T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[drchaos]

Up date on Nissan E Power Eforce Ownership
2800Km on the odo

Still can't get over how fast and responsive the electric drivetrain is.
Acceleration is amazing ...
JDM tuning for the hybrid software seems not to be optimized for our roads. Engine shutoff software seems to not like humps, maybe they dont have many humps in Japan.
Also suspension seems to be tuned for Japanese roads, seems slightly jittery over rough roads at higher speeds. Stiffer suspension but takes corners at speed really great.
Still getting around 6.1-6.5l/100KM plus I drive aggressively. 2 wheel drive option supposed to be better at 5.8l/100KM
Love the adaptive cruise control, not useable when the road is crowded with crazy drivers cutting in and out aggressively. As you get the software stamping hard on the brakes in panic whenever someone dangerously cuts infront of you. Works well in Slow traffic and off peak hours.
No problems so far knock on wood.

[drchaos]

more features, less $, better interior, a more modern look & japan built is a no-brainer for me

the daihatsu product would obv be cheapy hence the raize interior, less features etc. but it would appeal to those who can't afford a Rav4 but want the Rav4 look

both vehicles would appeal to 2 different customer bases

Moms looking for a retirement vehicle to roll around and carry out lil errands. She used a yaris for the last 8 years and with regular maintenance it was an exceptional vehicle.

It was a toss up between this
Vezel(almost everybody have it)
Xtrail

But would prefer to stick with toyota. Thanks for the assistance

Whats your definition of exceptional???
Or do you just mean reliable?

That vehicle was used as a daily from grande to piarco with the odd runs here and there. From monday to friday, gas gauge read just under half tank and we used premium.

Changed: tyres once, batteries twice(3rd might be soon), plugs.

In that 8 years, suspension still solid as a rock and drives very smooth and nice...Id take some interior pics, one would consider it as straight outa the showroom still.

Id say very very reliable after that time, cant really fault it for a daily. Shrugs shoulders

JDM yaris cross hybrid or you can get it from Toyota since they launching soon.
Plus it has a Li ion battery pack so better energy density, no need for rebalancing. Just make sure the vents and blower for the battery cooling is clean and clear.

[aaron17]

That JDM yaris from Toyota..I wonder if it coming with sun/moonroof?

[Xander_25]

Sorry for the late reply. This week was heavy one work-wise. Just wanted to reply to some of the comments/suggestions offered...

22 forester owner here. My options last year were the CX5, Crv and forester so I suspect your train of thought is same . So far so good 90% of parts is available from the us for my model if massy decides to play up they mc. I avg 5.5/6L per 100kms which rivals some hybrids. Safety was my #1 which is why I went Subaru. If your going RORO route then check out the crv as well.

Yes, my train of thought is the same. These three were the same on my radar after my little research done, so you're right on the money. Safety is top priority for me especially with all the emerging idiots that seem unsure of how driving actually works. I have been looking at the CRV as well so it's just a matter of making a decision. RORO for sure is where my mind is at as my wife and I have discussed it extensively, and are both in agreeance.

The CX5 is a comfortable and reliable vehicle. Zero issues to date. A regular proven 6 speed transmission will suit the hilly terrain. Premium fuel is however recommended and this may be an issue especially if you are looking at fuel economy.
Personally, I won’t recommend the new Tucson/Sportage due to the DCT tranny for the hilly terrain.

Thanks for the insight into the CX5. The fuel is no real issue to be honest; the vehicle I'm driving now as well as the Cerato I owned before I used premium, so no real qualms there. I prefer to stay clear of Massy as my experience with them was horrible, so I have no intentions of going there again and I read a few comments back about the same DCT tranny, so for sure I had no intent on a Tucson.

I have 2023 Grand Vitara, it's not so much that the engine is under powered. From my experience, its the gearing ratios on the vehilce's transmission. It tends to hold the higher gears longer (for efficiency reasons I assume), so sometime the car is in a higher gear when it should down shift to a lower gear to harness the engines output. That said, I took it to Maracas this past Saturday (loaded vehicle). I used the paddle shifters going up the hills and it worked fine. I could have also tried putting it into sport mode for better throttle response, but was not necessary when using the paddle shifters. Apart for the engine/tranny power delivery issue, it does check all the right boxes in terms of price, safety and tech. A great family vehicle. I also had a Subaru Forester, but the older SG5 XT. A new Forester and or Crosstrek is almost double the price of a fully loaded Grand Vitara. I could write a book on "Subaru-ism", loved my SG5, but a 2.0L boxer engine will drink gas, and the new SG5 does not come turbo charged at Massy, so it wont be anything special.

OK, ok.. noted and understood. Sounds like it really might be a viable option to some extent. I will take a look at it again and also ask my friend to take a tush in his as he told me whenever I want to test it I could. The first time drove my friend's Forester XT and the turbo spooled up, was the first time I saw a fuel guage decrease in real time. I literally thought something was wrong.

Being underpowered is relative and to be honest I would safely say that any vehicle on the road could take the hilly terrain of Maracas and even Tobago.

I've done several road trips across Tobago across the Main Ridge from Roxborough to Parlatuvier. Whilst I did it in a 4x4 SUV (not needing to ever use it) I have seen Almeras, b13s and Tiidas make that run. Even these type of vehicles make the Fond Pois Doux Road off the North Coast Road.

I have been to Barbados and rented a 1.3l Suzuki APV and made some steep hills close to Oistins and on the Eastern Atlantic side. And that van made those runs with 6 adults and one child in it.

While vehicle power has alot to do with the ability to overcome hills, proper driving technique, use of lower gears and constant and steady throttle control also significantly contributes to being able to drive on hilly terrain.

I think your vehicle choices are fine. My only concern with Suzuki is availability of parts. Having owned a Swift, I can say that Lifestyle did not have a large stock of parts and often, for some intermediate type repairs, a 3 month wait time was necessary to get the parts. Parts were also not widely available elsewhere.

Being from Tobago, you should consider servicing of your vehicle especially from a new car dealer (not grey market new car).

Personally, I'd stick with the Toyota (I have bias here) as my first choice. Subaru, Mazda and Nissan would then be the others I'd consider.

Your budget would also factor in and if you're budget is capped at a Grand Vitara, the others I mentioned may be out of reach.

If not, have a look at a CX5, RAV4 or another offering from TTTL or Mazda.

Good luck.

Hmm.. Ok lots of food for thought here. I honestly don't like Toyota much though I will agree on their durability/longevity. The servicing point I'd more than likely head to Trinidad for major servicing; the basics I'd do here (not the Suzuki if I decide to go that route. The garage that's authorized here is known for some questionable methods). My budget isn't capped at a Vitara, it was just one of the more reasonably priced options I saw, but I can go higher if needed. Also noted on the parts availability point; that is important because I'm a travelling officer, so having a vehicle be down for any extended period of time will be a problem. If I had to go otherwise, it would be between the CX5 and the CRV. The new RAV-4 is too agressive-looking imo, so that's totally off the table for me.

You've all given me a lot of information to chew on and this will help me make the best decision when I purchase. Thanks to everyone again who responded.

[Strugglerzinc]

Hyundai Kona to be available soon. From one of the sales person FB

HYBRID IS BACK AT HYUNDAI
We listened to your requests our loyal customer base and the decision was made to reintroduce a hybrid vehicle in the Hyundai Line up
The Kona Hybrid is expected to arrive In January 24 if all goes well.
▪️Yes you can pre book.
▪️2 Models expected to arrive
▪️Yes the N - Line model is coming
▪️ Yes it is under $300,000.
The KONA PREMIUM N-LINE: JAN ‘24
$285K - Limited Units at the introductory price (don’t procrastinate)
$3,125 a month with 10% DP ($28,500)
KONA HYBRID WE (Also expected) @ $249K
$2,730 a month with 10% DP ($24,900)

[nemisis]

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Just saw this after seeing y’all mention it. Wonder how this would affect the Corolla Cross Sales

[aaron17]

Gr may be more tho

[aaron17]

I never owned a hybrid tho. More headache

[death365]

I need to ask a question

the newest Honda Vezel and Toyota Yaris Cross available either new or foreign used, do the lights run all the time (not the daytime running lights or the auto lights when it becomes dark) because I have seen a few with all the lights on all the time - headlights/fog lights/brake lights. PED/PEE number plates.

I don't want to call out the drivers for being idiot drivers without knowing.

[A172]

only way for all to be on is if they put it on

because of the extra rung on the stalk for auto they think they put it in the off position when it still on a light selection

had a customer call saying her instrument panel dim during the day when that is exactly what she did

[aaron17]

Yuh know i thought the yaris cross rear red lights does always be on day or night because when the vehicle is off ...its like heavily tinted black and dont even show red for safety regulation purposes. Idk if thats just me orr.

[aaron17]

I see the new cross on the toyota website. With moonroof

[shake d livin wake d dead]

A172

You bringing the cross?

Mom def gonna buy it but I told her you guys said to wait on the FU dealers

[A172]

wait for what?

[aaron17]

I guess she 'sold' on hybrid and maintenance.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

wait for what?

Wait for Fu dealers to start bringing them

I guess she 'sold' on hybrid and maintenance.

Just based on her previous vehicle and reliability. We were going after the vezel(but that like tiida, all over the place)

[A172]

wait for what?

Wait for Fu dealers to start bringing them

I guess she 'sold' on hybrid and maintenance.

Just based on her previous vehicle and reliability. We were going after the vezel(but that like tiida, all over the place)

Lemme repeat cus like u didn't get it the first time

Just like the Rush, Toyota Trinidad is selling the Taiwan/Indonesian Yaris Cross from the Daihatsu New Global Architecture (DNGA) platform

FU dealers have access to the Japan/Europe spec Yaris Cross ONLY, which is a completely different vehicle based on Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform

This is the reason TTTL Yaris Cross has the interior from the Daihatsu Rocky

FU Dealers cannot/are not bringing the Daihatsu model

Understand now?

[kamakazi]

Aren't the rocky and the raise the same vehicle... The dihatsu Yaris Cross will be almost the same size then

[aaron17]

I guess Taiwan/ indo is like jus a glorified raize. And the euro spec is a better bet.

[A172]

As I said earlier in the thread, these are 2 different vehicles that cater to 2 different types of customers

It's always good to have options

[shake d livin wake d dead]

wait for what?

Wait for Fu dealers to start bringing them

I guess she 'sold' on hybrid and maintenance.

Just based on her previous vehicle and reliability. We were going after the vezel(but that like tiida, all over the place)

Lemme repeat cus like u didn't get it the first time

Just like the Rush, Toyota Trinidad is selling the Taiwan/Indonesian Yaris Cross from the Daihatsu New Global Architecture (DNGA) platform

FU dealers have access to the Japan/Europe spec Yaris Cross ONLY, which is a completely different vehicle based on Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform

This is the reason TTTL Yaris Cross has the interior from the Daihatsu Rocky

FU Dealers cannot/are not bringing the Daihatsu model

Understand now?

I got you the first time around. So seeing as you say, FU dealers have access to the Japan spec, do you anticipate any coming at all?

[A172]

That out since 2022, always in stock

[drchaos]

So to summarize

TTTL Yaris cross is more like a Raize (Daihatsu)

Foreign New/Used Yaris cross is a Yaris cross (Toyota)

[A172]

[aaron17]

What about the foreign used raize hybrid ..any other extra features apart from batt.?

[zando]

wait for what?

Wait for Fu dealers to start bringing them

I guess she 'sold' on hybrid and maintenance.

Just based on her previous vehicle and reliability. We were going after the vezel(but that like tiida, all over the place)

Lemme repeat cus like u didn't get it the first time

Just like the Rush, Toyota Trinidad is selling the Taiwan/Indonesian Yaris Cross from the Daihatsu New Global Architecture (DNGA) platform

FU dealers have access to the Japan/Europe spec Yaris Cross ONLY, which is a completely different vehicle based on Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform

This is the reason TTTL Yaris Cross has the interior from the Daihatsu Rocky

FU Dealers cannot/are not bringing the Daihatsu model

Understand now?

Did some research on this also, the interiors look pretty different imo, the Rockys interior looks more down scale, the Yaris cross interior looks nicer, I don't really know if I see what the big deal is honestly, lots of vehicles share platforms, doesn't mean they'll be exactly the same.

[drchaos]

wait for what?

Wait for Fu dealers to start bringing them

I guess she 'sold' on hybrid and maintenance.

Just based on her previous vehicle and reliability. We were going after the vezel(but that like tiida, all over the place)

Lemme repeat cus like u didn't get it the first time

Just like the Rush, Toyota Trinidad is selling the Taiwan/Indonesian Yaris Cross from the Daihatsu New Global Architecture (DNGA) platform

FU dealers have access to the Japan/Europe spec Yaris Cross ONLY, which is a completely different vehicle based on Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform

This is the reason TTTL Yaris Cross has the interior from the Daihatsu Rocky

FU Dealers cannot/are not bringing the Daihatsu model

Understand now?

Did some research on this also, the interiors look pretty different imo, the Rockys interior looks more down scale, the Yaris cross interior looks nicer, I don't really know if I see what the big deal is honestly, lots of vehicles share platforms, doesn't mean they'll be exactly the same.

It does make a huge difference ...

Ive owned a German made VW and a Mexican VW
Ive also had a Japanese built Honda and Thai built Honda
Ive also had a JDM Nissan and Thai built Nissan

There is a big difference between the First world Built/Spec cars vs the third-world built cars.
Features, Fit and finish, random noises, reliability. You can literally see the quality differences between the welded joints.

[A172]

ask Rush owners their experiences with that vehicle & their Dealer

but yh "no big difference"

[A172]

men always complaining how TTTL raping them with hot prices for basic vehicles yet aint find it sus they selling this vehicle this cheap in their lineup

3rd world vehicles for 3rd world buyers

[drchaos]

ask Rush owners their experiences with that vehicle & their Dealer

but yh "no big difference"

Saw a rush the other day trying to make it into the car park for Gulf View medical, there is a small incline.

Driver tried multiple angles and still couldn't make it. Old ass mitsu Lancer after he gave up went up it like a champ first try