T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[worksux101]

Any reviews on the 2020-2022 Prado? Considering purchasing

[carluva]

Prados are very good vehicles.

However, for the price of one, I do think they are grossly over priced for what is not really considered a true luxury vehicle.

Oddly enough, I was chatting today with a colleague who suggested that the TX gas models from HSM are quite good for the price and a much better value proposition that the VX and VX-L sold at TTTL.

With that budget, I would imagine that there may be some other vehicles that will outclass a Prado.

Prado is a vehicle I would like to own but just can't bring myself to get at the exorbitant price.

Curious, what's your reason for zooming in on the Prado as a new ride?

[wing]

Any reviews on the 2020-2022 Prado? Considering purchasing

Maybe you can wait to see if the CX-60 will be available locally. 2.5 liter phev .....323hp, 368 lb/ft.... should be available by years end.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/suvs/n ... ets-322bhp

[agent007]

Prado TX-L 2.7 from Japan is $880k brand new from HSM. Leather, sunroof, touch screen, camera, electric seats, full compliment of power features, true part time 4wd with low range, torque converter automatic, naturally aspirated engine, side steps, parking sensors, LED lights etc.

Buy and carry it to TTTL to apply software updates etc. Change your oil and filters yourself cause I don't think you would need warranty assistance with a Prado. This is not some rebadged Daihatsu or Thailand made product. This is pure Japanese designed and built Toyota using a regular stepped torque converter automatic. It guaranteed to last you so long that you can keep it for your great grand kids to show them what a true SUV is made of especially with that reliable 2TR-FE non direct injected engine.

If you into end times/apocalyptic prepping, then the Prado is a top contender.

[worksux101]

Prados are very good vehicles.

However, for the price of one, I do think they are grossly over priced for what is not really considered a true luxury vehicle.

Oddly enough, I was chatting today with a colleague who suggested that the TX gas models from HSM are quite good for the price and a much better value proposition that the VX and VX-L sold at TTTL.

With that budget, I would imagine that there may be some other vehicles that will outclass a Prado.

Prado is a vehicle I would like to own but just can't bring myself to get at the exorbitant price.

Curious, what's your reason for zooming in on the Prado as a new ride?

Quite simply, present state of our roads. It's a bit frustrating playing dodgems with the bmw, and there seems to be no improvement on the horizon, so it's all about reliability while providing a good ride.

I fully agree with everything you said as I have always felt that way about Prados/land cruisers, and never in a million years thought I'd find myself thinking of purchasing one. But, here I am, needs must

Wing, I've had two vehicles from SSL...won't go near them with a stick.

Will check HSM and look into bringing one myself. Seems vastly overpriced at the firm. Thanks fellas.

[A172]

just bring it yourself and save a couple hundred
k

all u need is $45k usd and $365k ttd for customs/misc fees

[Gladiator]

Prado TX-L 2.7 from Japan is $880k brand new from HSM. Leather, sunroof, touch screen, camera, electric seats, full compliment of power features, true part time 4wd with low range, torque converter automatic, naturally aspirated engine, side steps, parking sensors, LED lights etc.

Buy and carry it to TTTL to apply software updates etc. Change your oil and filters yourself cause I don't think you would need warranty assistance with a Prado. This is not some rebadged Daihatsu or Thailand made product. This is pure Japanese designed and built Toyota using a regular stepped torque converter automatic. It guaranteed to last you so long that you can keep it for your great grand kids to show them what a true SUV is made of especially with that reliable 2TR-FE non direct injected engine.

If you into end times/apocalyptic prepping, then the Prado is a top contender.

LOL you crack me up with your Toyota fables yes...

I have known two prado owners with new ones from the firm who have experienced Multiple AC evaporator failures, Premature shock failures, premature transmission mount failure and fuel system issues.

Added to that the vehicle drives like a boat, it is severely underpowered and has a lackluster interior plagued with painted plastics and lack of tech. But hey... your indian chariot awaits...lol

[carluva]

Prados are very good vehicles.

However, for the price of one, I do think they are grossly over priced for what is not really considered a true luxury vehicle.

Oddly enough, I was chatting today with a colleague who suggested that the TX gas models from HSM are quite good for the price and a much better value proposition that the VX and VX-L sold at TTTL.

With that budget, I would imagine that there may be some other vehicles that will outclass a Prado.

Prado is a vehicle I would like to own but just can't bring myself to get at the exorbitant price.

Curious, what's your reason for zooming in on the Prado as a new ride?

Quite simply, present state of our roads. It's a bit frustrating playing dodgems with the bmw, and there seems to be no improvement on the horizon, so it's all about reliability while providing a good ride.

I fully agree with everything you said as I have always felt that way about Prados/land cruisers, and never in a million years thought I'd find myself thinking of purchasing one. But, here I am, needs must

Wing, I've had two vehicles from SSL...won't go near them with a stick.

Will check HSM and look into bringing one myself. Seems vastly overpriced at the firm. Thanks fellas.

So, you have a BMW, so perhaps you're not as Euro averse as I am. With that kind of budget, why not go after the Land Rover Defender. That is far more capable than a Prado and loads classier on the interior. This is probably the one Euro vehicle I won't mind.

If you are thinking of owning a vehicle which handles our roads, I would imagine that your best bang for buck is a van. At more than 50% the cost of a Prado, most vans can comfortably handle our roads and don't need to be pampered. Plus you can upgrade suspension components to still look OEM while gaining superior road handling ability.

If you genuinely feel as though you want a step up from a van (relatively speaking) have a look at the Fortuner (new, grey market or import yourself). It's a truly capable vehicle and being a bit smaller than the Prado, feels a bit more put together.

I have the older KUN-51 model doing 100k+ and that vehicle is a tank. As an example, some roads that I have driven through pretty aggressively include Pierre Road connector, Gran Coiva main road and Toco Road especially by the quarry on the flats. I won't trust doing what I do on those roads in a Prado... Defender, most definitely. Plus later this year, I will be upgrading the coils, struts and coilovers to something better than the original while getting the ability to handle our roads even better. Plus the vehicle will not be lifted and will maintain the original height and look.

I am not familiar with BMW off road ability, but is yours an all wheel drive or 4X4? The reason I ask is that the latter tend to have much more robust suspension components which can handle some more abuse than the same in an all wheel drive. If so, it's very likely that engineered suspensions are available to better improve ride handling and allow you to be a bit more aggressive with our roads. Sometimes, the easiest fix to the road problem is not necessarily to upgrade the vehicle but upgrade your suspension.

Care to share what year and model of BMW you have and perhaps I can offer some suspension suggestions?

[agent007]

^^thats the diesel version from Thailand. The gas version from Japan will have better build quality.

[nick639v2]

Thoughts on the new forester anyone? Toss up between that or the crv maybe even the cx5( though southern sales is my turn off this is the extremely last resort) in terms of reliability and overall better vehicle in the long run??

[agent007]

Cx5 @ 361k
Our version of the fully loaded cx5 lacks the awd and sunroof but you do get that killer bose sound system. If you could live without the sunroof and awd and don't mind saving a lot of coin, then cx5 is your answer. Mazda today is all about precision engineering, so I doubt you will need warranty intervention and SS support for the first 5 years. It uses an Aisin supplied 6AT torque converter transmission which appears to be pretty okay for reliability.

CRV @ 430k:
You've got power, space and features. You also have a giant pano roof and awd. You need to decide if it's worth the additional $69k climb on the cx5.

Forester @ 490k:
If it's safety you're looking for and your argument is you can't put a price on one's life, then Forester is your mauby and the Volvo XC60 is your champagne. The EyeSight system alone gives assurance and confidence. It has a Harman Kardon sound system that sounds beautiful, a large sunroof and that awesome awd and ground clearance. If this is worth the additional climb of 60k over the CRV and a massive 129k climb over a CX5 then this is ultimately a very personal call. You decide they fall.

If you hate CVTs then CX5.
If you love music then CX5.
If you love the outdoors then Forester.
If you into safety then Forester.
If you love power then CRV.
If you are pro Japanese then CX5 and Forester (both are built in good ole Nippon)

If it were me, buy the CX5 and take the $129k extra for the Forester and buy a piece of land somewhere or buy a roro non hybrid Axio to use on rainy days and keep said CX5 sheltered lol.

The most reliable should be the CX5 being fwd non turbo. The engine is not under the pressure of forced induction and the transmission is powering the front wheels only. So less moving parts, less wear and no rear diff to maintain etc. You also get theoretically better fuel economy. The cheaper CRV @ 415k is also hard to ignore.

I'm just glad you avoided the Sportage and Tucson but you should have included the RAV4 though.

NB. Given the fluid state of world economies, forex rates and supply issues, those prices may actually be more today.

[nick639v2]

Completely forgot about the rav4, but Being fwd I think that’s a match for the cx5 and I would choose the cx5 over rav4. The RED cx5 just caught moms eyes and after viewing, it’s a lovely driving atmosphere inside..that’s why it was thrown into the mix.

Definitely no Hyundais/Kias home here, countless times we got burned owning sonatas etc so it just wasn’t in any consideration at all.
Japs over Koreans for me.

The main fight and why it’s a hard decision is because we’re getting the I-S variant after discount lines us up squarely with the crv. I never owned a sunroof vehicle and I think at 30 I can’t live the fantasy of sticking my head out of it while daddy drives anymore sadly lol.

I think I need to convince her test drives instead of window shopping yes. Though I would love to finally have one of my bucket list brands (Subaru and Audi) in the garage. I just want her to be comfortable and safe driving.

Good points as always and thanks for your input. I’ll call and organize test drives then post the hands on verdicts

[Gladiator]

Completely forgot about the rav4, but Being fwd I think that’s a match for the cx5 and I would choose the cx5 over rav4. The RED cx5 just caught moms eyes and after viewing, it’s a lovely driving atmosphere inside..that’s why it was thrown into the mix.

Definitely no Hyundais/Kias home here, countless times we got burned owning sonatas etc so it just wasn’t in any consideration at all.
Japs over Koreans for me.

The main fight and why it’s a hard decision is because we’re getting the I-S variant after discount lines us up squarely with the crv. I never owned a sunroof vehicle and I think at 30 I can’t live the fantasy of sticking my head out of it while daddy drives anymore sadly lol.

I think I need to convince her test drives instead of window shopping yes. Though I would love to finally have one of my bucket list brands (Subaru and Audi) in the garage. I just want her to be comfortable and safe driving.

Good points as always and thanks for your input. I’ll call and organize test drives then post the hands on verdicts

Japan Motors has the Offroad Adventure RAV4 AWD for $455k brand new... not a bad buy!

[Dizzy28]

Saw a Kia Sales Rep quote prices for the Cerato significantly different from pg 1
Roughly $200k and $231k for the two versions respectively.

1st page prices are $186,849.33 1.6 LX and $218,217.71 1.6 GT.

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[agent007]

Waste of money. Better buy a Corolla or Mazda3 instead. More and more I get to realize what utter garbage those vehicles are. I saw PEB and PEC Kia’s, literally brand new with blown bulbs especially backlights, ID lights and reverse lights. If they can’t get bulbs right then what else are they cutting back on?

[aaron17]

Waste of money. Better buy a Corolla or Mazda3 instead. More and more I get to realize what utter garbage those vehicles are. I saw PEB and PEC Kia’s, literally brand new with blown bulbs especially backlights, ID lights and reverse lights. If they can’t get bulbs right then what else are they cutting back on?

Saw the new origami elantra with only one drl workin.

[agent007]

Not surprised...

[aaron17]

Wished the cx50 was here. Better looking than cx5

[aaron17]

Any reviews on the 2020-2022 Prado? Considering purchasing

Maybe you can wait to see if the CX-60 will be available locally. 2.5 liter phev .....323hp, 368 lb/ft.... should be available by years end.2022_mazda_cx-60_global_still_24_highres.jpg2022_mazda_cx-60_global_still_25_highres.jpg2022MazdaCX-60Takumi.jpg
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/suvs/n ... ets-322bhp

that piece of front headlight looks like first gen mazda bt50

[zando]

Waste of money. Better buy a Corolla or Mazda3 instead. More and more I get to realize what utter garbage those vehicles are. I saw PEB and PEC Kia’s, literally brand new with blown bulbs especially backlights, ID lights and reverse lights. If they can’t get bulbs right then what else are they cutting back on?

Saw the new origami elantra with only one drl workin.

Lmaoo that is hilaaarioussss, I was waiting for that to happen

[Wolfgang123]

Are we getting the Mazda cx-50 and if so what you guys think the price will be?. Wouldn't mind getting one of those if it reaches our shores.

[wing]

Are we getting the Mazda cx-50 and if so what you guys think the price will be?. Wouldn't mind getting one of those if it reaches our shores.

USDM only

[Gladiator]

Waste of money. Better buy a Corolla or Mazda3 instead. More and more I get to realize what utter garbage those vehicles are. I saw PEB and PEC Kia’s, literally brand new with blown bulbs especially backlights, ID lights and reverse lights. If they can’t get bulbs right then what else are they cutting back on?

Saw the new origami elantra with only one drl workin.

A guy at work has one reverse light working on his brand new Sportage, when someone point it out to him... he said SS tell him that's how the German cars work... ... I sheeet you not

[Dave]

Don't be quick to discount that. Some locally sold vehicles came with one reverse light. The last model Cruze came with one. I also have a one off that was sold with one reverse light. The other side is a red reflector.
I have never observed the Sportage models so I don't know. Brake lights are typically the led type which gives the issue not the turn and reverse units as those regular style filament bulbs.

[david12]

So... you all had me looking at cars in traffic to see the reverse light situation. I noticed that the local C12 Versa and a Jetta both have 1 reverse light. So one taillight is clear where the reverse light is and the other is a red reflector. I suspect that some of the European or Korean assembled vehicles that are intended for export come like this. Just speculation, not entirely sure. Can someone confirm?

[Gladiator]

So... you all had me looking at cars in traffic to see the reverse light situation. I noticed that the local C12 Versa and a Jetta both have 1 reverse light. So one taillight is clear where the reverse light is and the other is a red reflector. I suspect that some of the European or Korean assembled vehicles that are intended for export come like this. Just speculation, not entirely sure. Can someone confirm?

As an owner of two "german" cars, what you might be seeing there is the rear fog light. It is usually a clear diffuser with a light than can be turned on and off in the event of low visibility.

Most vehicles with the single reverse light have them in the middle, not so? I doubt they would put one on one side and leave the other side bare... i duuno???

[david12]

So... you all had me looking at cars in traffic to see the reverse light situation. I noticed that the local C12 Versa and a Jetta both have 1 reverse light. So one taillight is clear where the reverse light is and the other is a red reflector. I suspect that some of the European or Korean assembled vehicles that are intended for export come like this. Just speculation, not entirely sure. Can someone confirm?

As an owner of two "german" cars, what you might be seeing there is the rear fog light. It is usually a clear diffuser with a light than can be turned on and off in the event of low visibility.

Most vehicles with the single reverse light have them in the middle, not so? I doubt they would put one on one side and leave the other side bare... i duuno???

Stole this pic from an ad, hopefully I don't get in trouble and excuse the poor drawing. In the case of the Cruze it's a single rear reverse light.

[agent007]

The roro imported Corolla Altis from Singapore that was made in Thailand came with 1 reverse light.

The local March K13 that was made in India came with 1 reverse light (same goes for the Indian made Versa).

Anyway I saw a fairly new Kia Sportage yesterday in Cocorite with a piece of its rear l/s suspension arm hanging onto the road in addition to its obligatory defective reverse light.

Recently, I went up to check what the fuss was all about with this new Paramin lookout and I witnessed a fwd Tucson 1.6T cook its clutch and destroy its front tyres just to climb up that steep gradient.

What made matters worse for Tucson driver is that because of the traffic the lookout is gathering/attracting, there is a lot of stop and going on your way up which causes the vehicle to obviously lose its momentum and thus gearing down the transmission. When driver applies brakes to avoid roll back whilst riding clutch and then "mash down" for the kick down, we heard a snap and front tyres begging for grip. Another gentle reminder that me ain't want nothing to do with them DCTs.

MG HS owners probably shouldn't bother going up there because those vehicles weren't even designed properly for flat roads, worse yet for 18% paramin inclines.

Meanwhile a Forester CVT made the climb so effortlessly with 21 less hp and 69Nm less torque lol.

[Dizzy28]

The roro imported Corolla Altis from Singapore that was made in Thailand came with 1 reverse light.

The local March K13 that was made in India came with 1 reverse light (same goes for the Indian made Versa).

Anyway I saw a fairly new Kia Sportage yesterday in Cocorite with a piece of its rear l/s suspension arm hanging onto the road in addition to its obligatory defective reverse light.

Recently, I went up to check what the fuss was all about with this new Paramin lookout and I witnessed a fwd Tucson 1.6T cook its clutch and destroy its front tyres just to climb up that steep gradient.

What made matters worse for Tucson driver is that because of the traffic the lookout is gathering/attracting, there is a lot of stop and going on your way up which causes the vehicle to obviously lose its momentum and thus gearing down the transmission. When driver applies brakes to avoid roll back whilst riding clutch and then "mash down" for the kick down, we heard a snap and front tyres begging for grip. Another gentle reminder that me ain't want nothing to do with them DCTs.

MG HS owners probably shouldn't bother going up there because those vehicles weren't even designed properly for flat roads, worse yet for 18% paramin inclines.

Meanwhile a Forester CVT made the climb so effortlessly with 21 less hp and 69Nm less torque lol.

I have the 2.0l 6AT 2016 Tucson with 4X4. I should be safe on that run??

[agent007]

Yes you should. Your system kicks in when the front wheels start to slip in which case, the rear diff is engaged to route torque to the back wheels. Even though it is fwd biased, you will make it up with ease. I saw AD Van's and Aquas up there so you're good.

The unique characteristics of trying to climb a steep incline with a DCT in stop and go traffic can pose quite a challenge for those 1.6t 2wd Tucsons and others alike (especially when the road is damp cause that area has frequent sprinkles).