mini wrote:tires & rims... shouldn't the tire/ wheel combo fit within the body work of the car?


YES, the Rules should cover that, see the SCCA rule book, I believe that the rim width must be max 7.5" and must fit under the stock bodywork.

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 3:10 pm
by pete
aren't evo rims 8" wide? If they are, does that mean evos won't be allowed to compete with stock rims and will have to get 7.5" wide rims?

Posted: September 28th, 2006, 4:39 pm
by TREX
pete wrote:aren't evo rims 8" wide? If they are, does that mean evos won't be allowed to compete with stock rims and will have to get 7.5" wide rims?


The EVO is in the highest EP, in that class anything goes. if the rims are stock then no problem
BTW E6 - 7.5", E7 upwards - 8", same for the Sube Sti

Posted: August 27th, 2007, 12:01 pm
by eliteauto
bump for those wanting to learn... like me :mrgreen:

Posted: August 28th, 2007, 9:07 am
by Rudman
^^ So When U coming????..... :D

Posted: August 28th, 2007, 10:07 am
by eliteauto
looking at a potential dex car right now, next 2 weeks I will know if I'm buying it, then some lessons and I should be there from next year or if another BYCC comes up sooner :D never liked straight line driving I find you enjoy the car better in corners

Posted: August 29th, 2007, 6:37 pm
by kalongi
I did not see a class for the forrester and the airtrek , are they included not sure of the power to wieght ration though and clearnace for solodex is ideal becaus eof suspension tell what is d word ???????????