T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[zando]

Why do people still think turbo lag is a thing ...

It is depending on the engine, with the civic and cruze it isn't as much of an issue, but with that focus 1.0 it puts out as much power as a normal 1.6, in that scenario I think it's better to have a N/A engine.

[agent007]

Well Zando, speaking of NA engines, hyundai might have something you're looking for (amongst others of course), you see those South Korean boys basically took a sonata engine and dropped it in the Elantra and it's here locally in the showroom mated to a 6 speed manual gearbox for $200k! Specs? Sure: 154hp and 195nm torque sufficient enough to propel this beast to 100kmph in 8.8 seconds according to hyundai. Here's the bonus, it uses super

Coming back to the focus I won't be so quick to write it off though because it can actually hit the same 100kmph in just under 11s making it just as quick or even quicker than your typical 1.6 car and just for comparison sake, the turbo civic covers 100 in around 7s to as high as low 8s and the Cruze turbo does same in mid 7s to mid 8s making it marginally quicker than the Elantra 2.0 manual.

[zando]

Well Zando, speaking of NA engines, hyundai might have something you're looking for (amongst others of course), you see those South Korean boys basically took a sonata engine and dropped it in the Elantra and it's here locally in the showroom mated to a 6 speed manual gearbox for $200k! Specs? Sure: 154hp and 195nm torque sufficient enough to propel this beast to 100kmph in 8.8 seconds according to hyundai. Here's the bonus, it uses super

Coming back to the focus I won't be so quick to write it off though because it can actually hit the same 100kmph in just under 11s making it just as quick or even quicker than your typical 1.6 car and just for comparison sake, the turbo civic covers 100 in around 7s to as high as low 8s and the Cruze turbo does same in mid 7s to mid 8s making it marginally quicker than the Elantra 2.0 manual.

I saw it, but I don't want a manual, I think I'd go with the ioniq, off the line he ioniq felt as quick as the cruze turbo, however after that the cruze walks away, I drove both cars, also the steering is really light on both, but amazingly the off center feel on the ioniq is better, at least Imo, for me right now it's a hard choice between the cruze turbo and the ioniq.

[agent007]

I could be wrong but I think the Ioniq has 3 drive mode settings for regular gas mode (normal, economy and sport) so you can customize your throttle response and steering sensitivity thanks to that feature. I don't think the Cruze turbo is so equipped locally. I prefer a conventional belt driven power steering pump setup versus the electric power steering in most modern cars but that's the future I guess. I know only 1 person who has a base Ioniq a couple months now and thus far she is having 0 issues.

[zando]

I could be wrong but I think the Ioniq has 3 drive mode settings for regular gas mode (normal, economy and sport) so you can customize your throttle response and steering sensitivity thanks to that feature. I don't think the Cruze turbo is so equipped locally. I prefer a conventional belt driven power steering pump setup versus the electric power steering in most modern cars but that's the future I guess. I know only 1 person who has a base Ioniq a couple months now and thus far she is having 0 issues.

Nah it doesn't have three modes, I thought it did also, it only goes into sport mode when u shift the gear selector to the right, then you have toptronic, but I think doing that also sharpens the throttle, also makes the steering heavier and it keeps the engine on all the time, the cruze only has ' manual ' mode with the shifter buttons on top the shifter, I didn't try that out because the car to me drove really well in normal automatic mode.

[Dizzy28]

Well Zando, speaking of NA engines, hyundai might have something you're looking for (amongst others of course), you see those South Korean boys basically took a sonata engine and dropped it in the Elantra and it's here locally in the showroom mated to a 6 speed manual gearbox for $200k! Specs? Sure: 154hp and 195nm torque sufficient enough to propel this beast to 100kmph in 8.8 seconds according to hyundai. Here's the bonus, it uses super

Coming back to the focus I won't be so quick to write it off though because it can actually hit the same 100kmph in just under 11s making it just as quick or even quicker than your typical 1.6 car and just for comparison sake, the turbo civic covers 100 in around 7s to as high as low 8s and the Cruze turbo does same in mid 7s to mid 8s making it marginally quicker than the Elantra 2.0 manual.

I think that $200k for the manual Elantra is inclusive of the aftermarket body kit. You can get it stock for even cheaper than that.

[drchaos]

The DCT and the small electric motor on the ioniq would give you instant power but in about 1 second you would feel the difference between the turbo cruze and ioniq.

[aidan]

Well Zando, speaking of NA engines, hyundai might have something you're looking for (amongst others of course), you see those South Korean boys basically took a sonata engine and dropped it in the Elantra and it's here locally in the showroom mated to a 6 speed manual gearbox for $200k! Specs? Sure: 154hp and 195nm torque sufficient enough to propel this beast to 100kmph in 8.8 seconds according to hyundai. Here's the bonus, it uses super

Coming back to the focus I won't be so quick to write it off though because it can actually hit the same 100kmph in just under 11s making it just as quick or even quicker than your typical 1.6 car and just for comparison sake, the turbo civic covers 100 in around 7s to as high as low 8s and the Cruze turbo does same in mid 7s to mid 8s making it marginally quicker than the Elantra 2.0 manual.

I think that $200k for the manual Elantra is inclusive of the aftermarket body kit. You can get it stock for even cheaper than that.

That rear diffuser with the fake exhausts bothering me more than it should

[Capleton]

The Torque figure on the Cruze is 177 lb ft (approx 240nm)....This peaks between 2000 to 4000 rpm, which makes the power delivery extremely usable. Car doesn't seem to break a sweat.

[nick639v2]

Well Zando, speaking of NA engines, hyundai might have something you're looking for (amongst others of course), you see those South Korean boys basically took a sonata engine and dropped it in the Elantra and it's here locally in the showroom mated to a 6 speed manual gearbox for $200k! Specs? Sure: 154hp and 195nm torque sufficient enough to propel this beast to 100kmph in 8.8 seconds according to hyundai. Here's the bonus, it uses super

Coming back to the focus I won't be so quick to write it off though because it can actually hit the same 100kmph in just under 11s making it just as quick or even quicker than your typical 1.6 car and just for comparison sake, the turbo civic covers 100 in around 7s to as high as low 8s and the Cruze turbo does same in mid 7s to mid 8s making it marginally quicker than the Elantra 2.0 manual.

I think that $200k for the manual Elantra is inclusive of the aftermarket body kit. You can get it stock for even cheaper than that.

That rear diffuser with the fake exhausts bothering me more than it should

I feel is just the white have it looking lil off... A grey or black guh look cork

[agent007]

some have no idea what we're talking about so here are some pics taken from FB:

2017 Chevrolet Cruze 1.4T. You've seen enough of this car already, so won't post any more pics but I don't know if it's just me because I appreciate the turbo performance etc but the car by getting lighter and now equipped with electric power steering means it kinda lost that secure Euro-type feeling even though it has the majority of engineering from Opel (Germany) and some platform input from Peugeot (France) because it now feels very Asian in the way in drives.






2017 Ford Focus 1.0T 3-cylinder. I probably have a thing for red cars since this red hatchback Focus melts my heart. Notice the 8" Ford Sync 3 touch screen display and red brake calipers. This is the only car in its class to have pop-out type door edge guards on the back doors. Very neat feature. Despite being a 6-year old design, this is such a well-built German car. Very solid and pure Euro feel.










2017 Hyundai Elantra 2.0: This appears to be the basic GL model with the Sonata (Nu 2.0 MPI) engine and an after-market body-kit installed locally with cheap Chinese rims and tyres. The dash looks like it came out back in MY2000:






2016 Mitsubishi Lancer GT 2.0. The last of the refreshed GT's to be imported locally. I think DM only sells the GLX and GLS 1.6 and 2.0's but NO more GT's. Notice the 18" rims (no other compact car locally ever got stock 18" rims from the manufacturer to-date) and the protective strips on the doors (something vehicles are no longer equipped with). Sad because call me crazy, I'll take this Lancer over the Elantra 2.0 anyday! Big question is, which one would be faster? I don't care if the design is already 10 years old, but this is one beautiful car. Mitsubishi might not be making much cars and selling much anymore as they focus more on commercial vehicles and SUVs etc but they would always have my respect with this car. It was ahead of its time.

[zando]

That Lancer actually doesn't look bad, too bad mitsu can't give us a nice new one.

[metalgear2095]

The lancer was really ahead of its time. There are still some features the old one from 2007 has that these new cars don't

[drchaos]

Really? Like what?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Knee airbags if I'm guessing.

[agent007]

I'm impressed that you know this. Subtle other stuff the GT was known for over the years is the magnesium paddle shifters, CVT transmission with tiptronic 6 speed, independent rear suspension with stabilizers, front tower strut bar, projector xenon HID auto headlamps with cornering function, sunroof, smart key entry and start, rear trunk struts vs the less expensive and more conventional gooseneck hinges, chrome exhaust finisher and a 2.0 engine featuring an all aluminum design, timing chain and twin valve timing for intake and exhaust valve optimization. Yes I know, over the years Kia and even the first gen Chevy Cruze got a knee airbag option amongs other small stuff but remember this Lancer is based on 2007 technology. Notice in the picture above, that particular GT is a stripped down version. It doesn't even have the strut bar anymore and I was told that the rear stabilizers are also absent. Lastly, The body structure in this car was engineered to meet crash safety regulations and tests that wasn't even thought of back in 2007. The IIHS small overlap scoring did better than some newer models in its class. I regret selling my CY Lancer now as it was so much fun to drive and yet again I'll say it was way ahead of its time. Similar to the EK4 Civic SiR, another masterpiece way ahead of its time which I also happened to own as well. Great cars and apologies for any hints of nostalgia.

[drchaos]

Yeah that all aluminum engine was really before its time. Didnt know about the knee airbags! Truely sad that some makers still clocking 2 airbags in their models offered here.

[zando]

Holy crap!!! Look a new Lancer!!! Think we getting this?!

https://youtu.be/TyTPYD2O4pw

[Dave]

Meant for Malaysian market. Not sure

[Morpheus]

Agent007, I remember reading that spec sheet for the Lancer in 2007 and being stunned.

[agent007]

Look closely its the same CY Lancer. Apart from interior redesign, the rear doors have an amended belt line, the front and back are slightly refreshed with new bumpers and grill, lights and wing mirrors. I would say this is a heavy refresh of the existing car. In some Asian markets the 4B DOHC 16V twin VVT engines were replaced with the 4J SOHC 16 valve design featuring single or intake VVT only. Call that a regression!

If DM can somehow get Mitsubishi to export that car to T&T equipped with the new 4B40 1.5T engine and sell it for $200k then all hell break loose in this place!

[PariaMan]

Does the lancer require premium gas?

[triniboi49]

I looked at a few new cars today - my impressions:
HRV pretty nice but missing a few features we were after such as rain sensing headlights and auto wipers.
Tuscon: had the features but at the higher trims,
Mazda3 not bad at all at 191.
Cx3: real small 249 k for the basic.
Cruze: Very Nice LTZ was 209.
Vitara: all the features we were consider. 252k. Lil concerned how the 1.6 will pull on the highway.
The Civic: Nice Car has eveything, Cruz had more.
Fusion: Tad too expensive considering ford place in the market

[triniboi49]

Any reviews on that Vitara? For us it was the one that hit the check boxes.

[agent007]

pariaman, local Lancers equipped with the 4G92, 4G18, 4A91 and 4A92 require premium fuel.

Triniboi, go brave with the Zuki my friend and tell us about ownership as she advances in age.

Personally, I would never buy a Suzuki as those vehicles or the company itself and any of their offerings is not to be taken seriously but again that's just me.

[aidan]

pariaman, local Lancers equipped with the 4G92, 4G18, 4A91 and 4A92 require premium fuel.

Triniboi, go brave with the Zuki my friend and tell us about ownership as she advances in age.

Personally, I would never buy a Suzuki as those vehicles or the company itself and any of their offerings is not to be taken seriously but again that's just me.

Never had any problems with any zuki I've ever owned they are very strong and reliable.

Triniboi, one of my colleagues bought one of the first vitaras that lsm brought in. It's the high spec 2wd. So far no issues and going into 30k kms, very good fuel economy, very comfortable and spacious (he has 2kids). I'd pick that over any other cuvs available currently. The 1.6 keeps up just as good as any other vehicle on the highway. Also the led headlamps are cool af

[agent007]

Nice review there Aidan, I must admit one thing I like about the Vitara is the availability of awd. I don't think many mini crossovers have that extra capability except for the qashqai, asx and xv.

Which brings me to a question: is the Vitara just as capable as the Grand Vitara off road?

[kamakazi]

For those considering AWD

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCjMvCynvvw[/youtube]

[aidan]

Nice review there Aidan, I must admit one thing I like about the Vitara is the availability of awd. I don't think many mini crossovers have that extra capability except for the qashqai, asx and xv.

Which brings me to a question: is the Vitara just as capable as the Grand Vitara off road?

The SGV definitely has better off-road capabilities over the Vitara. The Vitara doesn't have as much ground clearance, and the front overhang is a bit long. I probably won't want to take a Vitara in any serious off-road due to all those external plastic bits and the low mounted parking sensors.
However it has more ground clearance over the other CUVs and I'm sure will tackle most "off-road" conditions a typical buyer might put it through (beach,gravel road,wet grass parking lot,light trail).
If the Vitara was offered with awd and basic trim with a gearbox I'd be all over that lol. But sadly awd only coming with the highest spec.
I had a 2011 3dr awd SGV with the same 1.6 motor with a gearbox and it handled itself well along some forest logging roads in North East Trinidad.

[kamakazi]

What tyres did you use during the run along the forest logging roads