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RASC wrote:Guy's this rules change is creating quite a stir for next season.
<a href="http://www.almostdeluxe.com/?p=451">Now Toyota is threatening to withdraw pending the 2010 rule changes...</a>
"If the proposed rules for 2010 stay unchanged, we will not take part in the 2010 Championship," Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz told the Salzburger Nachrichten newspaper.
JoKeR1980 wrote:Rubens: I won't tolerate team orders
Sunday 10th May 2009
Rubens Barrichello has threatened to quit Formula One if he senses team orders coming into play in his fight for the title with team-mate Jenson Button.
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 71,00.html
Freelander wrote:JoKeR1980 wrote:Rubens: I won't tolerate team orders
Sunday 10th May 2009
Rubens Barrichello has threatened to quit Formula One if he senses team orders coming into play in his fight for the title with team-mate Jenson Button.
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 71,00.html
that article is crap!
the decision to switch strategies was made by button's race engineer. its ruben's race engineer's own fault for not updating strategies as the rqace progressed.
i mean it sucks for rubens always being second, but that is how all sports are played.
Refueling banned
First of all, the council has confirmed that refueling will be banned as of 2010. There have been talks about this change for a while, mostly because it will have a considerable impact for the car's designs. At some circuits fuel consumption is currently as high as 3l per lap, requiring next year's cars to have fuel tanks of approximately 180l, maybe even more. To put this in perspective, most teams currently have tanks of about 90l. The change will remove the need to transport the 20 heavy refuelling rigs to each race venue, while on the sportive side we may again see drivers having to save fuel at some point during the race. It may even come to situations as in the late 80's where drivers just ran out of fuel towards the end of a race.
Increased weight limit
Due to the pressure of BMW Sauber who want to reduce the disadvantage heavier drivers have now, the minimum weight has been increased from 605kg to 620kg.
Safety measures for the front wing
In the margin of changes, the new rules also stipulate an extended area where bodywork components must have a minimum radius to prevent damage to an opponent's tyre in case of a collision:
3.4.2 In order to prevent tyre damage to other cars, the top, forward and outer edges of the lateral extremities of any bodywork more than 450mm ahead of the front wheel centre line and more than 750mm from the car centre line must be at least 10mm thick with a radius of at least 5mm.
More strict KERS regulations
As of 2010, the KERS may not be activated when a car is travelling at more than 300km/h. This change will effectively eliminate the possibility to use KERS for additional top speed but instead allow its use to more quickly attain than top speed. In addition to that, homologated sensors on the system will be required. The position of the KERS storage device - whether it is a flywheel or a battery pack - will have to be located ahead of the front of the engine and behind the driver. It is believed that all current KERS cars nearly comply to this regulation already.
5.2.5 All KERS energy storage devices must be situated between the front face of the engine and the driver's back when viewed in lateral projection. When establishing the front face of the engine, no parts of the fuel, oil, water or electrical systems will be considered. 5.2.6 Cars must be fitted with homologated sensors which provide all necessary signals to the SDR in order to verify the requirements above are being respected.
Budget capped regulation set
With the start of 2010, an additional regulation formula will be introduced that will put teams on a budget limit of £45 million. In exchange these will receive more technical freedom.
More power from the engine
One of these particularities is the removal of the 18000rpm limit. Whether this will prove interesting is something else, as the teams will be using the same standardized engines as all other competitors. Because these have been designed to last long enough to manage a full season with 8 engines, reliability may be severely compromised if teams choose to run them at higher speeds. Apart from this worry, increased speed will also come with increased fuel consumption. The teams willing to run their engines at higher rpm consistently will have to build larger fuel tanks and be slower at the beginning of the race due to their higher fuel ballast.
Movable aerodynamics
Budget controlled teams will be allowed to have their front wing adjusted by 10°, a surplus of 4° over the teams that choose to go with the conventional rule set. They will also be allowed to adjust the front wing's incidence any time they find it appropriate - and not limited to twice a lap. The rear wing will also be adjustable and can greatly help to boost a car on high speed sections of a circuit.
3.18.2 The incidence of the upper section described in Article 3.10.2 (if two sections are used) may be varied whilst the car is in motion, provided any such change maintains compliance with all of the bodywork dimensional regulations. Alteration of the incidence of this section may only be commanded by direct driver input and controlled using the control electronics specified in Article 8.2. This Article applies only to Cost-Regulated Teams.
Doubled KERS power
Perhaps the most interesting benefit for these teams will be the double power allowed from their KERS devices. The cars will be allowed to release twice the energy - in and out - with KERS. Hence, with the same KERS system, they can use the additional 60hp for up to 12s per lap. Or, alternatively, the system can be adapted to have 120hp available during 6s.
5.2.3 The maximum power, in or out, of any KERS must not exceed 60kW. Energy released from the KERS may not exceed 400kJ in any one lap. Measurements will be taken at the connection to the drivetrain. For Cost-Regulated Teams only the following will apply :
- the power in is unrestricted ;
- the power out is limited to 120kW ;
- the energy released per lap is limited to 800kJ ;
- measurements will be taken at any FIA approved point in the drivetrain.
Four wheel drive
On top of that, cost regulated teams will be allowed four wheel drive. For those teams, article 9.1 of the technical regulations that states "No transmission system may permit more than two wheels to be driven." has been scrapped from the rulebook. While there is an extensive range of possibilities to exploit this change, it is most likely that teams will add a motor-generator for their KERS systems to the front wheels, allowing to charge the KERS device with brake energy from the front wheels too, whereas this is currently not allowed. As a direct consequence, the front wheels are also allowed to be powered by KERS.
Complete testing freedom
Currently teams are not allowed any in-season testing. However, it will be up to the budget-limited teams when they test in 2010, as long as they don't exceed their limited yearly budget.
Full scale wind tunnel testing
The cost-reducing regulation that allows teams only to run 50% scale models in their wind tunnels will be removed for teams complying with the budget limitation.
More strict KERS regulations
As of 2010, the KERS may not be activated when a car is travelling at more than 300km/h. This change will effectively eliminate the possibility to use KERS for additional top speed but instead allow its use to more quickly attain than top speed.
my question is why is it that FIA keep insisting on bringing down cost but they constantly change the rules each year forcing teams to spend countless millions on R&D not to mention design and reliability.
Refueling banned
First of all, the council has confirmed that refueling will be banned as of 2010. There have been talks about this change for a while, mostly because it will have a considerable impact for the car's designs.
Knight1 wrote:Refueling banned
First of all, the council has confirmed that refueling will be banned as of 2010. There have been talks about this change for a while, mostly because it will have a considerable impact for the car's designs.
This changes the dynamics of the race entirely.......the whole idea of pitstop strategy vs. car weight will be thrown out the window..........
Renault join F1 pull-out threat
Renault are the latest high-profile team threatening to quit Formula 1 unless proposals to adopt a £40m budget cap in 2010 are shelved.
On Tuesday, Ferrari joined Toyota and Red Bull in declaring their intention to pull out of F1 because of the plans.
And Renault boss Flavio Briatore has adopted a similar stance.
"If the decisions announced by the FIA are not revised, we have no choice but to withdraw from the world championship at the end of 2009," he said.
noshownogo wrote:well it looks as though either the FIA amend their rule changes for 2010 or face shutting down F1 for the season.
A meeting is scheduled to happen Friday morning to resolve these issues between the teams and the FIA.
This after the FIA president called their bluff stating "Ferrari are not stupid," "They don't want to leave Formula 1 and we don't want to lose them, so we'll get to grips with it."
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