T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[acesinghit]

Agent47, thanks I didn't think of that.

I'm 50/50 right now. Kronik logic is encouraging but drchaos bringing back a reality that could drive someone crazy if sheit hits the fan. Imagine paying a loan for a defective vehicle, that would be hard.

[kamakazi]

All I want to know is if the hybrid system fails... Can the vehicle simply function on the gasoline power plant alone.
After watching this he fancy colored demo...I am now wondering if the system has a traditional starter motor out does it use a system similar to Koenigsegg

[acesinghit]

Good question, coworker of mine was saying you can test it by disconnecting the Hybrid battery pack so it won't power the electric motor but another saying it will trigger an error code and prevent the vehicle from starting as a safety precaution. It requires more online research or an actual owner giving us some feedback cause I'm seeing more and more on the roads.

[urbandilema]

[Dave]

That is encouraging!

[urbandilema]

That is encouraging!

Saw this on fb I don't work or have any association with the firm

[acesinghit]

Massy has to do something about this, I see them responding but a bit later. The alternative dealers gonna sell more Xtrail than Massy now LOL.

[Morpheus]

Really like the hybrid discussions because I've been contemplating going that route lately.

But my concerns are just as you described above.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

What's the benefit financially of having a hybrid vs a regular gasoline engines vehicle using super?

[kamakazi]

Based on the xtrail example... That is almost one third off the price of the normal gas engine vehicle... I am aware that the difference in engine size has something to do with that but that is a huge saving. Couple that with the potential of lower fuel consumption while driving.
However
Not sure if the motor/generator unit is the "starter" for the engine though cause if and when that goes... How do you start it

[Morpheus]

1200+ kms a tank possibility. Driving styles and other factors dependent.

[Morpheus]

So who starting the Official Hybrid Discussion thread?

[greatbear]

I bought a Hybrid Honda Vezel in 2015(still waiting on the refund) but so far haven't had any issues. The Honda Earth Dreams hybrid isn't too bad. Similar to the Toyota system. Nissan uses Toyota technology so it's not that they trying something. You really don't have to interfere with the hybrid system. Service the vehicle as you would a regular conventional. Mine has less moving parts in the engine, no accessory belts, electronic everything. The battery is guaranteed by Honda for 8 years and the dealer I bought it from in Japan has been helpful thus far. Battery replacements aren't as expensive unless the entire unit fails. But usually the new technology allows for change of failed modules. I've checked a replacement module for my vehicle is around $400us new.

[greatbear]

The engine is rated for 92 octane fuel so super, a full tank ($140) with a light foot averages about 760kms, compared to my 1.6 civic the same $140 gives me at best 420kms with same style of driving

[Morpheus]

What refund you waiting on greatbear?

[eliteauto]

Massy will have the new Hyundai Ioniq within a few weeks, tentatively at $160K according to my rep, I think that's the first hybrid they're offering, maybe we'll see other vehicles coming. TTTL sells the Prius and the Camry

[drchaos]

I bought a Hybrid Honda Vezel in 2015(still waiting on the refund) but so far haven't had any issues. The Honda Earth Dreams hybrid isn't too bad. Similar to the Toyota system. Nissan uses Toyota technology so it's not that they trying something. You really don't have to interfere with the hybrid system. Service the vehicle as you would a regular conventional. Mine has less moving parts in the engine, no accessory belts, electronic everything. The battery is guaranteed by Honda for 8 years and the dealer I bought it from in Japan has been helpful thus far. Battery replacements aren't as expensive unless the entire unit fails. But usually the new technology allows for change of failed modules. I've checked a replacement module for my vehicle is around $400us new.

Vezel and fit hybrid do not have a similar system to Toyota. They use a Dry 7 speed dual clutch transmission with a built in electric motor running off Li-ion cells, co-developed by Honda and Luk (Luk did the 7 speed dry DCT on the jetta). 6 recalls in Japan on these vehicles mainly to do with software issues (transmission locking up) and Honda excec's had to apologize publicly and take a pay cut. Sounds like it has been sorted out as no more recalls out of Japan but its newer tech vs Toyota tried and tested hybrid system.

Toyota used to use an automatic tranny and now they switch CVT transmission but they still running nickel metal hydride batteries, some of the new high end Prius's have Li-ion.

[drchaos]

Massy will have the new Hyundai Ioniq within a few weeks, tentatively at $160K according to my rep, I think that's the first hybrid they're offering, maybe we'll see other vehicles coming. TTTL sells the Prius and the Camry

They also have 2 Nissan leaf's either on the way or here already for testing and the Ioniq electric should be here by the end of the year followed by charging stations to be set up around the country.

[greatbear]

Refund on vat,Mvt and duties

[greatbear]

Didn't say Honda used a toyota's technology. Nissan does. Honda developed their own system.

[greatbear]

I meant similar in terms of they are full hybrid, i.e. It can propel itself on full electric power. Most others cannot so far only Toyota or manufacturers using Toyota technology or Honda. The software problems were the initial batch which is to be expected, the Prius had similar problems. So far I haven't had any problems and I mad sure my vehicle was out of the range of chassis numbers which fell within the recalls. Those mainly affected the RU1 & RU2 models. Had more to do with the drive by wire system than the actual hybrid system.

[Morpheus]

Ok thanks for the info greatbear

[kamakazi]

Didn't say Honda used a toyota's technology. Nissan does. Honda developed their own system.

The xtrail doesn't appear to use Toyota tech though

[greatbear]

Yup, google Nissan hybrid.

[greatbear]

It's called Hybrid Synergy Drive look at the back of the Nissan models you'd see the same logo

[drchaos]

I meant similar in terms of they are full hybrid, i.e. It can propel itself on full electric power. Most others cannot so far only Toyota or manufacturers using Toyota technology or Honda. The software problems were the initial batch which is to be expected, the Prius had similar problems. So far I haven't had any problems and I mad sure my vehicle was out of the range of chassis numbers which fell within the recalls. Those mainly affected the RU1 & RU2 models. Had more to do with the drive by wire system than the actual hybrid system.

Lots of manufacturers besides Toyota and Honda have full hybrids that can propel themselves on full electric propulsion. VW, BMW, Volvo, Nissan, Hyundai/Kia are just a few others on the market.

Glad you did your research on that Vezel, will save you lots of headache in the future.

[drchaos]

I looked at the Nissan Hybrid system on the Xtrail and seems not to have been borrowed from Toyota, it is Nissan's own tech.

Both Paultan and Nissans global site confirm this.
"Intelligent Dual Clutch Control is Nissan's original, highly efficient hybrid system that drives the wheels and regenerates electricity by using one motor. With one of the two clutches completely separating the motor from the engine, EV mode driving in high-speed situations and highly efficient regeneration are realized."

source
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/NEWS/20 ... -01-e.html
http://paultan.org/2015/12/11/nissan-x- ... rom-japan/

[kamakazi]

Thank you chaos...I really didn't want to spell it out...

[greatbear]

Noted, the Nissan badging I've seen are the same "Hybrid Synergy Drive" on some of the Serenas and a few xtrails even a cube. But the badge on that link I've not seen yet. Who knows we may be getting the trial stock. Most stuff I've read before I actually came accross the technology sharing with Toyota. But the technology has come a long way since first introduced and it's definitely where the motoring world is headed to as far as I can see.

Personally I'm satisfied with it, great fuel economy, they don't joke when they say they hybrids are peppier either. If they didn't say there were engine size restrictions I would have probably gone with an accord or crown at the time but according the them we have until 2020 to import anything hybrid or electric tax free. So definitely my next purchase will be another hybrid.

But that being said i would be very skeptical with a used car, u never know what the previous owner subjected the vehicle to or how much abuse those dual clutches may have undergone.

[drchaos]

The good thing about the Honda hybrid DCT system which is also similar to the Hyundai hybrid DCT system is the Dry clutches should not see much abuse.
Dry clutch DCT gets wrecked with heat, from traffic stop and go and crawling. The electric motor handles this function so clutches dont have engage and disengage constantly at low speeds.

What sort of fuel economy you seeing?