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We haven't started to talk about rack ends which is affected regardless of design. Basically the government wants us to buy trucks and vans. I don't care if you have a new RAV4 or some garbage Sportage, all can't take the kind of licks I seeing with these bad roads especially passing there repeatedly.......
The new Corolla is IRS from what I know, the new Sentra will also change from beam to IRS also, the Mazda 3 changed from IRS to beam like you said, not sure about the civic the Elantra is beam also unless you get an ' n line ' or ' N ' version which we don't get unfortunately Al though I don't think those N versions would sway me.agent007 wrote:In theory, pickups with the traditional leaf spring suspension to the back is better for load and bad roads. The Frontier LE (D23) comes with a 5 link setup with coil springs which improves ride quality but lessens the load capacity imo.
Cars and bad roads are unavoidable so the traditional Mc Pherson strut for the front and a rear torsion beam is better. It's a much simpler setup and shouldn't hurt the pocket when time to change suspension parts.
Cars with double wishbones and rear independent multi link is nice for sporty handling but has more parts to go bad in rough roads and therefore can escalate repair/replacement costs.
So examples of cars with simple Mc Pherson struts up front and torsion beams to the back are:
Most Corollas for the past 2 decades, B14, B15, B17, Y10, Y11, Y12, P10, P11, P12, A33, City, Ciaz, Swift, Accent, Rio, Cerato, Elantra, Cruze, 4th gen Mazda 3 etc.
The majority of Mazda 3's (2003 to 2019) as well as Lancers and Civics have an IRS design. Then we have the B12, B13, AE101, AE111 etc which had IRS back then. I would imagine these cars would be more costly to maintain suspension wise.
We haven't started to talk about rack ends which is affected regardless of design. Basically the government wants us to buy trucks and vans. I don't care if you have a new RAV4 or some garbage Sportage, all can't take the kind of licks I seeing with these bad roads especially passing there repeatedly.
In Couva, there's a stretch of road by the helipad known as Camden Rd. My good Lord it bad! I saw a Tiida dropped down its entire front subframe into a hole and dragged everything under it until the driver articulated back onto a better section. His front bumper got damaged and he cracked some clips not to mention the front shields got loose and started to drag onto the front wheels.
The more we subject our cars to this treachery, the car parts owners will win big time. Fortunately for Tiida man, Double R was a mere 3-4 minute drive away.
zando wrote:The new Corolla is IRS from what I know, the new Sentra will also change from beam to IRS also, the Mazda 3 changed from IRS to beam like you said, not sure about the civic the Elantra is beam also unless you get an ' n line ' or ' N ' version which we don't get unfortunately Al though I don't think those N versions would sway me.agent007 wrote:In theory, pickups with the traditional leaf spring suspension to the back is better for load and bad roads. The Frontier LE (D23) comes with a 5 link setup with coil springs which improves ride quality but lessens the load capacity imo.
Cars and bad roads are unavoidable so the traditional Mc Pherson strut for the front and a rear torsion beam is better. It's a much simpler setup and shouldn't hurt the pocket when time to change suspension parts.
Cars with double wishbones and rear independent multi link is nice for sporty handling but has more parts to go bad in rough roads and therefore can escalate repair/replacement costs.
So examples of cars with simple Mc Pherson struts up front and torsion beams to the back are:
Most Corollas for the past 2 decades, B14, B15, B17, Y10, Y11, Y12, P10, P11, P12, A33, City, Ciaz, Swift, Accent, Rio, Cerato, Elantra, Cruze, 4th gen Mazda 3 etc.
The majority of Mazda 3's (2003 to 2019) as well as Lancers and Civics have an IRS design. Then we have the B12, B13, AE101, AE111 etc which had IRS back then. I would imagine these cars would be more costly to maintain suspension wise.
We haven't started to talk about rack ends which is affected regardless of design. Basically the government wants us to buy trucks and vans. I don't care if you have a new RAV4 or some garbage Sportage, all can't take the kind of licks I seeing with these bad roads especially passing there repeatedly.
In Couva, there's a stretch of road by the helipad known as Camden Rd. My good Lord it bad! I saw a Tiida dropped down its entire front subframe into a hole and dragged everything under it until the driver articulated back onto a better section. His front bumper got damaged and he cracked some clips not to mention the front shields got loose and started to drag onto the front wheels.
The more we subject our cars to this treachery, the car parts owners will win big time. Fortunately for Tiida man, Double R was a mere 3-4 minute drive away.
It's so funny, I just carried my mother to Ferreira optical, we took some back roads to get there but on the way back we took O'Meara because it's more direct, but that road went down hill faaasstttt, especially when it rains can't see any pothole, thing with that road is that there's so much development going on there now that they will pave the road one day and then wasa or whoever will dig it up again the week after to run lines to another new mall or store etc that popping up and it will stay that way until it's ' patched ' which goes bad faster than a one day old doubles, so you end up with little potholes all over the place, this had me thinking just now everyone will need a pickup or some sort of AWD vehicle.
agent007 wrote:2022 Honda Civic now with standard turbo. It got a slight power upgrade too from 170 to 176hp and 220Nm to 240Nm peak torque.
Those numbers are almost equivalent to a Toyota 2.5 inline 4 NA engine.
Jetta TSI, Cruze turbo and to some extent Lancer GT owners, your upgrade has finally arrived (if you sticking to a car of course).20220105_074504.jpgFB_IMG_1641353089325.jpgFB_IMG_1641353091553.jpg
agent007 wrote:These are the most fully loaded versions available locally:
Corolla 1.8 Hybrid at $368k
Civic 1.5T at $329k
Impreza 1.6 at $270k
Elantra 1.6 at $265k
Mazda 3 1.5 at $241k
Cerato 1.6 at $218k
Sentra 1.6 at $210k
See why the Sentra and Cerato sells?
That is madnessss, for a 1.6 na Elantra? This world going maddddDizzy28 wrote:agent007 wrote:These are the most fully loaded versions available locally:
Corolla 1.8 Hybrid at $368k
Civic 1.5T at $329k
Impreza 1.6 at $270k
Elantra 1.6 at $265k
Mazda 3 1.5 at $241k
Cerato 1.6 at $218k
Sentra 1.6 at $210k
See why the Sentra and Cerato sells?
A Massy sales rep who uses social media a lot has posted the top end Elantra as being $275k this week (entry level at $205k). All those prices may not
Woah close to $400k! and more than likely that's the *introductory* starting price. Wonder what the price can be when it's optioned out.zando wrote:Kona EV incoming all, price hott too imagine how much this would have been with tax I do however, think this could and should be cheaper as that price in u.s. dollars is close to 60k and I'm very sure a Kona in the u.s isn't anywhere close to 60k.
Well I know imbert and them want to switch Trinidad's auto market to ev also, or hybrid? Anyway, I don't think this is the way to do it as the price of entry has to be low for people to adopt it.carluva wrote:Many countries around the world are pushing the EV and HV now. UK for example has a mandate to stop all sales of petrol and diesel engines by 2030 with a push for full EV by 2035.
How do you think that will line up in T&T?
Maybe 2040.
Point is, aside from being environmentally conscious, at that price of 395k, what's the impetus for a local buyer making the switch to HV?
For 395k, you are better off with a diesel van that will handle our roads, which has been tried and tested and which has good after purchase support. And still, that vehicle will serve the buyer for many years well before any HV or EV thrust locally.
Again, new vehicles have no price formula locally. Basically it's put out at an exorbitant price and as long as persons buy at the inflated price, a demand is created which further justifies the price and future increases. As I have said repeatedly, prospective buyers need to hold their hand and their cash and not part so willingly... That way prices could be adjusted down.
carluva wrote:Many countries around the world are pushing the EV and HV now. UK for example has a mandate to stop all sales of petrol and diesel engines by 2030 with a push for full EV by 2035.
How do you think that will line up in T&T?
Maybe 2040.
Point is, aside from being environmentally conscious, at that price of 395k, what's the impetus for a local buyer making the switch to HV?
For 395k, you are better off with a diesel van that will handle our roads, which has been tried and tested and which has good after purchase support. And still, that vehicle will serve the buyer for many years well before any HV or EV thrust locally.
Again, new vehicles have no price formula locally. Basically it's put out at an exorbitant price and as long as persons buy at the inflated price, a demand is created which further justifies the price and future increases. As I have said repeatedly, prospective buyers need to hold their hand and their cash and not part so willingly... That way prices could be adjusted down.
zando wrote:Well I know imbert and them want to switch Trinidad's auto market to ev also, or hybrid? Anyway, I don't think this is the way to do it as the price of entry has to be low for people to adopt it.carluva wrote:Many countries around the world are pushing the EV and HV now. UK for example has a mandate to stop all sales of petrol and diesel engines by 2030 with a push for full EV by 2035.
How do you think that will line up in T&T?
Maybe 2040.
Point is, aside from being environmentally conscious, at that price of 395k, what's the impetus for a local buyer making the switch to HV?
For 395k, you are better off with a diesel van that will handle our roads, which has been tried and tested and which has good after purchase support. And still, that vehicle will serve the buyer for many years well before any HV or EV thrust locally.
Again, new vehicles have no price formula locally. Basically it's put out at an exorbitant price and as long as persons buy at the inflated price, a demand is created which further justifies the price and future increases. As I have said repeatedly, prospective buyers need to hold their hand and their cash and not part so willingly... That way prices could be adjusted down.
We also need to required infrastructure, fast chargers etc, we need private companies, like malls, cinemas, work places, anywhere that is popular and people go for extended periods to invest in those chargers, if they charge to use it that's fine also, we also need proper home chargers which I hope they're selling with this ev, at least a level 2 charger and thry can recommend an electrician to do the work and have that included in the price, but I doubt they're thinking about all that, they just wanna buss price and go their way.
Joshie23 wrote:carluva wrote:Many countries around the world are pushing the EV and HV now. UK for example has a mandate to stop all sales of petrol and diesel engines by 2030 with a push for full EV by 2035.
How do you think that will line up in T&T?
Maybe 2040.
Point is, aside from being environmentally conscious, at that price of 395k, what's the impetus for a local buyer making the switch to HV?
For 395k, you are better off with a diesel van that will handle our roads, which has been tried and tested and which has good after purchase support. And still, that vehicle will serve the buyer for many years well before any HV or EV thrust locally.
Again, new vehicles have no price formula locally. Basically it's put out at an exorbitant price and as long as persons buy at the inflated price, a demand is created which further justifies the price and future increases. As I have said repeatedly, prospective buyers need to hold their hand and their cash and not part so willingly... That way prices could be adjusted down.
Well said bro, even though you gotta be careful with that last line...people might brand you a sufferer. There's some new money on these kinds of forums that believe in spend yuh money (no matter how ridiculous the price) 'if yuh ain't buying, yuh crying..'.
Then again (and I think it was mentioned higher up in the thread), most of our major dealers' have the State as a customer. Judging by the amount of branded Trailblazers, Rav-4s, Tucsons, D-Maxes, etc. that we see in parking lots of (insert whatever government agency here), I wonder how much of an effect us withholding our dineros would have on bottom line.
agent007 wrote:Maybe price wise it can be compared with the Rav and the crv but size wise it competes directly with a Vitara. In fact, a Toyota Raize for $200k is better value. Can someone save $195k in fuel over the typical loan period of 7 years by buying a Kona over a Raize?
As long as we have ICE options, I fail to see the value of an EV locally especially at those tax exempted prices. Maybe those owners don’t mind paying a premium to supposedly save the environment cause it cannot be that you want to save money by purchasing less fuel. You can save money by shopping for cheaper alternatives that gives the same if not better amenities and interior space as a Kona.
Edit:
The Kona will obviously be cheaper to maintain but what if you buy a $316k Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross which under the InOne package gives you either 2 - 3 years / 40 - 60k kms free service (depending on what is being marketed atm since I’ve seen both). The EC is cheaper by $79k and a portion of the loan period has free service.
See why I want a 2019 Leaf? I want to try this EV thing so I can test the waters at a $200k budget cause I tried 2 hybrids and both were disappointing and thus I sold them.
Garth wrote:@Pariaman...what is name of your friend's dealership with the Tesla?
PariaMan wrote:Right now I spend 1200 a month in diesel
I can keep my van use it for country
If I can save about 1000 a month in gasoline costs and 300 a month in lubrication cost. That will cut my monthly installment in about half
My only fear is maintenance of the tesla should something go wrong
I think that smart energy brings a technician from Miami but unsure if that will be good enough
So that's my consideration in terms of buying the Tesla model 3 used
carluva wrote:Government agencies will benefit from tax exemption.
So they can buy the vehicle sans VAT and Duties. Basically "cost price" plus markup.
John Public however foots the high bill. A markup on a cost price which is then compounded by Duties and then further compounded by VAT.
carluva wrote: And let's not forget the convenient reasons for the high price. Years ago, it was "new model" (despite the model being the same engine, chassis and body shape with a different headlight or grill, a facelift in actuality). Then came the "foreign exchange shortage". Now, it's "chip shortage". The real reason is greed by both sellers and selfish consumerism.
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