T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[Rory Phoulorie]

I have a 2016 Vitara AllGrip that I bought from new and is going on about 67,000km.

The only problem that I encountered with it is that the front passenger power window recently stopped working to send the window down. However, it was replaced under warranty (5 years warranty) by Lifestyle the same day that I dropped into service.

I get between 450km and 500km to a tank of fuel (super).

The 2016 model has one USB port in front and a 12V socket that you can use with one of those USB adapters to get 3 USB ports in the front.

There are no air vents or USB ports for the rear passengers. However, the a/c is able to cool the entire vehicle comfortably in the current heat that we are experiencing. There is a 12V outlet in the cargo area that you can connect a USB adapter to and run some long USB cables for rear passengers to use (or just use the same long USB cables from the front).

In terms of safety, with the 2016 AllGrip you get AWD, ABS, hill descent control, traction control, parking sensors (front and rear), auto headlights, auto wipers and 7 airbags. I believe the new AllGrip model comes with a reverse camera in addition to the aforementioned.

It pulls okay with four adults in it, but it is only a naturally aspirated 1.6L 4 cylinder engine.

The interior has a lot of scratchy hard plastic surfaces, but then again, most new vehicles being sold now have the same.

In terms of servicing, the service costs are no more expensive than the other dealerships (I have also maintained new vehicles with Diamond Motors, Massy Motors, and Toyota Trinidad and Tobago). As I indicated above, in the three years that I have had the vehicle, the only non-normal service part that had to be replaced was a power window switch and Lifestyle had it in stock.

[MDtuner70]

Hi Chyna,

Welcome to the forums and to this thread. You are on the right path to buying something descent. A non impulse purchase where one would have put some thought into it, is usually a good purchase and less likely to have buyer remorse.

That said, let's analyze your requirements in summary:

Crossover/SUV or sedan
Family of 4, used up to 7 days a week
$230-$300k
6-7 airbags + all safety features + isofix
Push start
Rear AC vents
Front and rear camera
Awd
1+ USB ports

Based on the above, you would not be able to check all those boxes for that price range.

The price range limits you to:

Toyota Rush
Honda HRV
Nissan Qashqai
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross
Mitsubishi ASX
Mazda CX-3
Suzuki Vitara
Suzuki SX4 S-Cross
Suzuki Ignis
Subaru XV
Hyundai i20 Activ
Hyundai Venue
Hyundai Creta
Hyundai Tucson
Kia Seltos
Kia Niro
Kia Sportage
Chevrolet Trax
Chevrolet Equinox
Ford EcoSport

AWD models are CX-3, Vitara and XV. To get that awd, you would need to go to the highest spec CX-3 at SS and the AllGrip model of the Vitara. The XV has it standard.

The only ones on that list with 7 airbags is the Vitara GLX and above and any model of the XV.

All the higher trimmed versions of the above vehicles have the proximity key/keyless entry and push button start system. Some of those vehicles have them standard.

In terms of rear AC vents, then your options are Seltos, Sportage, Tucson and Equinox.

None of the above options have 360 camera within that price range.

And for USB ports, most should have at least 1 on the dash, 1 in the center console and maybe 1 for the rear seat passengers but the latter is a stretch. You would need to check them out individually to confirm.

Then we have the issue with airbags. Unfortunately, some still start with just 2 airbags and as you climb in the model range, then you get 6 etc.

So stuff like the Qashqai and Seltos are eliminated with just 2. I know there is a Hyundai model in that list with only 2 but I cant recall which one exactly.

2 special mentions are the most fully equipped Vitara GLX+ AllGrip for $253k. It has the 7 airbags, the safety kit, the awd etc.

The Subaru XV 1.6i-S Eyesight is $299k and the I-S non Eyesight is $269k. It has the best ground clearance, standard 7 airbags and awd, rear camera routed on a large 8" touch screen. The Eyesight package gives you forward collision mitigation and reverse auto braking etc etc.

Or if you can minus the awd and crash Mitigation then I hate to admit this because I personally dislike the Kia Sportage but said Sportage in fully loaded 1.6 GDi guise will give you a good package for $268k.

Good luck.

Fantastic

[Chyna]

Hi Rory,
Good info. Thanks so much for detailed response. It's reassuring to note where the faulty part was replaced on same day notification at service. This is good as I have read within forum of some issues with LM and replacements, but I guess all dealerships come with their pros and cons.

I do have some hills and rough terrain on weekends, so the AllGrip is a plus and some 'oomph' is definitely welcome.

All things being equal once this pandemic is over and things have stabilized, the Vitara All Grip is on my list to test drive. Thanks much.
This forum is definitely helpful! Keep up the good work guys.

Tl

[Pirate]

The Subaru XV sounds good for your purposes.
The basic model for around $229K has all the features with the exception of Push Start which is not really much of a feature and you don't have to worry about "losing your keys while driving" as it will be in the proper location, in the ignition.
It has 3 USBs with one in the rear as well so handy for back seat usage. As a plus it has Apple Car Play and Android Auto built in.
It starts at the lower end of your budget (big plus) and also with the Covid 19 outbreak you can negotiate the hell out of the price. At least a 15% down payment will help your case a lot.

Brochure:
https://ss-usa.s3.amazonaws.com/c/30847 ... u%20XV.pdf

Safety Awards:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/ ... d752df3d32

when you post some advise but was at the end of the previous page...


FYI it has front, passenger, side, curtain and knee airbags standard.

[agent007]

Take a look at that pic guys. It appears a 3 year service package is included!

Does anyone have any experience with the 1.0 3 cylinder turbo EcoSport?

[Chyna]

Hey Pirate,
I got what you was saying though lol. Thanks. The XV sure is a contender.

[supercharged turbo]

Which would be a better option between the NHR and a new model 2 door dmax?I saw you posted that it doesn't come with factory A/C and although that 10k-12k mightn't be extreme,a simple feature like power windows made me lean more towards the H100 rather than K2700.I'm planning to start construction of my home in the coming months,so that will be the main purpose of the vehicle and it will remain for a few years well.

For me the NHR wins over the K2700 and H100 because it has a slightly better payload capacity, a 2.8 engine and is $155k. The Kia is a 2.7 at $154k and the H100 is a 2.6 at $145k (Providing these prices are current).

The reputation of the NHR and resale attached to it vs the 2 korean cousins alone is what wins for me. Also, no commercial korean diesel engine could come close to diesel expert isuzu.

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[agent007]

So the NHR 55E 07 would be around $167k with air conditioning. The 2 door single cab 2wd 2.5 dmax is $150k.

The difference of $17k in favour of a bigger tray, more pay load capacity, double wheels at the back, a more spacious cab, bigger torquier engine, auto locks, power windows and the probability of higher resale value.

Choice is clear! If garage space is tight and you want something more nimble, perhaps something easier for the madam to drive then the dmax might be better.

[Kronik]

Which would be a better option between the NHR and a new model 2 door dmax?I saw you posted that it doesn't come with factory A/C and although that 10k-12k mightn't be extreme,a simple feature like power windows made me lean more towards the H100 rather than K2700.I'm planning to start construction of my home in the coming months,so that will be the main purpose of the vehicle and it will remain for a few years well.

For me the NHR wins over the K2700 and H100 because it has a slightly better payload capacity, a 2.8 engine and is $155k. The Kia is a 2.7 at $154k and the H100 is a 2.6 at $145k (Providing these prices are current).

The reputation of the NHR and resale attached to it vs the 2 korean cousins alone is what wins for me. Also, no commercial korean diesel engine could come close to diesel expert isuzu.

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I am looking for a vehicle for the same purpose, before I had the NHR as one of my choices, I didn't let the power windows of the h100 rope me in, as I thought more about the purpose of the vehicle, the lower tray and double wheel of the k2700 make it the better choice for my purpose, when you have to load/offload items on the tray by hand, you will cuss the higher tray of the h100. There are kits to convert the manual windows to automatic of the k2700, plus automatic Windows fail, manual don't.

When i saw the NHR though, and saw the size of the cabin, along with the other things listed by agent007, the choice was clear.

Buy the vehicle best suited to the purpose. That extra money to do the AC in the NHR is small thing for the long run aspect

[agent007]

Agreed. We also have a NP300 S s/c 2wd that came with manual windows and locks. We installed an alarm system with power locks and I purchased the power window kit online and got that installed too. We got to think entrepreneurial in times of uncertainty and I think these Isuzu trucks can facilitate that goal. Maybe when construction is over, you can use it for another income stream.

[supercharged turbo]

Thanks for the advice fellas.My mind settled now on the NHR.

[PariaMan]

Maybe be the next face lift hilux

[supercharged turbo]

Looks like a ranger

[PariaMan]

https://gaadiwaadi.com/2021-toyota-hilu ... dates/amp/

Looks like a ranger

[SLVR1]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

[Pirate]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

If you are looking at those, you should also consider the Subaru XV. It should be slightly roomier as well as the wheelbase, length and width is bigger than the HRV and CX3.
One fun fact, only the XV has a double wishbone suspension setup.
As a plus you don't have to deal with SS, however not sure about ANSA.


Best bet is to take a test drive of all 3 before buying.

[mitch1980]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

If you are looking at those, you should also consider the Subaru XV. It should be slightly roomier as well as the wheelbase, length and width is bigger than the HRV and CX3.
One fun fact, only the XV has a double wishbone suspension setup.
As a plus you don't have to deal with SS, however not sure about ANSA.


Best bet is to take a test drive of all 3 before buying.

Subaru XV is sold by Massy Motors

Honda sold by ANSA Auto.

[Pirate]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

If you are looking at those, you should also consider the Subaru XV. It should be slightly roomier as well as the wheelbase, length and width is bigger than the HRV and CX3.
One fun fact, only the XV has a double wishbone suspension setup.
As a plus you don't have to deal with SS, however not sure about ANSA.


Best bet is to take a test drive of all 3 before buying.

Subaru XV is sold by Massy Motors

Honda sold by ANSA Auto.

Meant that if you don't buy the CX3 you don't have to deal with SS.
With ANSA i never got any really bad feedback, more middle of the pack.
Assumed everyone knew Massy sold the Subaru...

[wing]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

If you are looking at those, you should also consider the Subaru XV. It should be slightly roomier as well as the wheelbase, length and width is bigger than the HRV and CX3.
One fun fact, only the XV has a double wishbone suspension setup.
As a plus you don't have to deal with SS, however not sure about ANSA.


Best bet is to take a test drive of all 3 before buying.

Subaru XV is sold by Massy Motors

Honda sold by ANSA Auto.

Meant that if you don't buy the CX3 you don't have to deal with SS.
With ANSA i never got any really bad feedback, more middle of the pack.
Assumed everyone knew Massy sold the Subaru...

Such a shame that the SS reputation putting off persons from checking out vehicles like the CX3 or even the upcoming CX30 which seems to be a superior option to the XV or Vezel/HRV.

[Gladiator]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

If you are looking at those, you should also consider the Subaru XV. It should be slightly roomier as well as the wheelbase, length and width is bigger than the HRV and CX3.
One fun fact, only the XV has a double wishbone suspension setup.
As a plus you don't have to deal with SS, however not sure about ANSA.


Best bet is to take a test drive of all 3 before buying.

Subaru XV is sold by Massy Motors

Honda sold by ANSA Auto.

Meant that if you don't buy the CX3 you don't have to deal with SS.
With ANSA i never got any really bad feedback, more middle of the pack.
Assumed everyone knew Massy sold the Subaru...

Such a shame that the SS reputation putting off persons from checking out vehicles like the CX3 or even the upcoming CX30 which seems to be a superior option to the XV or Vezel/HRV.

Well since you brought it up this is my list of SS horror stories:

1. Lady bought a Sorento $500k+ and it started giving trouble after 6 months. Vehicle spent many nights at SS who bull sheiting the lady until they admit that the problem is the engine that they not willing to replace or give any refund. She is currently paying installments and the vehicle park up at SS more than 4 months now.

2. A co worker has a Sportage and the oil light kept flashing. She went to SS who wanted $1200 before they started working on it. Their diagnosis was drop the engine remove the oil pan and "service it" replace the oil pump. Of course they had no parts and was going to keep the vehicle for 3+ months to do the necessary. It was diagnosed by me... tell her to changed the oil pressure sender and that was that. $200 job by a side road mechanic.

3. Pardner of mine works in the SS lease dept. he said don't buy the Audi because they don't carry any parts and swap out parts from new vehicles for warranty issues on cars they sell. The car you buy may have had dozens of parts removed and replaced before you buy it. I cant confirm but the guy working there 10+ years.

4. Boss have a brand new A6... park it up and it leaking oil. Went to SS and they say the oil pump faulty. Vehicle have less than 5000km. Change the oil pump under warranty but want to charge for the oil. After some cuss they take back the bill.

5. Co worker with the Sportage back glass get shoot up at a car wash. 3 months + to get a replacement from the company.

SS has some good cars, but I for one not willing to get any headache with a company that don't really care for after sales support.

[SLVR1]

Thanks for the comments so far. A company I worked for purchased Nissan and Subaru vehicles and I was not impressed with their service etc. but parts were readily available. For me Subaru is out. I have heard of the nightmare stories from SS but what I am reading here is atrocious on the part of SS. I have had dealings with ANSA and I can vouch that most parts are available but service is mediocre. I have no issue servicing my own vehicle so I wanted to hear if anyone had actual issues owning a CX3 (reliability, mechanical issues, performance etc.) or a HRV.

[agent007]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

That's a tough one. What we need to find out is if both SS and Classic Motors currently stock those 2 models and if they do, what do they have available. At one point in time, you could have gotten a CX3 2.0 awd for around $300k. There's not much on the road but I recall seeing one. They handle nicely and the performance is tops for the class (powerful 2.0 plus light weight body).

The HRV has a R18 engine and 5AT transmission that dates back to the 8th gen FA2 Civic launched back in 2005. Though performance is still descent, it IMO will always be 2nd to a CX3.

I saw some comments on the Subaru XV and may I add that it should not be ruled out. While I agree Massy is not the best dealership, I'll take them over SS any day. The immediate downfall of the XV is its performance due to its weight and having a 1.6 engine. I found that despite the CVT, the immediate throttle response seems to be very sharp. That acceleration curve flattens out by the time you hit 100 because let's just face it, powering 2 axles on a permanent awd system will suck power.

That said, it does have its advantages. Firstly, NO OTHER small crossover comes close to the XV in offroad capability. The permanent symmetrical awd system and class leading 8.7inches or 220mm ground clearance are reassuring. I'm not saying you're ready to slay a Jeep Wrangler or a Toyota Hilux off the beaten path, but what I'm saying is, go through some dirt roads and some steepish slippery inclines and that little XV will embarrass crossovers costing more and can surprise you.

I am new to the brand. I've always been a fan of Mazda, Toyota, Honda and Nissan etc but our newest ride is a Subaru and I can tell you, the longitudinal engine layout, the boxer 4 that is so smooth, its inherent design negates the use of dual counter rotating balance shafts to reduce NVH levels. The safety cage alone of that new Subaru Global Platform sharpens handling and increases torsional rigidity by a considerable margin over the previous gen XV. I am willing to bet that the chassis strength of said previous XV is superior to current crossover offerings.

Standard 17" alloys, all wheel disc brakes, 7 airbags and a 6.5" touch screen display with smart phone interface is hard to pass up for the entry model. You would see in pg. 1 that the XV starts at 229k and can climb in the high 300s for the 2.0 i-S Eyesight package. Having crash mitigation and other accident avoidance features makes it even more desirable. If the 2.0 is too much of a stretch then it's available in 1.6 i-S Eyesight as well.

Amongst the small mainstream crossover SUVs available locally, only the Qashqai, CX3, Vitara and XV are available with awd. I'm also willing to bet, those other contenders cannot match the overal features, safety and capability of the Subaru. I must address a major deterrent about boxer engines. Spark plugs can be a pain to change where you may have to remove say the battery or a portion of the intake manifold to reach said plugs but the good thing is, the OEM plugs are iridium which is rated for 100,000kms. So in other words, for a high usage owner, you're looking at after 3 years before entertaining that thought.

It doesn't matter what you eventually settle for, once its not a Qashqai or Sportage. Both are absolute rubbish IMO.

[SLVR1]

Agent007, what are your thoughts on the CX3 vs the HRV? Anyone else feel free to join in.

That's a tough one. What we need to find out is if both SS and Classic Motors currently stock those 2 models and if they do, what do they have available. At one point in time, you could have gotten a CX3 2.0 awd for around $300k. There's not much on the road but I recall seeing one. They handle nicely and the performance is tops for the class (powerful 2.0 plus light weight body).

The HRV has a R18 engine and 5AT transmission that dates back to the 8th gen FA2 Civic launched back in 2005. Though performance is still descent, it IMO will always be 2nd to a CX3.

I saw some comments on the Subaru XV and may I add that it should not be ruled out. While I agree Massy is not the best dealership, I'll take them over SS any day. The immediate downfall of the XV is its performance due to its weight and having a 1.6 engine. I found that despite the CVT, the immediate throttle response seems to be very sharp. That acceleration curve flattens out by the time you hit 100 because let's just face it, powering 2 axles on a permanent awd system will suck power.

That said, it does have its advantages. Firstly, NO OTHER small crossover comes close to the XV in offroad capability. The permanent symmetrical awd system and class leading 8.7inches or 220mm ground clearance are reassuring. I'm not saying you're ready to slay a Jeep Wrangler or a Toyota Hilux off the beaten path, but what I'm saying is, go through some dirt roads and some steepish slippery inclines and that little XV will embarrass crossovers costing more and can surprise you.

I am new to the brand. I've always been a fan of Mazda, Toyota, Honda and Nissan etc but our newest ride is a Subaru and I can tell you, the longitudinal engine layout, the boxer 4 that is so smooth, its inherent design negates the use of dual counter rotating balance shafts to reduce NVH levels. The safety cage alone of that new Subaru Global Platform sharpens handling and increases torsional rigidity by a considerable margin over the previous gen XV. I am willing to bet that the chassis strength of said previous XV is superior to current crossover offerings.

Standard 17" alloys, all wheel disc brakes, 7 airbags and a 6.5" touch screen display with smart phone interface is hard to pass up for the entry model. You would see in pg. 1 that the XV starts at 229k and can climb in the high 300s for the 2.0 i-S Eyesight package. Having crash mitigation and other accident avoidance features makes it even more desirable. If the 2.0 is too much of a stretch then it's available in 1.6 i-S Eyesight as well.

Amongst the small mainstream crossover SUVs available locally, only the Qashqai, CX3, Vitara and XV are available with awd. I'm also willing to bet, those other contenders cannot match the overal features, safety and capability of the Subaru. I must address a major deterrent about boxer engines. Spark plugs can be a pain to change where you may have to remove say the battery or a portion of the intake manifold to reach said plugs but the good thing is, the OEM plugs are iridium which is rated for 100,000kms. So in other words, for a high usage owner, you're looking at after 3 years before entertaining that thought.

It doesn't matter what you eventually settle for, once its not a Qashqai or Sportage. Both are absolute rubbish IMO.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. How is the CX5 working out? Any drawbacks?

[agent007]

The CX5 is a everyday reminder to us that Mazda is on a high and it is over engineered.

We may often get people telling us about a Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki or Chevy which is 99% of the time cheaper etc but I can assure you whilst those brands are okay, a CX5 should really be called Lexus CX5, because it is a precision engineered product made by engineers who may have been top cardiologists in a previous life. Such surgical precision in the way this vehicle moves and operates!

If you follow John Cadogan from Australia (AutoExpert) you would observe that he admits Mazda and Subaru are on a high right now. The CRV is now 29 mths old and still runs like its 1 day old. Our RAV4 is now exactly 72 mths old and to-date we've changed fluids, filters, wiper blades, battery and front brake pads. Toyota's legendary reliability at its best. It's the closest thing we have to a swiss chronograph timepiece and I expect the Mazda to be just as reliable with loads more fun.

[SLVR1]

The CX5 is a everyday reminder to us that Mazda is on a high and it is over engineered.

We may often get people telling us about a Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki or Chevy which is 99% of the time cheaper etc but I can assure you whilst those brands are okay, a CX5 should really be called Lexus CX5, because it is a precision engineered product made by engineers who may have been top cardiologists in a previous life. Such surgical precision in the way this vehicle moves and operates!

If you follow John Cadogan from Australia (AutoExpert) you would observe that he admits Mazda and Subaru are on a high right now. The CRV is now 29 mths old and still runs like its 1 day old. Our RAV4 is now exactly 72 mths old and to-date we've changed fluids, filters, wiper blades, battery and front brake pads. Toyota's legendary reliability at its best. It's the closest thing we have to a swiss chronograph timepiece and I expect the Mazda to be just as reliable with loads more fun.

Awesome, thanks for the input.

[agent007]

The 2020 Subaru Impreza 1.6 sedan has arrived, priced at $240,000.

[scotty_buttons]

The 2020 Subaru Impreza 1.6 sedan has arrived, priced at $240,000.

Agent,

By chance you know the cost of the new CLA with AMG package at Sterling?

[agent007]

Approx. $400k with AMG kit

[supercharged turbo]

Agent..how come their isn't any pricing for the lancer?

[agent007]

Diamond Motors officially stopped importing the CY Lancer since what 2018? Therefore it enjoyed 11 years of a local run ie. 2007 to 2018. You can however get them via roro as it is known as Lancer in Singapore and Galant Fortis from the JDM. The former is 1.6 and the latter is 1.8 and 2.0.

In Taiwan, they have the Grand Lancer which is a heavy refresh of the model we know but I'm not sure of availability for our market.