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The banks I feel in that collusion thing also, everyone along that chain has to make money somehow, from customs to the tint man to the banks, it's an entire automotive Kabal lol and we paying for it, out our arses.agent007 wrote:That's a tough one for me to say outright Aaron. What I think the price should be would never make sense when compared to vehicles that are subject to the taxes.
Eg. The B17 Sentra currently sold by Massy has a 1.6 engine and is priced at $200k for the grade with "leather" seats.
If the Ioniq EV fully loaded is similarly priced (which is ideally what I expect it to be come 1/1/22) then it renders all vehicles priced within that range useless.
With supposed forex woes affecting these conglomerates, it further means that for them to maximize profits, they might as well stop bringing in any non EV car (or any other vehicle that does not bring in a steady flow of profits) and focus on the Ioniq EV or vehicles that have ideal % profit margins**.
I believe they all collude in one way or the other so this can also affect Corolla, Mazda3, Cerato, Elantra and to some extent Yaris, Accent and Ciaz sales too.
As we would have seen previously, we the consumer will not enjoy the proportionate decrease in price as per 2016 into 2017 concessions on Hybrids. So, whilst I feel cars like the Leaf should sell for $200k fully loaded, this might just be wishful thinking.
In the unlikely event that I am wrong, then consider ourselves fortunate. I am eyeing those Leafs very carefully and just might pull the trigger on one if the price is right.
**remember, vehicles sales have slowed quite a lot. Dealerships may not be able to sell the numbers they used to but they can make it up by virtue of their profit margins per sale. The EV concession removal looks like a strategic attempt helped by the govt to make this happen for the dealers who wish to enjoy said concessions.
A172 wrote:min of finance have to amend the customs act to reflect what changes being made to the current one as well as any caps on battery/power.
asycuda then has to be updated to actually implement the exemptions to clear the vehicles whenever is time to
no new or used car dealer has this information and have to wait just like everybody else until customs ready
when budget read is jan/feb the next year changes take place and then ppl would now start to ship. This has been the way since ev/hybrid exemptions started in late 2016
lol@ all the uneducated bandwagonists cyakin abt how thing should already be on the way for jan and thinking all EV vehicles would be exempted
Someone needs to bring Dacia I would love a 4 wheel drive duster, in black, fully loaded .agent007 wrote:Garbage then and still garbage now. Would much rather an Indian built Kia Seltos with 2 airbags (which is another mediocre vehicle) than anything MG which is just a paper brand on rebadged Chinese vehicles.
Difference today is with the financial backing of the ccp, the marketing budget to catch gullible people across the world would be endless. Furthermore, they won't suffer supply issues like chip shortages etc so they just might be successful by default if there's hardly anything else available to buy.
Where the MG HS's design is concerned, if it looks like a Mazda then at least they know who to turn to for design copies cause Mazda is on a roll now for the past 10 or so years.
agent007 wrote:Garbage then and still garbage now. Would much rather an Indian built Kia Seltos with 2 airbags (which is another mediocre vehicle) than anything MG which is just a paper brand on rebadged Chinese vehicles.
Difference today is with the financial backing of the ccp, the marketing budget to catch gullible people across the world would be endless. Furthermore, they won't suffer supply issues like chip shortages etc so they just might be successful by default if there's hardly anything else available to buy.
Where the MG HS's design is concerned, if it looks like a Mazda then at least they know who to turn to for design copies cause Mazda is on a roll now for the past 10 or so years.
The Sanyong brand should be brought down here, would love to own a Rodiuszando wrote:Someone needs to bring Dacia I would love a 4 wheel drive duster, in black, fully loaded .agent007 wrote:Garbage then and still garbage now. Would much rather an Indian built Kia Seltos with 2 airbags (which is another mediocre vehicle) than anything MG which is just a paper brand on rebadged Chinese vehicles.
Difference today is with the financial backing of the ccp, the marketing budget to catch gullible people across the world would be endless. Furthermore, they won't suffer supply issues like chip shortages etc so they just might be successful by default if there's hardly anything else available to buy.
Where the MG HS's design is concerned, if it looks like a Mazda then at least they know who to turn to for design copies cause Mazda is on a roll now for the past 10 or so years.
I saw the brand is being sold, imo Hyundai should buy them so they can use the musso and split their own truck off that platform.david12 wrote:The Sanyong brand should be brought down here, would love to own a Rodiuszando wrote:Someone needs to bring Dacia I would love a 4 wheel drive duster, in black, fully loaded .agent007 wrote:Garbage then and still garbage now. Would much rather an Indian built Kia Seltos with 2 airbags (which is another mediocre vehicle) than anything MG which is just a paper brand on rebadged Chinese vehicles.
Difference today is with the financial backing of the ccp, the marketing budget to catch gullible people across the world would be endless. Furthermore, they won't suffer supply issues like chip shortages etc so they just might be successful by default if there's hardly anything else available to buy.
Where the MG HS's design is concerned, if it looks like a Mazda then at least they know who to turn to for design copies cause Mazda is on a roll now for the past 10 or so years.
agent007 wrote:SsangYong wasn't a bad brand per say. Their pickup was ahead of its time which had a 6AT transmission, coil springs, rear disc brakes and availsble sunroof. Only other pickup that came close with a sunroof option was the Sportero.
Also IIRC, their selling point was that they used a lot of Mercedes components and technologies in their vehicles. Would glad to see a return.
Younger folks may not remember this but T&T also had LADA products here too. If a dealer brings down the NIVA and the Mahindra Thar, vehicles like the Suzuki Jimny and Jeep Wrangler will get some serious competition.
kamakazi wrote:First gen was hideous though, and Mercedes technology means Mercedes costly parts.agent007 wrote:SsangYong wasn't a bad brand per say. Their pickup was ahead of its time which had a 6AT transmission, coil springs, rear disc brakes and availsble sunroof. Only other pickup that came close with a sunroof option was the Sportero.
Also IIRC, their selling point was that they used a lot of Mercedes components and technologies in their vehicles. Would glad to see a return.
Younger folks may not remember this but T&T also had LADA products here too. If a dealer brings down the NIVA and the Mahindra Thar, vehicles like the Suzuki Jimny and Jeep Wrangler will get some serious competition.
agent007 wrote:SsangYong wasn't a bad brand per say. Their pickup was ahead of its time which had a 6AT transmission, coil springs, rear disc brakes and availsble sunroof. Only other pickup that came close with a sunroof option was the Sportero.
Also IIRC, their selling point was that they used a lot of Mercedes components and technologies in their vehicles. Would glad to see a return.
Younger folks may not remember this but T&T also had LADA products here too. If a dealer brings down the NIVA and the Mahindra Thar, vehicles like the Suzuki Jimny and Jeep Wrangler will get some serious competition.
They get 7 year warranties in Australia and south Korea, not sure where else, but 7 years!!! Even if they bring them here and give us a 5 year warranty, I'm good with thatCapleton wrote:agent007 wrote:SsangYong wasn't a bad brand per say. Their pickup was ahead of its time which had a 6AT transmission, coil springs, rear disc brakes and availsble sunroof. Only other pickup that came close with a sunroof option was the Sportero.
Also IIRC, their selling point was that they used a lot of Mercedes components and technologies in their vehicles. Would glad to see a return.
Younger folks may not remember this but T&T also had LADA products here too. If a dealer brings down the NIVA and the Mahindra Thar, vehicles like the Suzuki Jimny and Jeep Wrangler will get some serious competition.
Ssangyong has made some nice vehicles in recent time. The new Musso, while not an a benchmark leader in its segment does offer a pretty solid platform and a great value proposition. I think Ssangyong on the whole would do well in T&T since Korean vehicles have been accepted here in a big way.
aaron17 wrote:So a vezel better?
greggle71 wrote:1.2 and 1.0 engines selling for almost 200k now. We really reach yes
ALady4ALady wrote:aaron17 wrote:So a vezel better?
Yes.
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