T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[nemisis]

And people will buy it. So we complain about the price, take 10 year loans and buy these mediocre cars for the same price of a premium luxury vehicle in the US.

That’s like 60k USD for an Impreza - that kind of money is a 7 seater SUV.

The govt taxes us hard - and govt defenders say thy can do that because we get subsidies for the gas. That excuse no longer has any merit.

I can rant on and on but the reality is it will continue and eventually my kids will be paying 1 million dollars for their generations Tiida.

I see the foreign used dealers bringing in the new grand Vitara fully loaded for less than the base model lifestyle has al though the warranty etc lifestyle giving is pretty good.

That 5 year’s warranty they giving kinda hard to beat lol. But as a person said higher up, you have to ask yourself what a warranty from the local dealer is worth to you.

[scotty_buttons]

y'all saw the new prices on the new Crosstrek 2.0L...??



The 2023 | 2024, All-New, Completely Redesigned Subaru Crosstrek 2.0L
Coming to Trinidad & Tobago in JUNE 2023
Four (4) Packages available:
Option 1
Crosstrek 2.0L Fabric - $389,000 (VI)
Option 2
Crosstrek 2.0L Fabric & EyeSight - $430,000 (VI)
Option 3
Crosstrek 2.0L Leather & EyeSight - $460,000 (VI)
Option 4
Crosstrek 2.0L Hybrid | Leather & EyeSight - $515,000 (VI)

Wtf Massy doing boy.

Them rel sickening

[scotty_buttons]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

[ProtonPowder]

Toyota Raize is basically an aqua on stilts

[drchaos]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

[zando]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

[j.o.e]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

500kms on a tank ? …. You set the bar real low there. Almost any modern car doing that, I mean regular ICE cars.

[Supra GT-FOUR]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

500kms on a tank ? …. You set the bar real low there. Almost any modern car doing that, I mean regular ICE cars.

500kms on a tank is missing crucial information such as tank size.
Km/L is the relevant metric

Aqua can get 700+km on 30L tank of fuel
As joe said above 500km should be easy for a regular vehicle with 40L fuel tank.
Aqua given 40L of fuel should get 933km.

[PariaMan]

Claimed is 17 km/L

40 litres should give 680

[Shalom Vanamson]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

If you desire you could wait on the the new Yaris Cross that came out this week should reach our shores by year end looks better IMO a bit like the Highlander in the front.

[dredman1]

Does the new Kia Sportage which S/Sales offers come with the dual 12.3” displays like you see in youtube reviews?

Or is it some kinda smaller lower end displays they bringing for us here.

Saw a couple of them parked in malls, cinema etc and the dashboard in them seem to suggest the large screens, but the bezels in them looked huge. Couldn’t tell for sure as they were obviously off.

Went in by them to check it but they all out of stock until prob end of June.

[drchaos]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.

so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.

Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.

[Kritical01]

The new 2023 Sportage GT which we are receiving do not have the larger digital screen. The audio unit/infotainment system looks very dated and even the instrument cluster isn’t the top trim digital cluster which is available in the top spec Tucson. The Sportage instrument panel is digital but a watered down version.

[Kritical01]

The new vezel with a full tank for super fuel will easily get 800+ kms.

[nick639v2]

The new vezel with a full tank for super fuel will easily get 800+ kms.

Vezel using super??? I thought was 95RON

Edit: Nvm I saw spec rated for ” 87+ with top tier detergent fuel where available “

[dredman1]

The new 2023 Sportage GT which we are receiving do not have the larger digital screen. The audio unit/infotainment system looks very dated and even the instrument cluster isn’t the top trim digital cluster which is available in the top spec Tucson. The Sportage instrument panel is digital but a watered down version.

Thanks. I figured so but was still hoping.

3rd world market FTL

[snypaz]

The new 2023 Sportage GT which we are receiving do not have the larger digital screen. The audio unit/infotainment system looks very dated and even the instrument cluster isn’t the top trim digital cluster which is available in the top spec Tucson. The Sportage instrument panel is digital but a watered down version.

One of the reasons I chose the Tucson.

[Kritical01]

The Tucson def has all the bells and whistles as compared to the Sportage GT. Maybe it could be that the new Sportage we are receiving locally isn’t being imported from Korea as previous models but are now being manufactured in Slovakia.

[dredman1]

Yes the Tucson may be better equipped than the Sportage, but the looks (the front and the side profile with all the creases) still haven’t grown on me.

The Sportage, although slightly smaller, looks much better in my opinion. Was hoping that since they were mechanically identical (drivetrain), they might have also been comparative feature-wise.

[scotty_buttons]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

If you desire you could wait on the the new Yaris Cross that came out this week should reach our shores by year end looks better IMO a bit like the Highlander in the front.

I saw this.
Agreed much much better looking

[scotty_buttons]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

500kms on a tank ? …. You set the bar real low there. Almost any modern car doing that, I mean regular ICE cars.

500kms on a tank is missing crucial information such as tank size.
Km/L is the relevant metric

Aqua can get 700+km on 30L tank of fuel
As joe said above 500km should be easy for a regular vehicle with 40L fuel tank.
Aqua given 40L of fuel should get 933km.

I guess it also dependent on traffic conditions as well. My 1000cc 2013 STi could easily cross 400kms and possibly reach 500kms with mostly highway drives and stay out of boost but hardly ever crosses 350km realistically on a full tank.
Although economy in the dash shows 13-14km/l

[scotty_buttons]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.

so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.

Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.

I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.

My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.

[Shalom Vanamson]

The Tucson def has all the bells and whistles as compared to the Sportage GT. Maybe it could be that the new Sportage we are receiving locally isn’t being imported from Korea as previous models but are now being manufactured in Slovakia.

Most Definitely the version we are getting locally. It would be a challenge to compare them as the Tucson we get locally is the LWB version which puts it very close in size to the Santa Fe and it does come pretty loaded with features. I was expecting us to get the LWB of the Sportage as well with the dual 12 inch screens. Jamaica gets it why cant we

[drchaos]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.

so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.

Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.

I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.

My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.

My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.

Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.

Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.

[scotty_buttons]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.

so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.

Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.

I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.

My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.

My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.

Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.

Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.

Ohh I thought the new vezel drivetrain is similar to the kicks. Where the engine is a generator and has no physical connection to the wheels. Unless you’re referring to the older model vezel. But I didn’t know about the dry clutch part. Although I won’t be in much traffic, I’ll probably stay away either way

[adnj]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.

so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.

Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.

I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.

My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.

My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.

Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.

Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.

This is wrong. Running your AC at maximum to prolong LiIon battery life is a myth.

Although LiIon batteries do have a desired operating temperature, that temperature maximum is typically 30 - 35°C. Considering that the hottest day ever recorded at Piarco was about 35°C, the problem that you face with battery temperature is while being parked or at start-up. LiIon batteries also degrade during high temperature storage.

During daytime storage, while parked in full sun, a sedan cabin can reach 50 - 75°C in the tropics. Cooling the mass of the battery after heat-soak takes quite a bit of thermal management and it is at that time that you are most likely to experience battery degradation.

Your best options for increasing battery life are therefore:
- parking in a structure
- tinting the cabin windows
- using a sunscreen
- allowing cabin airflow while parked

Relying on AC to cool your battery just after startup is not without its benefits but does little over the long run with respect to battery life.

[drchaos]

On another note,

Any new model Vezel owners here?

How’s the economy with the new Electric motor / Gas engine generator setup?

Much better than the outgoing vezel?

Any issues?

I’ve read and heard the yaris cross gets better economy than the new vezel too.
Only con with the Yaris cross is headroom is kinda cramped. I’m 5 8 and my head hits the headliner.

Looking for a small SUV for a long commute. Must be getting more than 500kms on a tank As economical as possible. Reliable. Easy resale as i don’t plan to keep it more than 3 years. 20% highway. 80% ‘B roads.’

Doesn’t have to be new. Can be local used as well.

And no, Aqua isn’t an option. Something a little more spacious.

Best friend has the new Vezel, should be way better than the outgoing model. The hybrid system is way better than the last gen which had a dual clutch set-up and had numerous recalls in Japan. This one just has a single gear transfer case.
He said gas mileage is amazing, Yaris cross will be better with fuel economy but a bit more limp.
Yaris cross should have better resale.

So the issues I heard about those vezels having were for the old models? The new ones better right? Them thing selling like sauce doubles yes.

Yes older models had transmission issues. New model is a totally new drivetrain design.
Below 80Km and the car is an EV with the engine charging the battery.
Over 80Km and the engine has direct connection with the wheels and drives the car via transfer case with no gears to change.

so very simple setup and has been used in other honda cars like the accord and fit earlier with little to no problems and now in the CRV and the Vezel.

Keep your AC very cold with the new hybrids since the batteries are air cooled and make sure the fan and vent system is getting cool air to the battery and they should last very long.

I thought the face lifted older vezels sorted their transmission issues. If not then I’ll void them.
I’m guessing the Nissan Kicks should be reliable as well cuz they use the same theoretical drivetrain.
Can’t seem to find any other cars that has similar engine/transmission setup.

My only concern is the battery lifetime as these smaller capacity batteries would be recharging and discharging more often than say a full electric car with a much larger battery and would result in decreased battery lifetime.

My advice is stay away from dry dual clutch transmission ... They tend to have software issues, not made for traffic constant stop and go, overheat. Bad tech even if the manufacturer has claimed to have "fixed" it.

Difference between the vezel and kicks is that vezel will use electric motors and low speed and highway speeds will use the engine to drive the wheels. Kicks will only use the electric motors all the time. So vezel is slightly more complicated drivetrain wise.
Vezel is also easier to service the batteries, meaning to clean out the fan/air filters and battery pack.
Kicks battery is located under the front seat and transmission shifter so plenty work to get at it.

Battery should not give you much trouble for 7-8 years. The battery charge is balanced between 30 to 70 % so very little ware and tear over the years. Just keep your AC cold cause the batteries are air cooled. Deep discharge cycles and heat is what destroys Li ion batteries.

This is wrong. Running your AC at maximum to prolong LiIon battery life is a myth.

Although LiIon batteries do have a desired operating temperature, that temperature maximum is typically 30 - 35°C. Considering that the hottest day ever recorded at Piarco was about 35°C, the problem that you face with battery temperature is while being parked or at start-up. LiIon batteries also degrade during high temperature storage.

During daytime storage, while parked in full sun, a sedan cabin can reach 50 - 75°C in the tropics. Cooling the mass of the battery after heat-soak takes quite a bit of thermal management and it is at that time that you are most likely to experience battery degradation.

Your best options for increasing battery life are therefore:
- parking in a structure
- tinting the cabin windows
- using a sunscreen
- allowing cabin airflow while parked

Relying on AC to cool your battery just after startup is not without its benefits but does little over the long run with respect to battery life.

Partially wrong ... Yes keep your car cool as well while its parked will prolong your battery.
But you are ignoring the fact that a Li ion battery that is currently being used i.e being discharged and recharged while the car is being driven produces heat. If that heat is not being dissipated you are aging your battery faster.

Keep your AC cool will move colder air to your battery via its air cooling system while it is generating heat from discharging and recharging while you are driving. Therefore keeping the battery in the said operating temperature.

My 6 year old has already figure out that Li ion batteries in our ipad heat up/produce heat while being charged/discharged.
Why havent you?

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Partially wrong ... Yes keep your car cool as well while its parked will prolong your battery.
But you are ignoring the fact that a Li ion battery that is currently being used i.e being discharged and recharged while the car is being driven produces heat. If that heat is not being dissipated you are aging your battery faster.

Keep your AC cool will move colder air to your battery via its air cooling system while it is generating heat from discharging and recharging while you are driving. Therefore keeping the battery in the said operating temperature.

My 6 year old has already figure out that Li ion batteries in our ipad heat up/produce heat while being charged/discharged.
Why havent you?

When you're driving along, your cabin interior gets how much warmer than 30°C? warmer than 35°C? How much heat do you people generate in a car that's moving?

Sweaty, hot and funky. Nice family.

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Are we saying here that the battery pack for a hybrid or electric vehicle depends on the cabin AC system for it's cooling? Are we also saying that there isn't a separate cooling system for the battery, inverter and other systems that uses coolant?

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Many of the H/EVs pull cabin air for battery thermal management to both heat and cool because the battery operating temperature is approximately room temperature.

Many battery packs have active (fans) and passive (heat pipes) elements along with ducting.

The constant airflow ventilation system constantly pulls fresh air into the cabin no matter what is done with the windows or HVAC controls, so the waste cabin air is often pushed to the battery system on its way out of the vehicle.

That said, there are many different designs for battery thermal management.