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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby turbohead » September 22nd, 2012, 11:49 am

i see maldenado causing trouble in the start tmr and will try to push for 1st and may rap up the 1st lap. he really is kinda ill tempered out on track on race day. hopefully vettel wil pull out 1 of his wonderful flyby's it the earlies and get out in front

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Postby MG Man » September 23rd, 2012, 8:50 am

byieeeeeeeeeee Lewis :P
(if I wAS him I woulda be cussin in my helmet)

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Postby jeevdude199 » September 23rd, 2012, 9:04 am

What is Diff Magic? Mercedes playing games with Schumacher.....haha oh Lewis Mercedes be callin

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Postby jeevdude199 » September 23rd, 2012, 9:43 am

Stewards to investigate if Schumacher needs glasses or must retire......in other news massa to p8 not bad

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby MadCrix » September 23rd, 2012, 9:45 am

Massa under investigation

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby roadracer7 » September 25th, 2012, 10:39 am

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lotus-plan-major-upgrade-korean-gp-091926098.html


Lotus plan major upgrade for Korean GP
Kimi Raikkonen's chances of getting back in the Formula 1 title hunt will be boosted by a major upgrade that Lotus is planning for the Korean Grand Prix.







The Finn endured a difficult weekend in Singapore but still managed to hang on to third in the standings after finishing sixth. He is now 45 points adrift of championship leader Fernando Alonso with six races remaining.
Although a new rear wing that Lotus tried at the Marina Bay circuit did not work, the Enstone-based outfit believes that the return of its double-DRS in Japan and a number of developments for Korea can get it back in the hunt for the title.
Lotus trackside operations director Alan Permane said: "There is a big update coming in Korea, a really good aero update - plus we plan to run our rear wing device in Suzuka.
"We've fallen off the back of those top three teams and we need to get ourselves back mixing it with them. I hope we can be right back up there fighting with them, like we were in Budapest."
Permane suspects that the new wing evaluated in Singapore may not be as bad as the team thought on Friday, as changing track conditions made it difficult to judge its relative merits.
"We had some aero updates on Friday that we weren't convinced about, and it is difficult in Singapore to measure what is going on," he said. "So we played it safe and took them off.
"Everything that's come out of the windtunnel has worked, and maybe we weren't cautious enough this time because of that. It could be we get to Suzuka and it works really well.
"I'm optimistic that what we've got coming will allow us to fight on performance. Although there are no guarantees, I'm reasonably confident we'll get to Suzuka and be in good shape."

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Postby Victory_Specification » September 25th, 2012, 10:50 am

They need to start winning if Raikkonen is to be int he title hunt again. I would be surprised if they got on the podium with those upgrades. I think the title fight really is down to Ferrari and Red Bull.

Alonso is just going to run away while everybody else is fighting with each other.

Unless Mclaren win the remaining 6 races. Don't count them out yet.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby roadracer7 » September 25th, 2012, 10:54 am

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/mclaren-equals-mercedes-hamilton-bid-092404413.html


McLaren equals Mercedes' Hamilton bid


McLaren is ready to match Mercedes' wage offer to Lewis Hamilton in a bid to further tempt the former world champion to remain at his current team.
On the back of frenzied speculation about Hamilton's future caused by Eddie Jordan's claim that he would move to Mercedes in 2013, negotiations have been ongoing between the Briton's management team, XIX Entertainment, and McLaren.
Although no deal has yet been agreed, high-level sources suggest that the wage deal on offer is no longer an issue.
McLaren is believed to be offering at least, if not more, than the approximate £11.5 million per season deal that it is understood Mercedes has put on the table.
The main issue to be debated now is whether or not the greater commercial freedom that Hamilton could have at Mercedes - because personal sponsorship deals are not as tightly controlled as they are at McLaren - is worth enough for Hamilton and XIX to consider it a better option.
McLaren has a number of extensive commercial tie-ups with companies like Hugo Boss that limit the personal sponsorship possibilities that are open to its drivers.
However, as Hamilton's current deal with Reebok shows, there is scope for personal deals to be part of a McLaren package. And sources suggest the outfit may be willing to be more flexible in what it allows Hamilton to do if it guarantees securing his future.
The financial situation is also further complicated by the fact that any deals Hamilton could get at Mercedes may not be as much as win bonus possibilities he could have at McLaren.
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh said over the Singapore Grand Prix weekend that he felt Hamilton appeared more focused.
When asked by AUTOSPORT whether there were any worries that the disappointment of retiring from the race would impact on Hamilton's decision about his future, Whitmarsh said: "I have to say that Lewis has been incredibly strong.
"I've spoken to Lewis first hand and he is in a very focused frame of mind. He came around, thanked everyone in the team for their efforts this weekend and it was a much stronger-minded Lewis that we have seen before.
"He is very focused, he knows there are 150 points that are available and he knows we are going to work hard to collect all of them, or as many as we can."
Other team members were equally keen to praise Hamilton's attitude over the Singapore weekend.
Mercedes reshuffle rumours
The situation for Hamilton is also further complicated by suggestions that Mercedes may be poised for a management shake-up.
Speculation in the Singapore paddock pointed to the Mercedes board pondering a reorganisation of how the outfit is run, having finally given agreement to a deal that will commit it to Formula 1 until 2020. A decision could come at a board meeting that is scheduled for this week.
Sources have suggested that former world champion Niki Lauda could even be drafted in to take a role with the team, following his successful involvement in negotiations between Mercedes and Bernie Ecclestone to frame a new Concorde Agreement deal.
Lauda himself denied that he had a firm offer in place from Mercedes, but did not dismiss the possibility completely.
"I've not been asked," he told AUTOSPORT about speculation of a role at Mercedes. "It would be wrong of me to say anything because I haven't been talked to about it.
"The only thing I did was help Mercedes with the Concorde Agreement discussions, and that was just to get the ball rolling between the two parties."



looks like hammy in for the long haul.......... lots of racial intoning comments in the commentry bar... ''like we back in slavery days'' ...''hmmmm''


let your driving do the talking

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Victory_Specification » September 27th, 2012, 10:53 pm

Hamilton Moves to Mercedes in $100,000,000 deal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/9572696/Lewis-Hamilton-to-join-Mercedes-in-100m-move-from-McLaren.html

I don't really blame him, but I wont be surprised if he regrets it. I guess when schumi crashed into Vergne in Singapore the deal was basically done.

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » September 28th, 2012, 6:56 am

I think that is a big mistake on Hamilton's part. Mercedes is like Honda and Toyota, big budgets and no significant results. It's easier to make an unreliable fast car be reliable than make a reliable slow car be fast. He should have sucked salt, worked on his attitude and stayed at McLaren. But then again, what would an armchair F1 pundit like me know about the cutthroat F1 business?

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Postby MG Man » September 28th, 2012, 9:05 am

ungratefull little wanker
I would never leave the team that did so much for me...even if I had to be a back marker

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby MichaelR » September 28th, 2012, 12:52 pm

Massa probably feels like he dodged a bullet. well 2 bullets, Hamilton and Perez. Yea, I know he still is under serious pressure.
Perez better make good use of the opportunity at McLaren. I think both McLaren and Mercedes have a good way to go and Hamilton made a smart decision for his career even though I could also see the view of some that it was an ungrateful move. 2013 might be a struggle for him but come 2014 with Mercedes making the engines and having big engineers Ross Braun and financial backing, eventually Benz will be fighting for a championship.
I knew this idealistic British car company, with all British drivers thing was a load of bs. F1 is a global sport.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Victory_Specification » September 28th, 2012, 1:03 pm

well said michael.
Perez has some serious shoes to fill. I'm looking forward to see how he stacks up against JB.

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » September 28th, 2012, 1:14 pm

MichaelR wrote:. . . .but come 2014 with Mercedes making the engines and having big engineers Ross Braun and financial backing, eventually Benz will be fighting for a championship. . . .


I heard a similar story about an F1 team owned by the Honda Motor Corporation. Check and see who is the Technology Director at Mercedes GP and see where he worked before.

Sometimes money is not everything. Say what you want, Jacques Villeneuve could drive an F1 car, but, despite him saying otherwise, the lure of money at BAR ruined his career. Hamilton should learn a lesson from this.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby teems1 » September 28th, 2012, 1:20 pm

I blame XIX Entertainment. 10m pounds and endorsements like crazy for being with McLaren is better than 20m pounds and Merc.

His "brand" which he so wants to build will actually suffer in the long run if he's not winning races.

In the 3 years Merc have been back, they have won 1 race and never been consistent podium finishers.

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Postby djaggs » September 28th, 2012, 1:51 pm


Lewis Hamilton set to leave McLaren, signs for Mercedes-Benz

Posted by TopGear.com

Confirmation is in: Lewis Hamilton is leaving McLaren, the team that has nurtured his F1 career for more than half his life, to go and drive for Mercedes for the next three years, replacing Michael Schumacher. And it would appear, judging by the reaction out there, that there’s little love for Hamilton – do you feel he’s betrayed McLaren to chase some kind of global celebrity status and the money that comes with it? Do let us know.

From our safe position on the Sunday Afternoon sofa, let’s try and unpack the scenario with some tea and toast. You don’t need to be an expert in these things to feel McLaren’s sense of slight. The team has of course wished its driver well, but it’s also made it clear it has two drivers left in contention for this year’s title (in reality it probably has none). Message: there will be no favours for Lewis, and he can hardly expect to be as close to the technical and development team as he may have been in the past.


Secondly, while Lewis and Mercedes have confirmed the move – “I believe that I can help steer the Silver Arrows to the top and achieve our joint ambitions of winning the world championships”, Hamilton said – McLaren has already announced that it has signed Sergio Perez. Nothing quite like getting the new girlfriend out there on your arm when you’ve been dumped, eh?

McLaren’s reaction tells us all we need to know about the real reason that Lewis even entertained conversations with Mercedes; the relationship which started with a ten-year-old boy telling Ron Dennis he would drive for him one day has been in decay for a couple of years now. You could blame it on McLaren’s inability to turn what is widely regarded as the best car on the grid this year into a championship leader. Or you could blame it on Jenson Button. JB has charmed and worked his way in to the heart of that team. A team Lewis believed was all his.

So what about the new deal? There is talk of $100million over three years, surely more than a garage team like McLaren can afford, not now it has to pay for its engines in 2013 and has yet to announce which 1.6-litre turbo it will run in 2014.

Which leaves us with the oft-levelled accusation that Lewis craves some kind of global megastar status, that he will one day be as famous as say, Michael Jordan. The story goes that it’s Mercedes as much as Hamilton’s agents, XIX Entertainment, that will enable this celebrity and that the mutual benefit is what makes it worth it for Benz. We’re tempted to suggest that if it’s the racing driver Mercedes wants, we can’t imagine that anyone who enjoys F1 doesn’t already know everything they need to know about the Mercedes brand.

But on the other hand if you were going to leave McLaren for anyone, and Ferrari was taken, Ross Brawn – Mercedes-Benz team principal and architect behind Schumacher and Button’s championship wins – is probably the person you’d leave for. The team is clearly not winning in its current guise, and has failed to catch fire around Michael Schumacher. But just wait. Our bet is that with Lewis there, it will very soon

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Postby djaggs » September 28th, 2012, 1:57 pm

I think he just shot himself in the foot. He seems to think he is in the mould of a Stewart or Schumacher or even Alonso, men who had the ability to knit a team together and get make that team produce 110%.

Im not sure if he has reached there yet, perhaps he is hoping he could get there with Ross Brawn at the helm. Who knows, maybe it could also be a spark of genius on his part.

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Postby adriano7910 » September 28th, 2012, 2:39 pm

MSC to ferrari plz plz o pretty plz. kick massa to sauber

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Postby noshownogo » September 28th, 2012, 3:05 pm

I feel Michael done. Ferrari gonna push for Vettel eventually. Massa days numbered, I suspect at the end of this season. Although, I have been saying that for the past couple seasons. Robert Kubica would be a great catch for any team if he's 100% F1 fit.

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Postby Victory_Specification » September 28th, 2012, 3:09 pm

The frustrating thing is; we really will have to wait until 2014 to find out if Mr. Hamilton's move was worth it (ie when the turbo V6s arrive). If Mercedes don't win any of the opening races, then they probabaly won't be winning any championships either.

At the end of the day F1 is just business, I still feel it for Mclaren though.
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Postby Victory_Specification » September 28th, 2012, 3:16 pm

Ouch

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby roadracer7 » September 29th, 2012, 12:31 am

give the guy a bre..ak , he's living in monte carlo and needs the extra money....

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Postby roadracer7 » September 29th, 2012, 12:37 am

another spin on the subject



http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/motorhead-hamilton-flips-60m-coin-162318029.html




Motorhead: Hamilton flips a £60m coin
Lewis Hamilton will be handsomely rewarded in driving for Mercedes but he has taken a big gamble, argues our blogger.




In March this year Lewis Hamilton moved from his adopted Switzerland to the casino principality of Monte Carlo, and little more than six months on, the Brit has made the biggest gamble of his career so far.
The 27-year-old has severed ties with McLaren that famously date back to the age of nine, when he told then team boss Ron Dennis that he would one day drive his cars. He did so for six years.
From 2013, he will drive for Mercedes. He will be rewarded handsomely for it – the deal is believed to be worth up to £60m over the course of his contract – but the gamble is whether it does his career any good.
Hamilton has, in effect, flipped a very expensive coin to decide his future.
He will have talked extensively to both his current employers and his future ones about their plans before making the switch, and Mercedes will have had to make a compelling case in order for him to leave his boyhood team. But whatever was said in those discussions, Hamilton is taking a leap into the unknown.
The money may have been a consideration, but it will not have been the over-riding one. Besides, Hamilton’s legacy as a multiple champion will be worth considerably more than a little boost to his paypacket right now. Hamilton has long insisted that it is championships, not cash, that he craves.
McLaren offer stability and familiarity – and, in a sporting situation where very little is guaranteed, and the margins have rarely been finer, they are the nearest thing to a sure bet Hamilton could have had.
Over Hamilton’s time at the team, there have been troughs of form and moments where the car was an also-ran – but they have been brief, and since his arrival into the sport, Hamilton is the only driver with at least one grand prix victory to his name every season.
Equally, it’s also true that since his 2008 world championship, he has spent three years outside the top three at the end of the drivers’ championship, and, as things stand this season, he is on track to miss out once more.
Hamilton likes to challenge himself, and will hope that a new team helps him find an extra gear. There is plenty in his favour - a long-time friend in team-mate Nico Rosberg, a guru of a team principal in Ross Brawn, and a team with the budget, clout and, perhaps most importantly, a supply of their own engines - to give Hamilton a winning chance. 2013 may not be an instant success, but when Formula One adopts a new chassis in 2014, the suspicion is that Mercedes will be better-placed than McLaren to adapt.
But if next year Mercedes sit where they are this campaign - occasionally competitive, but often scrapping for the last few points available on race day - then Hamilton’s notoriously thin patience could be tested.
McLaren have responded quickly and decisively – and, in the circumstances, in the best possible way.
Sergio Perez is the brightest young talent in the sport, and, given his own long-standing ties with Ferrari, they have done well to acquire him before the Scuderia swapped him for Felipe Massa.
He is still just 22, but will develop quickly alongside Jenson Button, and brings with him new markets and new financial opportunities. Perez is sponsored by Telmex, the Mexican company owned by Carlos Slim, who is worth a reported £44bn. McLaren, based in Britain and backed in the Middle East, will evolve once more.
Both sides will try to take the positives from the decision – it may yet prove that both Hamilton and McLaren find themselves better off apart.
But there is one clear loser from Friday's news – the seven-times world champion Michael Schumacher.
The German came back to the sport in a sensational move three years ago, and apart from brief flashes of brilliance, his return has been an anti-climactic and often error-strewn one.
Despite being 43, he did not appear ready to return to retirement.
But ultimately his towering reputation and long relationship with Brawn was not enough to save him. Mercedes feel they need a player of the very highest calibre to help them make the final step forward in the sport. Schumacher was no longer that man.
Hamilton might just be. He’s placed his £60m bet.

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Postby roadracer7 » September 29th, 2012, 12:42 am

2014
The FIA has announced the intention to change the 2.4-litre V8 engines to 1.6 litre V6 turbo engines including energy recovery systems [15] and containing fuel flow restrictions, in order to make Formula One more environmentally aware and to attract more commercial partners for 2014. The engines would also be limited to 15,000 rpm. In addition to the current suppliers, a new company, Propulsion Universelle et Recuperation d'Energie (PURE), has been founded to produce the 2014-specification engines, in the ex Toyota F1 base in Cologne.[16] The new formula is set to reintroduce turbocharged engines, which last appeared in 1988, have their efficiency improved by turbo-compounding and introduce more energy recovery systems - with power to be harvested from the brakes and exhaust gases.[17] The original proposal for four-cylinder turbocharged engines was not welcomed by the racing teams, in particular Ferrari. Adrian Newey stated during the 2011 European Grand Prix that the change to a V6 enables teams to carry the engine as a stressed member, whereas an inline 4 would have required a space frame. A compromise was reached to adopt V6 turbocharged engines instead.[17]



15,000 rpm ...............shikes to slow speed down


bring back the V10


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Postby Rory Phoulorie » September 29th, 2012, 9:17 am

I thought PURE had to close up shop recently due to financial difficulties and no one committing themselves to using their engines.

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Postby MichaelR » September 29th, 2012, 11:40 am

HAHAHA OH LAWWWD!!! !

(Clarkson, Hammond, and May have signed deals that ensures Top Gear will at least be on the air for three more years.)
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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Victory_Specification » September 29th, 2012, 1:22 pm

LOL hahaha

I have a feeling we'll soon be hearing

'some say he used to drive for Mclaren, and that if he actually cared about wining, he would stay there'

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby Victory_Specification » September 29th, 2012, 5:03 pm

Words from DC's perspective; really good stuff.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/9575068/Lewis-Hamilton-the-man-casts-off-the-last-of-his-McLaren-shadows-with-inevitable-move-to-Mercedes.html

David coulthard wrote:I feel Paul is the obvious choice. I know McLaren looked at him but my feeling is they had shaken the British tree as much as they could sponsor-wise and Perez, quite apart from his undoubted ability behind a wheel, offered something different in that respect.

Sometimes relationships just reach their natural conclusion. It’s funny hearing Martin Whitmarsh saying that Lewis is making a “mistake” in joining Mercedes because I can remember him talking to my then manager Martin Brundle towards the end of my time at McLaren, saying that our relationship had reached its natural conclusion. He was right. And to me this is exactly the same thing — Lewis’s relationship with McLaren had run its course


I also thought Di Resta would be the obvious choice over Perez, but when you take sponsorship into consideration, it does shake things up a bit.

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Re: The Official 2012 Formula 1 season..ched

Postby roadracer7 » September 30th, 2012, 3:34 pm

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/hill-hamilton-caged-mclaren-112404881.html


Hill: Hamilton 'caged' at McLaren
Former world champion Damon Hill says he 'cannot blame' Lewis Hamilton for leaving McLaren as he felt the Woking squad mishandled its long-time protege.


Hamilton announced on Friday that he would switch to Mercedes for 2013, ending a relationship with McLaren that began when the team spotted his potential in karting in his teens.
Although McLaren's recent form has been consistently stronger than Mercedes can boast, it is understood that other issues were brewing between Hamilton and his team - and Hill believes these tensions were insurmountable.
"Lewis has been like a caged bird at McLaren," Hill told the Daily Mail. "He'd been managed to within an inch of his life. I can't blame him for looking to move elsewhere.
"Lewis needed to leave McLaren to stretch his wings."
Hamilton said during the summer that McLaren's policy of keeping its drivers' race win trophies was a key factor in talks. Hill said he understood Hamilton's stance.
"I could never get my head around the logic that the team takes the driver's trophy," he said.
"It's the principle, not the trophy, that is at stake.
"After you have won a championship, and jumped through a lot of hoops, there is a point when you think: 'This is my life'. You can have a bellyful of becoming a performing seal. You don't want to be on probation for your whole career.
"Of course, you still have to fight inside the car; but there is a time when, surely, you have proved you can motivate yourself. These are things Lewis has tried to balance."

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