rollcage in 10-12 sec street cars **now effective 2008**

[RASC]

For this meet, some safety requirements may be compromised in the interest of running the event but by the next meet all cars need to be up to spec.

Thought so...

[moti]

i dont agree with this......

roll cages should only apply to vehicles such as cross breeds etc.

1. box lancer with sr20det or rb 25-26det there was no way this car was made for these engines.

2. galant with 2jz engines v8 v6 or any other engines that didnt came with car should have a roll cage.

3. datsun 1200/1600 with rb25det ( yes sting is you i talkin bout ) should have the cage.

4. any other vehicle that falls in these class must have a roll cage or should not be able to race.

now on the other hand

skylines evo's subaru's etc should not have roll cages
cause these cars came with the engines the above mentioned vehicles came with.

b13,b14,b15,y11,lancers and others once you not doin 10secs and under should not have any roll cages.

[NarendZORCE]

"The name also sets the car apart from the 360 Challenge Stradale. Ferrari claims that the standard F430's dynamics are so far advanced over its predecessor that it could equal the CS’s performance just by adding the optional sports seats and roll-cage."

[SR]

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... penelement


FIA specs say roll cage fromm 10.99 or quicker

so who is making up rules here

are we FIA?? do you have to pay FIA membership to race??

then FIA drag racing rules should be in effect not so

take a read of the entire document with regards to what is allowable and whats not

some may not like some of the stringent measures but if you want to boast FIA then follow what FIA states
if not then why bother with FIA and lets come up with our own local rules that would meet all basic safety measures and must be enforced

safety should always be number one priority
but saying FIA and then another set of rules makes no sense

[NarendZORCE]

agreed Moti.

[RASC]

i dont agree with this......

roll cages should only apply to vehicles such as cross breeds etc.

1. box lancer with sr20det or rb 25-26det there was no way this car was made for these engines.

2. galant with 2jz engines v8 v6 or any other engines that didnt came with car should have a roll cage.

3. datsun 1200/1600 with rb25det ( yes sting is you i talkin bout ) should have the cage.

4. any other vehicle that falls in these class must have a roll cage or should not be able to race.

now on the other hand

skylines evo's subaru's etc should not have roll cages
cause these cars came with the engines the above mentioned vehicles came with.

b13,b14,b15,y11,lancers and others once you not doin 10secs and under should not have any roll cages.

What S#!T you talking

Narend and you agree with that???
So 9sec Skylines don't need roll cages but 9sec Civic Hatch need roll cage? That make sense BOTH should be equipped with cages for their protection at those kind of times/speeds

[NarendZORCE]

If FIA says 10.99 and lower then that should be the standard, what does the NHRA say?

[professor]

You guys need to speak to some of the people who had Roll Cages when they flipped, hey, I just realized something, maybe the reason you could still speak with them is because of the Roll Cage, hmm. This reminds me of 'Why wear a seat belt, it could trap you in the car, the release would jam, you would burn to death, remember that ?
My step father died becaus he did not like seat belts, he said ' I would lock my arms when I goin to crash, he had no way to lock his neck, his neck broke, his arms were perfect. Think while you still have a brain (hopefully) to think with.

[NarendZORCE]

i dont agree with this......

roll cages should only apply to vehicles such as cross breeds etc.

1. box lancer with sr20det or rb 25-26det there was no way this car was made for these engines.

2. galant with 2jz engines v8 v6 or any other engines that didnt came with car should have a roll cage.

3. datsun 1200/1600 with rb25det ( yes sting is you i talkin bout ) should have the cage.

4. any other vehicle that falls in these class must have a roll cage or should not be able to race.

now on the other hand

skylines evo's subaru's etc should not have roll cages
cause these cars came with the engines the above mentioned vehicles came with.

b13,b14,b15,y11,lancers and others once you not doin 10secs and under should not have any roll cages.

What S#!T you talking

Basically that cars or platforms that cater from the factory with a low power engines are more at risk structurally after recieving high power upgrades and transplants.

[moti]

i dont agree with this......

roll cages should only apply to vehicles such as cross breeds etc.

1. box lancer with sr20det or rb 25-26det there was no way this car was made for these engines.

2. galant with 2jz engines v8 v6 or any other engines that didnt came with car should have a roll cage.

3. datsun 1200/1600 with rb25det ( yes sting is you i talkin bout ) should have the cage.

4. any other vehicle that falls in these class must have a roll cage or should not be able to race.

now on the other hand

skylines evo's subaru's etc should not have roll cages
cause these cars came with the engines the above mentioned vehicles came with.

b13,b14,b15,y11,lancers and others once you not doin 10secs and under should not have any roll cages.

What S#!T you talking

Narend and you agree with that???
So 9sec Skylines don't need roll cages but 9sec Civic Hatch need roll cage? That make sense BOTH should be equipped with cages for their protection at those kind of times/speeds

may be i looked at your avatar and wrote that just joking

[RASC]

I agree with Roll Cages, HOWEVER the 12 and under thing NO

It should be 10.99 and under as stipulated by the FIA

TTASA want's to ensure safety but 12 secs is going over board

[honda hoe]

i dont agree with this......

roll cages should only apply to vehicles such as cross breeds etc.

1. box lancer with sr20det or rb 25-26det there was no way this car was made for these engines.

2. galant with 2jz engines v8 v6 or any other engines that didnt came with car should have a roll cage.

3. datsun 1200/1600 with rb25det ( yes sting is you i talkin bout ) should have the cage.

4. any other vehicle that falls in these class must have a roll cage or should not be able to race.

now on the other hand

skylines evo's subaru's etc should not have roll cages
cause these cars came with the engines the above mentioned vehicles came with.

b13,b14,b15,y11,lancers and others once you not doin 10secs and under should not have any roll cages.

What S#!T you talking

Narend and you agree with that???
So 9sec Skylines don't need roll cages but 9sec Civic Hatch need roll cage? That make sense BOTH should be equipped with cages for their protection at those kind of times/speeds

x2

[NarendZORCE]

My point is this:

Cars or platforms that cater from the factory for low power engines are more at risk structurally after recieving high power upgrades and transplants.

[moti]

would you put a roll cage in your rx

[RASC]

i dont agree with this......

roll cages should only apply to vehicles such as cross breeds etc.

1. box lancer with sr20det or rb 25-26det there was no way this car was made for these engines.

2. galant with 2jz engines v8 v6 or any other engines that didnt came with car should have a roll cage.

3. datsun 1200/1600 with rb25det ( yes sting is you i talkin bout ) should have the cage.

4. any other vehicle that falls in these class must have a roll cage or should not be able to race.

now on the other hand

skylines evo's subaru's etc should not have roll cages
cause these cars came with the engines the above mentioned vehicles came with.

b13,b14,b15,y11,lancers and others once you not doin 10secs and under should not have any roll cages.

What S#!T you talking

Basically that cars or platforms that cater from the factory with a low power engines are more at risk structurally after recieving high power upgrades and transplants.

So then when is the right time to guage who needs and who doesn't need a roll cage.
If we go according to this method, each car would have to be judged independantly and individually!!!

[NarendZORCE]

Autosport also had this issue to deal with when men showed up to the track with proper rust buckets, complete with wire tied up to hold the radiator, no battery clamp, no cage, helmet etc. but big power with iffy tires too.

[moti]

then judge them individually why not

[NarendZORCE]

would you put a roll cage in your rx

It's a 15 second car so for drags no. But if I were taking it to rally, yes!

[honda hoe]

would you put a roll cage in your rx

It's a 15 second car so for drags no. But if I were taking it to rally, yes!

[NarendZORCE]

The issue becomes grey and very subjective when older cars are involved. Some may have an accident history, some may well be very safe and sound but as time passes the body will weaken and in some cases the chassis will twist.

[moti]

so you modified your rx to do a 12secs

then would you put a cage narend

[NarendZORCE]

I see roll cages in some pretty slow cars in Barbados rally

[RASC]

My point is this:

Cars or platforms that cater from the factory for low power engines are more at risk structurally after recieving high power upgrades and transplants.

Noted...but consider this...
Skyline GTR 700 h.p. 10 sec
Civic B18 swap 500 h.p. 9 sec

It's making less power and faster time, your saying-YESHAS TO HAVE CAGE...yet GTR guy does not have to...
Next Meet GTR is making 900 h.p. 9 sec-and he still doesn't have to put in a cage...WHEN IS THE CUT OFF POINT???
Who is going to decide...that Mr. GTR is now making too much power time to install a cage, or your forever gonna say "Well thats a skyline his car is made for ____ kinda power

[SR]

Autosport also had this issue to deal with when men showed up to the track with proper rust buckets, complete with wire tied up to hold the radiator, no battery clamp, no cage, helmet etc. but big power with iffy tires too.

as well as the quality of roll cages that were being used

mufler pipe cannot be used for a roll cage

check how many people who boast roll cages have used muffler pipe

helemt and proper clothing should be madatory

clothing for 11sec and slower should not have to be full race gear

proper shoes
long pants and proper short/tshirt

drivers name and blood type should be on the helmet and on the car

whatevr the rules end up being
i hope they are fully enforced for the 2008 season
no acceptions

[NarendZORCE]

so you modified your rx to do a 12secs

then would you put a cage narend

Yes.

I do understand that for this meet it's a tall order for anyone to go and find a cage made for your car or have a proper one fabricated but eventually it will have to be done.

[NarendZORCE]

Regarding clothing, if you can't afford anything else or a fitting suit is not available, GLOVES are also a great idea in case of emergency. If you have to use your hands to push a door or a hot surface then you will at least have that protection.

[NarendZORCE]

My point is this:

Cars or platforms that cater from the factory for low power engines are more at risk structurally after recieving high power upgrades and transplants.

Noted...but consider this...
Skyline GTR 700 h.p. 10 sec
Civic B18 swap 500 h.p. 9 sec

It's making less power and faster time, your saying-YESHAS TO HAVE CAGE...yet GTR guy does not have to...
Next Meet GTR is making 900 h.p. 9 sec-and he still doesn't have to put in a cage...WHEN IS THE CUT OFF POINT???
Who is going to decide...that Mr. GTR is now making too much power time to install a cage, or your forever gonna say "Well thats a skyline his car is made for ____ kinda power

According to FIA the cutoff point is 10.99

[12 O Y]

They can be a lifesaver or the weapon for your own death!!. It believe it was proven that an accident between 30-50 kilos without wearing proper harnesses could split the skull rite open. Remember the distance of the head from the metal and three point seatbelts would not protect head movement.

[honda hoe]

According to FIA the cutoff point is 10.99

in the event of an accident... wuz d difference between a crash at 10.99 an 11.00 seconds?

[RASC]

NarendZORCE, I really think the point your making is unfair...
i think it should be ONE DEFINATE cut off point across the board, NOT on an individual car to car...engine to engine basis.
Lemme explain why:

STOCK a R34 GTR dynos at around 300
STOCK a CIVIC MUGEN RR dynos at around 300

Neither have to put on a cage then? Thats what your saying Because according to your argument "Cars or platforms that cater from the factory for low power engines are more at risk structurally after recieving high power upgrades and transplants."
Both cars are putting out similar power figures, both are STOCK ...same rules apply???
*Both Cars doing under 12-for argument sake*