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Postby ralliartvr47 » May 29th, 2010, 2:03 pm

ok i couldnt find it so i called my mechanic and he told me dat he took it out already but he cant remember if its metal or plastic. i will jus now i goin up by him in a lil while

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 1st, 2010, 11:43 pm

hey banzai i found out today dat d ecu is plastic.i hope thas a gud ting...lol

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anyone have a temperature sensor for sale?

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Postby scientist » June 3rd, 2010, 11:11 pm

ralliartvr47 wrote:hey banzai i found out today dat d ecu is plastic.i hope thas a gud ting...lol

Great thing...its flashable

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 3rd, 2010, 11:59 pm

really!!! u jus made my day...lol thanks so much for d info guys, cant wait for d car. scientist, banzai...allyuh is boss.

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Postby xtech » June 4th, 2010, 3:33 am

why this in the car park an not in the mitsu forums

guy who brought my VR4 motor took it to Antigua an installed it into a FTO with a MIVEC Lancer 2WD box........................ told him the box will not last long he said nah the FTO lite lite mon.... wheel spin in all gears an even while he was driving it without boost

great build and conversion to single turbo too..... :D Currently looking for a V6 MIVEC 2WD box

http://www.antiguastreetz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2579

I see Scientist already posted in the man tread about flashing his ECU instead of running the Haltec

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WHICH VR4 DO YOU DRIVE?

Over the 6 years of 8th Generation VR-4 production the primary mechanicals stayed the same, the drivetrain, including engine, gearbox and brakes were constant however the specifications and options were changed over time, with the primary upgrade occurring in August 1998

August 1996 to July1998 (prefacelift):
There were two main models available with 2 limited run special editions. All prefacelift VR-4’s have AYC along with the High Vis dash. Almost all options such as sunroof/moonroof, colours, tan leather or fabric, cold or warm spec and side airbags were available on standard models, with the exception of the COTY and Super VR-4’s.

The various models and their differences are listed below:
VR-4
This was the manual version with 206kw at 5500rpm and 363nm at 4000rpm. An AYC differential was fitted at the rear but there was no option for stability or traction control. Standard equipment from factory included multispoke BBS forged wheels although these were often changed for the standard 5 spoke Enkei wheels. Both designs were 16x6”, 46mm offset and came with 205/55/16 tyres. The BBS wheels are 1.5kg lighter than the Enkei wheels. The standard interior was a dark grey fabric with various highlight colours woven into the main grey and black colours. The steering wheel was the standard 4 spoke design. Original price in Japan was 2,980,000 Yen for Galants and 3,060,000 Yen for Legnums.

VR-4 Type S
Only available with an automatic gearbox and included stability control (ASC) that cannot be switched off and traction control (TCL). The TCL turns itself on with the car but can be turned off via a switch on the dashboard. The ASC can apply the brakes individually to help bring the car back in line with its intended direction by using G-sensors, Steering wheel angle sensor and Wheel speed sensors. The TCL simply limits engine power by closing the throttle and in turn limiting the power output. When either system is functioning a ‘skidding car’ icon lights up on the dash board and flashes. Again, all prefacelift VR-4’s came with the AYC diff including the Type S. The standard interior trim and steering wheel were the same as the manual cars. To help protect the automatic gearbox the engine was slightly detuned by setting it to run at a lower turbo boost setting of approximately 7psi, 0.48 bar whereas the manual version was set to approx 8psi, 0.54 bar. This resulted in the car being rated at 191kw and 343nm, still at the same engine speeds as the peak outputs in the manual cars. The engine is identical and an increase in boost via an aftermarket boost controller will ‘fix’ the power output. Due to the gearbox the Type S is 40kg heavier than the standard VR-4. Original price 3,094,000 Yen for Galants and 3,174,000 Yen for Legnums
A very minor update occured on September 11 1997 when the handbrake lever became leather trimmed rather than the entry level plastic.

First Special Edition – COTY model – beginning to middle of 1997
The entire 8th Generation Galant and Legnum range won the Japanese Car Of The Year award for 1996-1997. Mitsubishi created a special edition to celebrate this victory. The COTY VR-4 model was only available in Legnum form, and with only one specification. There was also a 1.8 GDI Galant COTY model released. All were VR-4 Type S’s with the intent of showing off all of the technology available in the range, coming standard with AYC, ASC and TCL. The only interior option was black leather with matching door trims. They were the only VR-4’s ever to come with black leather interior, other models were only available with tan leather. The steering wheel was the standard wood and leather combination that came on the tan leather cars. The exterior colour scheme was limited to Pearl White, paint code W75. Few prefacelift VR-4’s were optioned with this colour code, most came with solid white, this same Pearl colour became the standard white on facelift VR-4’s. The other exterior features unique to the COTY models were two badges on the D pillars with COTY writing on them, and the stock 5 spoke wheels came in a polished finish with dark edging. None were available with the moonroof optional on other VR-4’s, or the MMCS system. These were still tuned to 191kw, 343nm. Original price was 3,214,000 Yen

Second Special Edition – Super VR-4 – end of 97 to start of 98. All registerrd in 1998
These were a limited run of approximately 400 VR-4’s. They were only available in two colours, Redma, a bright red and Hamilton Silver. Both these colours were standard prefacelift colours. The Super VR-4’s were all Type S’s and as such were rated at 191kw, 343nm. There are a number of exterior and interior features unique to the Super VR-4 which make spotting them very easy. For the interior they were the only prefacelifts to come standard with Recaro seats for the driver and front passenger as well as the 3 spoke Momo steering wheel that was standard on some FTO models and Evolution 4 through 6. These would become options for the facelift models. The door cards and rear seats were black with a red fleck pattern on them to match the Recaro seats. The exact same colours were standard on early Facelifts. The gear shift cover plate was coloured silver, this became standard on facelifts too. Lastly the centre console came in a yellow/grey carbon fibre imitation weave, all other prefacelifts had a plastic wood grain centre console. The completely unique features to the interior were the red floor carpet with matching red and black floor mats, red leather on the gear stick and hand brake lever and finally the numbering on the Tachometer and Speedometer had a purple ring around their arc. Externally the chassis was the same but there was a new body kit consisting of Canards on the front bumper, much larger side skirts and rear skirt. All of these parts were black in colour, contrasting with the primary body colour. The rear wing on Legnum Super VR-4’s was body coloured and stood up in the airflow above the roofline it also had a separate section underneath making it a bi-plane wing. The Galant Super VR-4’s came with a large wing resembling the wing on Evolution 5’s. The sides and base of the Galant wing were body coloured but the large centre section and middle divider were black. Legnum Super VR-4’s have the centre section of the tailgate where Legnum is written in silver (the brochures refer to it as Titanium). The inside of the headlights were body coloured on both Red and Silver Super VR-4’s. Lastly the tip of the exhaust was changed to a circular tip with the Ralliart emblem on it. No Super was available with a moonroof or sunroof (Legnum and Galant respectively), or MMCS. The Supers all came with the standard Enkei 5 spoke wheels. Original price was 3,394,000 Yen

August 1998 to April 2000 (facelift)
VR-4 models became more complicated with the August 1998 Facelift, there were now VR-4’s available with and without AYC. The ASC and TCL system was now optional on Auto VR-4’s, it was a rare option though. New options were available, the Momo Steering wheel and Recaro seats from the Super VR-4 could be optioned on all models, while the tan leather option was still available. The centre console was the yellow/grey carbon fibre imitation weave from Super VR-4’s as well. The cars with tan leather still had the woodgrain centre console. The standard seats were the same as before but wore the black and red fleck coloured fabric from Super VR-4’s. All facelift automatics have 206kw and 363nm just like the manual VR-4’s. Stock facelifts tend to run slightly higher boost than prefacelifts, at around 9psi, 0.6 bar even though they are rated at the same power and torque figures. The small increase in boost is only apparent in the middle of the rpm range increasing torque. By 5000rpm the boost has dropped down to the same level as prefacelifts. The overall difference is small and would only result in 10nm or less increase in torque. New colours were introduced, including a very dark blue called Indigo Blue and medium burgundy colour called Roanne Red. Mechanical changes were few, the primary point of difference is that Brembo brakes from an Evolution 5-9 will bolt straight onto the facelift cars. The MMCS system was also updated to a widescreen 16:9 version over the 4:3 version on prefacelifts. Legnum VR-4’s were the only ones to undergo structural sheetmetal changes, the tailgate was modified along with the rear bumper to moderise the appearance of the car. The body kit on facelifts was updated too with new front and rear bumpers, side skirts, grill and the bonnet bulge was made substantially larger.

Galants:

VR-4 Type V
The Galant VR-4 Type V was available with both automatic and manual gearbox options. The primary difference between a Type V facelift and a prefacelift VR-4 was that AYC had been dropped for a standard open differential at the rear. The dashboard style had also been changed to a standard style of dash that was on normal non turbo 8th Gen Galants and Legnums, the other interior change was that the auto gear shift cover plate was black, the same as prefacelifts. The wheels were the standard 5 spoke carried over from prefacelifts. These were the lightest of all VR-4’s, with the manual weighing in at 1460kg and the automatic at 1500kg. The rear wing remained the same from prefacelifts. The manual version was 2,643,000 Yen and the automatic was 2,767,000 Yen

VR-4 Type S
The Type S was still available with AYC as standard equipment however ASC and TCL were now options. Galant VR-4 Type S’s were only available with automatic gearboxes. It is not possible to buy a facelift manual Galant with AYC. The Type S model had the same front bumper, side skirts and rear bumper as the Type V, the only external differences were the addition of wheel arch flares and slightly wider 16x6.5” 38mm offset Enkei wheels which wore 225/50/16 tyres. Internally they had the same High Vis dash as the prefacelifts but strangely the indicator lights for AYC operation were made slightly smaller. The auto gear shift cover plate was silver, like on Super VR-4’s. The price was 2,981,000 Yen.

Legnums:

VR-4 Type V
The Legnum VR-4 Type V was only available in automatic form. Specification wise it was largely the same as the Galant Type V with the same dashboard style, open rear diff without AYC, and the same wheels. Curiously the Legnum Type V was the only VR-4 to ever ship without a standard rear spoiler, externally looking similar to a non turbo Legnum. The price was 2,850,000 Yen

VR-4 Type S
Again, largely similar to the facelift Galant Type S. From August 1998 it was also only available in automatic form, but in May 1999 a manual Type S became available. Because there are no Type V manual Legnum VR-4’s, all manual facelift Legnums are Type S’s. The Legnum Type S has the same wheel arches and front as the Galant Type S but has its own rear wing unique to facelift Legnums. The automatic was 3,099,000 Yen and when the manual was introduced in 1999 it was 2,975,000 Yen.


May 2000 to August 2002 (minor update)
This update was across the board for all VR-4’s. The interior trim pattern changed to a softer grey fabric on the standard seats and the Recaro option, resembling Suede on the door cards and on the Recaro seats. The Momo steering wheel which had carried red sections on the side since its introduction became black all around. The Type V Galants and Legnums now came with the High Vis dash and their wheels changed to the polished style of stock wheels that were on the COTY VR-4’s. The Tan leather option was still available and still came with the wood centre console and steering wheel, while the cars with standard seats or Recaros now came with a Grey centre console. The pricing changed slightly, the Type V’s went up 30,000 Yen, while the Type S models stayed at the same price.
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Postby scientist » June 6th, 2010, 10:07 am

I'm jus trying to get the man to concentrate on other areas before dumping the money into the haltec setup

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 6th, 2010, 6:27 pm

well im not in a hurry to do much modifications on d car yet.hadda build back some money and make sure d car wukin good first. also d front cut i bought already had a thicker gold colour stabilizer bar, another blue fancy kinda stabilizer dat holds d whole sub frame, braided brake lines in d front and tein shock and spring(not d adjustable kind). so i really happy wit wat i have...d only thing i lackin is d AYC but i cud do without dat.

wen i get d car back i will be sure to post some pics.

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 7th, 2010, 8:46 pm

can d valve springs, injectors and cam gears frm d 4G63T work in d 6A13TT

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Postby mitsu4life » June 8th, 2010, 11:03 am

ralliartvr47 wrote:can d valve springs, injectors and cam gears frm d 4G63T work in d 6A13TT

the injectors can work, i doubt the cam gears will work 4G63T cam gears are HUGE.

you can check http://www.rpw.com.au/ they have lots of stuff for the vr-4.....shipping costs however :shock:

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 8th, 2010, 11:39 am

ok kool thanks bro

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 10th, 2010, 9:30 pm

wat abt d valve springs?

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Postby xtech » June 10th, 2010, 11:34 pm

man just put in a 4G63T :lol: :lol:

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 10th, 2010, 11:50 pm

well dat kinda hard to now seein dat d 6A13TT engine there already :P
besides i jus wanted to kno wat cud match up to make things easier. :fadein:

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 11th, 2010, 12:30 am

i looking for some cosmetics stuff...i looking for a facelift bumper (double fogs) and a right door handle/lock assembly .

also a good set of Evo VII rotors.

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 15th, 2010, 7:29 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:i looking for some cosmetics stuff...i looking for a facelift bumper (double fogs) and a right door handle/lock assembly .

also a good set of Evo VII rotors.


i will look around for u

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 15th, 2010, 8:55 pm

cool.... Dont worry about the bumper again..i going back to pre facelift (single fogs) unless you can find one that someone is willing to trade.

I have the following spares to get rid of..

2 VR4 Head and blocks (one is being scrapped right now the other has to get pistons)
1 set of VR4 Front brakes (complete with lines et al)
1 set of front hubs
1 pair of Fans
1Transfer Case
1 bonnet
1 pr of fenders
1 pr of headlights
plus a ton of other stuff...

(yes a half was bought)

PM for a best price...need to get this stuff out mi yaaD!!!

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 15th, 2010, 11:08 pm

ok kool, will look around.
u got a lot ah parts dere.

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 16th, 2010, 7:28 pm

i was thinkin abt gettin a vr4 head an block but i wanna complete everything in d car first...how much u sellin it for?

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 16th, 2010, 7:51 pm

^^ which one? the one that is scrapping i parting with it for $1,000.00 The other one thats complete is going for $3,000 Negotiable as you will need to get pistons for it. Crank is good, head is good. a/c/powersteering/alternator is good.

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 16th, 2010, 8:59 pm

well which ever 1 i cud get parts dat does go first...like coil pack and sensors an ting nah.

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 17th, 2010, 6:55 pm

hmmm....the one that scrapping,...come fast ..i have another buyer for it..

Gearbox conversion gone.....tigns selling ppl...sticketh not!!

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Postby vans » June 17th, 2010, 7:33 pm

^^ banzai and xtech this is the guy who called you about the alternator. bought an evo 6 and gutted the inside and placed it in my casing bolted up and working like a charm. with 100A instead of the 85A. also for any one else who might have ac compressor probs . the 4g93 compressor works but not all will bolt up . look for one with the same pulley layout.

anyone knows what are the best plugs to use and what wires. and where to get them.

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Postby ralliartvr47 » June 17th, 2010, 8:50 pm

fellas i got back d car today...i real happy...she wukin sweet
i goin by specialist tmr
banzai i wont b able to take it because i wanna get everything working first...money going low.
ill post pics soon, i wanna clean up everything first, make sure it lookin like how it supposed to.

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 17th, 2010, 10:43 pm

vans wrote:^^ banzai and xtech this is the guy who called you about the alternator. bought an evo 6 and gutted the inside and placed it in my casing bolted up and working like a charm. with 100A instead of the 85A. also for any one else who might have ac compressor probs . the 4g93 compressor works but not all will bolt up . look for one with the same pulley layout.

anyone knows what are the best plugs to use and what wires. and where to get them.


Good info man.... i normally use number 7 plugs...plug wires? hmm.. i got an NGK set some yrs ago...still working...

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Postby xtech » June 17th, 2010, 10:59 pm

yeah that is good info.............i did the same thing when my 4G93 starter went i guts it an used the internals from my 6A13 starter.

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Postby platinumedition » June 24th, 2010, 5:14 pm

any one have the black plastic piece that connects to the air filter an runs to the front of the car ?

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 24th, 2010, 5:37 pm

Can sell you the entire intake set up from the "ram box" to the filter box for $400. The piece you talking about? walk with a $150....

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Postby platinumedition » June 24th, 2010, 5:43 pm

when and where pm me info

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Postby Monk BANzai » June 24th, 2010, 6:05 pm

^^ Pm sent...as i said..walk with extra cash as you may see something else you want....frame going to scrap yard this weekend....

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