<<TriniTuner 2009 F1 Thread>>

[pato]

Ok i'm fairly new to F1 racing, this is actually my second season where i actually watched the races. My question is if Ferrari, and Toyota are having problems and they were around a long time, then how come the Brawn team is doing so well, both in qualifing and race days ? What are they doing different that has given them the edge so far ?

I know Ross Brawn was at Ferrari during the Michael Schumacher era but that can't be all. Button has one 4 races thus far and his team mate close behind, the last few races guys like alonso ,kimi, glock are having a tough time.

[dmitc]

pato, i think the that reason Ferrari and say McLaren has fallen so far back was because the focus on improving their 2008 cars to fight for last year's title while teams like Honda {presently Brawn GP}, Redbull and Toyota focused on developing their 09 cars. Plus there is the issue of rule interpretation wrt to the defusers that has put the top runners where they are well except for Redbull that did not have the twin defusers but are just reall quick

[teems1]

Ok i'm fairly new to F1 racing, this is actually my second season where i actually watched the races. My question is if Ferrari, and Toyota are having problems and they were around a long time, then how come the Brawn team is doing so well, both in qualifing and race days ? What are they doing different that has given them the edge so far ?

I know Ross Brawn was at Ferrari during the Michael Schumacher era but that can't be all. Button has one 4 races thus far and his team mate close behind, the last few races guys like alonso ,kimi, glock are having a tough time.

BrawnGP is the Honda team bought over.

While most teams spend a ludicrous amount of money developing their current car to earn points/podiums, Honda last year did not.

Honda literally said screw it, ignore the 2008 car totally, we'll spend 100% of our time, money and r&d on the 2009 car.

So while Ferrari, McLaren and BMW were fighting for the WDC last year, Button and Barichello were fighting with Force India to avoid last place.

Then the financial meltdown happened, companies (especially car manufacturers) were making record losses, it would have looked really bad for Honda to spend hundreds of millions on F1 while ppl were losing their jobs, thus they sold the team very cheap to Brawn.

Hence the Brawn car is currently the best, even though they're a small outfit, lots and lots of money was spent on it last year.

[noshownogo]

Lewis feels like F1 prisoner



Lewis Hamilton says he is disillusioned with Formula One and compared his current situation to wrongful imprisonment.

Source: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 93,00.html

[noshownogo]

Lola to join F1 in 2010

UK car company confirms decision to join the circuit for next season.

Lola has confirmed it will be applying for a place on the 2010 Formula One grid under the FIA's planned budget cap regulations.

[Maserati]

Lewis feels like F1 prisoner



Lewis Hamilton says he is disillusioned with Formula One and compared his current situation to wrongful imprisonment.

Source: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 93,00.html

lol
or he just not accustomed to being in this position

[teems1]

most ppl not accustomed to being paid 25m pounds a year either.

[MG Man]

F1's biggest crybaby

[teems1]

McLaren need to rehire Adrian Newey.

A freakin Red Bull is fighting for podiums while McLaren are out of the points. sigh

[MadCrix]

and i find it is about time rb steppd up

it was a logn time coming

last year eveyone knew i supported hammi, but a good driver with a bad car or a bad driver with a good car, either way, that team is not performing.

button and mark are drivign in a different class, be it car, driver or a bit off both

[Alpha_2nr]

BrawnGP is the Honda team bought over.

With a Mercedes Engine.

lol
or he just not accustomed to being in this position

No.....hammie is just whining again...like he always does. He used to act like he was the next Michael Schumacher (around the time when he was trying to shaft Alonso).

Typical one hit wonder-boy .

[pato]

In my couple years of looking at F1 racing........... i have taken a liking for the toyota team, trulli and glock are not impressive but i see they fight all the way.

Question..... how big of an advantage or disadvantage do teams have on each other when they are using the same engine? Take for example Brawn, Mclaren & Force India...If teams are using the same engine then is it harder to design a car to compete with your rivals ?

[JoKeR1980]

Ferrari lose appeal against budget cuts....

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 25,00.html

[teems1]

In my couple years of looking at F1 racing........... i have taken a liking for the toyota team, trulli and glock are not impressive but i see they fight all the way.

Question..... how big of an advantage or disadvantage do teams have on each other when they are using the same engine? Take for example Brawn, Mclaren & Force India...If teams are using the same engine then is it harder to design a car to compete with your rivals ?

I think McLaren get a better specced engine than BrawnGP or Force India cuz Mercedes owns a large percentage of McLaren.

[worksux101]

Since the first race i've been saying that Brawn has the adv. because of the old Honda team last year...same with Toyota because of their budget...that's why RBR has hands down been the most impressive team for me this year...

Question..... how big of an advantage or disadvantage do teams have on each other when they are using the same engine? Take for example Brawn, Mclaren & Force India...If teams are using the same engine then is it harder to design a car to compete with your rivals ?

They won't usually get the exact engine...the best r&d will go to Mclaren because they have the highest budget, are the most popular/experienced and are expected to do the best in the championship...
The same with others in the last few years, eg Ferrari and Sauber...

[Alpha_2nr]

that's why RBR has hands down been the most impressive team for me this year...

Totally agree with this. But on the flipside.....look at Torro Rosso........bt then again....is that attributed to the engine (different to the RBR car ), or the fact that Torro Rosso seems to have the "younger" drivers....?

[teems1]

Nico Rosberg fastest yet again for today's free practice session 2 in Monaco.

Betcha he'll disappoint in qualifying and the race like he did for the entire season so far.

[Maserati]

Ahhh Monaco

[teems1]

Ahhh Monaco

sigh, these women are facing the wrong way.

how can you sunbathe when there are 20 car engines screaming at 120-140 decibels right next to you.

[noshownogo]

thats a great shot, they have to be wearing earplugs

[Maserati]

^for real.
I've heard from people who have attended f1 races that it is so loud even up in the viewing stands.

[worksux101]

Totally agree with this. But on the flipside.....look at Torro Rosso........bt then again....is that attributed to the engine (different to the RBR car ), or the fact that Torro Rosso seems to have the "younger" drivers....?

RBR has the better overall team, more experienced designers,mechanics etc...same owner yes, but everything else is different...

[teems1]

Totally agree with this. But on the flipside.....look at Torro Rosso........bt then again....is that attributed to the engine (different to the RBR car ), or the fact that Torro Rosso seems to have the "younger" drivers....?

RBR has the better overall team, more experienced designers,mechanics etc...same owner yes, but everything else is different...

Same chassis as RBR which was designed by Adrian Newey, and a fairly decent Ferrari powerplant.

STR should be doing better laptimes than they currently are.

[worksux101]

F1 isn't won by the major designs...chassis etc. are almost the same all across the board...its the nitty gritty and the hundreths of seconds here and there that adds up...RBR has the staff, funding and experience to get that extra bit...

[JoKeR1980]

da pics so far

http://www.planetf1.com/Gallery_Detail/ ... 83,00.html

alert...plenty skinny white 'oman...

[Maserati]

da pics so far

http://www.planetf1.com/Gallery_Detail/ ... 83,00.html

alert...plenty skinny white 'oman...

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[Maserati]

Button on pole
Kimmi second!!!
Rubens 3rd

Hamilton crashes out will start from 16th.

come on Kimmi

[JoKeR1980]

oh so close! at least the scuderia has shown improvement...gonna be a good race with kimi breathin down button's neck...hope he pushes him into making a mistake!

[teems1]

This is going to be Ferrari's best change to get a podium for the season, hell, they could even get the race victory if Kimi manages to jump Button on the start using KERS.

Overtaking in Monaco is near impossible.

[Freelander]

This is going to be Ferrari's best change to get a podium for the season, hell, they could even get the race victory if Kimi manages to jump Button on the start using KERS.

Overtaking in Monaco is near impossible.

that is true i can see kers from kimi coming into play, but he also has to worry about rubens. recently hes been very quick off the start. in spain didnt he come from 3, or 4th on teh start and after the 1st corner was first?

either way its good to see the table mixing up a bit.


as for hamilton


lets go brawn lets go!!