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[NOMOSS]

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Burnout with ford 2.0l stock cam ,Weber IDF's 44 X 2
Current Engine Nissan SR 20 ,I hate to say it but it kicks arse bigtime

Current Engine Nissan SR 20

NOMOSS, I still eh forgive allyuh fuh dat evilness allyuh wuk dey, eh...

How does the ess-arr's performance compare to the Pinto's?

[NOMOSS]

Burnout with ford 2.0l stock cam ,Weber IDF's 44 X 2
Current Engine Nissan SR 20 ,I hate to say it but it kicks arse bigtime[/quote]




How does the ess-arr's performance compare to the Pinto's?[/quote][/quote]

[NOMOSS]

Cammed Pinto ran waaay stronger and did not suffer from fuel and ignition limiter holding the car back

[NOMOSS]

Projects associated with NOMOSS



Burnout with ford 2.0l stock cam ,Weber IDF's 44 X 2
Current Engine Nissan SR 20 ,I hate to say it but it kicks arse bigtime

Current Engine Nissan SR 20

NOMOSS, I still eh forgive allyuh fuh dat evilness allyuh wuk dey, eh...

How does the ess-arr's performance compare to the Pinto's?

Modified NA pinto felt waay better ,Revved higher and did not suffer from a rev limiter

[king bob]

thxx spike and moss,
inspiration!! madness more like motivation to finally stop listening 2 freakin dotish ppl who do not appreciate history.
as i always say (correct me if i'm wrong) is cars like those, d hunters, d escourts, courtinas etc that inspire all the current cars we have now.

[NOMOSS]

ANYWAYS .....RESTO COMMENCING JAN 2012....STAY TUNNED....
















Yeah ...this car is an excellent candidate for a REAL engine..

[/quote]

[NOMOSS]

ANYWAYS .....RESTO COMMENCING JAN 2012....STAY TUNNED....















Yeah ...this car is an excellent candidate for a REAL engine..

That Morris gave me a hard-on that no amount of viagra could,man my tongue get hard

[NOMOSS]

The rice engine WAS NOT my idea

[NOMOSS]

thxx spike and moss,
inspiration!! madness more like motivation to finally stop listening 2 freakin dotish ppl who do not appreciate history.
as i always say (correct me if i'm wrong) is cars like those, d hunters, d escourts, courtinas etc that inspire all the current cars we have now.

You are quite right and you need skill and twoballs to drive old school.Rice make good daily drivers I'll give them that

[d spike]

thxx spike and moss,
inspiration!! madness more like motivation to finally stop listening 2 freakin dotish ppl who do not appreciate history.
as i always say (correct me if i'm wrong) is cars like those, d hunters, d escourts, courtinas etc that inspire all the current cars we have now.

You are quite right and you need skill and twoballs to drive old school.Rice make good daily drivers I'll give them that

Rice also ensures that mechanics an' de bamboo fellers can feed and clothe their children, drive Euro cars and put in a pool in the back yard...

[king bob]

all hail d mighty bamboo lol

[d spike]

Cammed Pinto ran waaay stronger and did not suffer from fuel and ignition limiter holding the car back

That answer sure seemed long in coming with all that multi-posting!!!!
What cam was that? I thought the blue ran a stock 2 litre with the IDFs and headers. The Pinto that was in the grey was positively evil, though...

thxx spike and moss,
inspiration!! madness more like motivation to finally stop listening 2 freakin dotish ppl who do not appreciate history.

It isn't just history, lad... it's financial acumen.
At least a Kent FR32 cam (that's Burton Power's designation) and the standard double-throat 32/36 carb, coupled with headers and a shaved head, is supposed to take a Pinto to 135bhp.
More head-work plus side-draughts and a hotter cam will take your hp into the 150s.
There are cams and bigger side-draughts (50s) that can have you looking past 180hp... even past 200hp, according to Burton - but somewhere along that line you need to ensure your bottom-end is bullet-proof (balanced/re-fitted con rods, all-steel bottom-end, etc.)

Shaving the head at a machine shop will cost less than taking a girl to the cinema at Movietowne. With a little patience, you can do the other work on the head yourself. Andy's in Dibe (or any good muffler guy with experience) can build a decent set of headers for you, once you walk with the specs (RS2000 exhaust manifold).The cam you will have to look for, or you can order it. Either way, you might not even want it when you start running your Pinto with the mods above.
(And then there's turboing the Pinto... but we'll leave that for another time...)

Compare this to a Primera (SR20Di) with 119hp, or an RB20E with approx. 130 hp, or the SR with 140-169hp. How much do these engines cost to acquire? and maintain? And how much do they weigh? These engines are bloody heavy, compared with the Pinto. Not only will power-to-weight ratio be affected, but the car's handling and balance. Remember, at some point you will have to stop. More weight, more momentum... more braking assistance required. bigger, better brakes = more money. Bigger rotors, calipers = more weight to tote around... more gas to burn to push a heavier vehicle... heavier vehicle = more stress and fatigue on moving parts and structural members...



It is a 2 litre Pinto you're getting, right? If it comes with a 1600 gearbox, don't be too upset... she can take the initial mods I mentioned in red. Just ensure that the flywheel is bolted onto the crank with the correct bolts. I have seen a good few Pintos with the automatic ring-gear bolts instead. (These cannot take major torque!!!) They are shorter, and you will know them by the heads - they have a dome set in the bolt head. The proper bolts have a flat head (some have a perfectly normal-looking head, another type has slots in the head, but both are FLAT).
If she comes with a single-throat Weber, leave that for now. The power at the low end is the same, more or less... it's the high-end where the double-throat comes into its own - but you will be learning the car/engine first, right? The 32/36 carb and its manifold can be acquired at the same source I told you about.

Cheers

Just for wildness, Youtube has videos of this, its build and dyno testing:

2.1 PINTO SOHC ,all steel 11.2-1 comp ratio,gts4 cam full rally spec big valve head,dry sumped,pinto,94mm forged pistons,yb length rods,48 dco/sp carbs, built by guy turner of burton power,tested by Steve Greenald of Race Engine Calibration. 197bhp @ flywheel 161 ft/lbs torque.

[king bob]

idk yeh, he just said call him friday, cus this week he's going to get a courtina. if not he has a 1600 engine and gb, but he said call him fri

[d spike]

idk yeh, he just said call him friday, cus this week he's going to get a courtina. if not he has a 1600 engine and gb, but he said call him fri

Okay then.
If you are told that it's a 2 litre, make sure that it's a 2 litre. Look at the side of the block:

Under the code you will either see 20 or 16. 20 is the 2 litre, 16 is the 1600cc.

Somehow, to drop in a 1600cc when you have the 1725cc, seems wrong. By the time you finish the car's body, you should have been able to get a 2 litre... or a hunter gearbox.
While the 1600cc can take mods, somehow, to add on 400cc before you even start modding (by using the 2 litre instead) seems a far better idea. Also, the 1600cc Pinto's valves can touch the top of the piston, so timing-belt failure = damaged valves.

[NOMOSS]

Cammed Pinto ran waaay stronger and did not suffer from fuel and ignition limiter holding the car back

That answer sure seemed long in coming with all that multi-posting!!!!
What cam was that? I thought the blue ran a stock 2 litre with the IDFs and headers. The Pinto that was in the grey was positively evil, though...

thxx spike and moss,
inspiration!! madness more like motivation to finally stop listening 2 freakin dotish ppl who do not appreciate history.

It isn't just history, lad... it's financial acumen.
At least a Kent FR32 cam (that's Burton Power's designation) and the standard double-throat 32/36 carb, coupled with headers and a shaved head, is supposed to take a Pinto to 135bhp.
More head-work plus side-draughts and a hotter cam will take your hp into the 150s.
There are cams and bigger side-draughts (50s) that can have you looking past 180hp... even past 200hp, according to Burton - but somewhere along that line you need to ensure your bottom-end is bullet-proof (balanced/re-fitted con rods, all-steel bottom-end, etc.)

Shaving the head at a machine shop will cost less than taking a girl to the cinema at Movietowne. With a little patience, you can do the other work on the head yourself. Andy's in Dibe (or any good muffler guy with experience) can build a decent set of headers for you, once you walk with the specs (RS2000 exhaust manifold).The cam you will have to look for, or you can order it. Either way, you might not even want it when you start running your Pinto with the mods above.
(And then there's turboing the Pinto... but we'll leave that for another time...)

Compare this to a Primera (SR20Di) with 119hp, or an RB20E with approx. 130 hp, or the SR with 140-169hp. How much do these engines cost to acquire? and maintain? And how much do they weigh? These engines are bloody heavy, compared with the Pinto. Not only will power-to-weight ratio be affected, but the car's handling and balance. Remember, at some point you will have to stop. More weight, more momentum... more braking assistance required. bigger, better brakes = more money. Bigger rotors, calipers = more weight to tote around... more gas to burn to push a heavier vehicle... heavier vehicle = more stress and fatigue on moving parts and structural members...



It is a 2 litre Pinto you're getting, right? If it comes with a 1600 gearbox, don't be too upset... she can take the initial mods I mentioned in red. Just ensure that the flywheel is bolted onto the crank with the correct bolts. I have seen a good few Pintos with the automatic ring-gear bolts instead. (These cannot take major torque!!!) They are shorter, and you will know them by the heads - they have a dome set in the bolt head. The proper bolts have a flat head (some have a perfectly normal-looking head, another type has slots in the head, but both are FLAT).
If she comes with a single-throat Weber, leave that for now. The power at the low end is the same, more or less... it's the high-end where the double-throat comes into its own - but you will be learning the car/engine first, right? The 32/36 carb and its manifold can be acquired at the same source I told you about.

Cheers

Just for wildness, Youtube has videos of this, its build and dyno testing:

2.1 PINTO SOHC ,all steel 11.2-1 comp ratio,gts4 cam full rally spec big valve head,dry sumped,pinto,94mm forged pistons,yb length rods,48 dco/sp carbs, built by guy turner of burton power,tested by Steve Greenald of Race Engine Calibration. 197bhp @ flywheel 161 ft/lbs torque.

Hey listen to that man he knows how to make a pinto flywheel shear its bolts and part company with its crankshaft.He's that good.The blue hunter had a stock cam,Its twin ,the grey ,had a Kent rl32 with 45mm/38mm in/ex valves ,headwork and a pair of 45 webbers.It ran 14.2s on the quarter mile.

[NOMOSS]

Cammed Pinto ran waaay stronger and did not suffer from fuel and ignition limiter holding the car back

That answer sure seemed long in coming with all that multi-posting!!!!
What cam was that? I thought the blue ran a stock 2 litre with the IDFs and headers. The Pinto that was in the grey was positively evil, though...

thxx spike and moss,
inspiration!! madness more like motivation to finally stop listening 2 freakin dotish ppl who do not appreciate history.

It isn't just history, lad... it's financial acumen.
At least a Kent FR32 cam (that's Burton Power's designation) and the standard double-throat 32/36 carb, coupled with headers and a shaved head, is supposed to take a Pinto to 135bhp.
More head-work plus side-draughts and a hotter cam will take your hp into the 150s.
There are cams and bigger side-draughts (50s) that can have you looking past 180hp... even past 200hp, according to Burton - but somewhere along that line you need to ensure your bottom-end is bullet-proof (balanced/re-fitted con rods, all-steel bottom-end, etc.)

Shaving the head at a machine shop will cost less than taking a girl to the cinema at Movietowne. With a little patience, you can do the other work on the head yourself. Andy's in Dibe (or any good muffler guy with experience) can build a decent set of headers for you, once you walk with the specs (RS2000 exhaust manifold).The cam you will have to look for, or you can order it. Either way, you might not even want it when you start running your Pinto with the mods above.
(And then there's turboing the Pinto... but we'll leave that for another time...)

Compare this to a Primera (SR20Di) with 119hp, or an RB20E with approx. 130 hp, or the SR with 140-169hp. How much do these engines cost to acquire? and maintain? And how much do they weigh? These engines are bloody heavy, compared with the Pinto. Not only will power-to-weight ratio be affected, but the car's handling and balance. Remember, at some point you will have to stop. More weight, more momentum... more braking assistance required. bigger, better brakes = more money. Bigger rotors, calipers = more weight to tote around... more gas to burn to push a heavier vehicle... heavier vehicle = more stress and fatigue on moving parts and structural members...



It is a 2 litre Pinto you're getting, right? If it comes with a 1600 gearbox, don't be too upset... she can take the initial mods I mentioned in red. Just ensure that the flywheel is bolted onto the crank with the correct bolts. I have seen a good few Pintos with the automatic ring-gear bolts instead. (These cannot take major torque!!!) They are shorter, and you will know them by the heads - they have a dome set in the bolt head. The proper bolts have a flat head (some have a perfectly normal-looking head, another type has slots in the head, but both are FLAT).
If she comes with a single-throat Weber, leave that for now. The power at the low end is the same, more or less... it's the high-end where the double-throat comes into its own - but you will be learning the car/engine first, right? The 32/36 carb and its manifold can be acquired at the same source I told you about.

Cheers

Just for wildness, Youtube has videos of this, its build and dyno testing:

2.1 PINTO SOHC ,all steel 11.2-1 comp ratio,gts4 cam full rally spec big valve head,dry sumped,pinto,94mm forged pistons,yb length rods,48 dco/sp carbs, built by guy turner of burton power,tested by Steve Greenald of Race Engine Calibration. 197bhp @ flywheel 161 ft/lbs torque.

Hey listen to that man he knows how to make a pinto flywheel shear its bolts and part company with its crankshaft.He's that good.The blue hunter had a stock cam,Its twin ,the grey ,had a Kent rl32 with 45mm/38mm in/ex valves ,headwork and a pair of 45 webbers.It ran 14.2s on the quarter mile.

Check out this vid http://youtu.be/d01VBR5nKPw it a mk2 escort with a 2.0 pinto bored out to 2.3L with a WARRIOR twin cam head .The driver is Simon Mckinley
nd this black escort is a cosworth yb (2.9 pinto with a dohc head) http://youtu.be/YUyV2seaHcI

[king bob]

dem escorts madddd.
this is how d bob spent the afternoon kids

[nigie]

hummmm did D BOB find time to go look for a real engine....a ford 302......or a chev 305/350...a mopar even?

[NOMOSS]

hummmm did D BOB find time to go look for a real engine....a ford 302......or a chev 305/350...a mopar even?

Don't screw your sub frame and suspension with the weight of a v8 ,you don't need all that weight to get that hunter moving, a modified 2.0 l pinto will get that car into 14 s on the quarter mile ,we talking 180 - 200 b hp and you don't have to cut your car and weaken anything,or if you want more horsepower there are a host of Japanese turbos that will fit under that bonnet without cutting up your car.Remember when you cut that is forever.I don't advocate chopping a street car to fit an engine,if you retiring the car to the tracks that's a different story.Im not against v8 but one needs to be realistic ,hunter ball joints and struts wont take the punishment from the weight of a v8 for too long. By the way that car you have in excellent shape I hope it not sleeping outdoors?

[NOMOSS]

dem escorts madddd.
this is how d bob spent the afternoon kids

Great car ,we have some serious hunter men in our circles give us a buzz we will you some pointers.Free tech advice can save you a lot of dollars-and if you are handy with tools and can weld of have a friend who can and you have some (a lot ) patience then you can make that car show quality or close to it all by yourself,all you have to do is get someone to paint it .A word of advice dont let anyone hustle your project.Your car looking real wholesome and it wont take a lot to get it going.

[nigie]

Hummm as I was saying b4 i was rudely interupted....did Bob spend any part of the evening looking for a 2.8 V6.......

[d spike]

Hummm as I was saying b4 i was rudely interupted....did Bob spend any part of the evening looking for a 2.8 V6.......

Speaking of looking for parts... Nigie, any idea where I can get those cylinder heads for the Ford 302?

[nigie]

Yes Yes....im looking spike...

[king bob]

ppl when d bob took off d flaking tar off d fire wall it was still new O_O i was like sooo amazed d fwall looked like it just rolled out d factory

[king bob]

hummmm did D BOB find time to go look for a real engine....a ford 302......or a chev 305/350...a mopar even?

Don't screw your sub frame and suspension with the weight of a v8 ,you don't need all that weight to get that hunter moving, a modified 2.0 l pinto will get that car into 14 s on the quarter mile ,we talking 180 - 200 b hp and you don't have to cut your car and weaken anything,or if you want more horsepower there are a host of Japanese turbos that will fit under that bonnet without cutting up your car.Remember when you cut that is forever.I don't advocate chopping a street car to fit an engine,if you retiring the car to the tracks that's a different story.Im not against v8 but one needs to be realistic ,hunter ball joints and struts wont take the punishment from the weight of a v8 for too long. By the way that car you have in excellent shape I hope it not sleeping outdoors?

sadly though she is outside cus myu garage really really small and tight on everything. bt none the less i patchin dis week so she eh gettin much weather

[king bob]

hummmm did D BOB find time to go look for a real engine....a ford 302......or a chev 305/350...a mopar even?

nope, i saw d price online 4 one of those and d bob pocket small.
and many many ppl advised me against touchin d fire wall
so sry,
is eventually i want 2 give her a life on d track then that's a mini of a different color

[d spike]

Yes Yes....im looking spike...

EXCELLENT!!!!!
We shall redouble our efforts to locate a 2000 Ford box on your behalf...

However, no joy so far.
As I had told Kingbob, one can use the 1600 box, provided one is running a basically stock build. (NOMOSS, correct me if I am wrong there.)
If you really want something more bullet-proof, there is a Borg-Warner box that bolts up (Fireman in Calcutta had a 4-speed one moons ago and I am SURE it is still there) and a really neat and bullet-proof set-up is a Mazda 5-speed box that has a bell-housing which fits the Pinto (the trick is to find the bell-housing!).

is eventually i want 2 give her a life on d track then that's a mini of a different color

That Pinto will surprise you... you can modify it to surprise quite a few others! No need to switch engines after that. Personally, extractors/headers and head-work alone will do to your passenger what ex-lax takes half an hour to do...
The best part is after whipping a jappo, when they pop your bonnet, they become aware that their fancy expensive whizz-bang of recycled soda-pop tins and plastic was decimated by some ancient lump that pre-dates their parents' sexual awareness... You then complete the humiliation by telling them how much it cost...

...And if they whip you, what are they going to say? Are they going to brag that they beat a 40 year-old car? that runs on yesteryear technology?
No matter what happens, the fact that you are still competitive, still considered a threat, there is where the satisfaction lies.

[king bob]

rotflol.

[king bob]

hey peeps anyone want d engine and tranny?? (need wrk) mom bitchin 2 move it b4xmas

[nigie]

That Pinto will surprise you... you can modify it to surprise quite a few others! No need to switch engines after that. Personally, extractors/headers and head-work alone will do to your passenger what ex-lax takes half an hour to do...
The best part is after whipping a jappo, when they pop your bonnet, they become aware that their fancy expensive whizz-bang of recycled soda-pop tins and plastic was decimated by some ancient lump that pre-dates their parents' sexual awareness... You then complete the humiliation by telling them how much it cost...

...And if they whip you, what are they going to say? Are they going to brag that they beat a 40 year-old car? that runs on yesteryear technology?
No matter what happens, the fact that you are still competitive, still considered a threat, there is where the satisfaction lies.[/quote]

Spike u starting 2 frighten me now...take care u aint over raise Bob expectations....as biased as everbody know me be....those jappo engines producing power galore ...they only falling down in longevity and because plenty tuners dont have they act 2 gether....and the good ones overdoing it with stretching the stock block and internals...yes i reluctantly admit ...a properly tuned sr20 is a far superior candidate than a 2000 ford...
WHATTT did i just say that ...was that me...