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Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 6th, 2013, 7:52 pm

Hi guys ...need some advice....i got and 06 tiida sedan..the electronic 4wd version.. the problem i am having is that the pulley for the "generator" for the motor to turn the rear wheels appears to be sticking intermitently.....the 4wd version uses a wider belt/longer belt....i wanted to know what are my options. can I
1) service or repair the generator?so it stops sticking.If so can anyone recommend someone and avg cost?
2) remove or condemn the generator and take it out and use a smaller belt from the normal 2wd sedan?
3) leave the generator in..but remove the internals if they are indeed bad and let it "free wheel" with the original belt/system.

Pros/Cons of any of the above options....or if anyone has any alternatives the options above

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 13th, 2013, 8:38 pm

try too get the pulley the pulley is the problem i myself looking for one

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 14th, 2013, 8:34 pm

what I end up doing was this......I condemned the four wheel electronic thing... doing some research..I have a hr15de engine... went down to bicks... looked at a hr15 engine.... took the engine belt, the manual adjustable pulley with the engine bracket......( the hr15de engine has a self tensioner pulley that cost $3700) came back home removed the alternator, removed the ac compressor, removed the old self tensioning pulley and the entire old bracket... mounted the new manual tensioner with bracket, the ac compressor and alternator back up to the engine with the new shorter belt..... and wala... converted the engine to a 2we... works like a charm now...I spent $1000tt..... on the foreign used parts... did all the work myself.. took 2 hours... engine was hot....lol... couldn't wait for it to cool down.... the only issue now is that the 4wd light on the dash is illuminated constantly...I could live with that... better than buying a part for $3700 .... never used the 4wd anyways... so no loss here...... so basically there three pulleys doing nothing...I removed the other two that were just free wheelers.. they were attached to the bracket I removed and at the bottom of the ac compressor.....oh..I forgot to mention... the$1000 was for the belt.. the bracket... the pulley and finally the alternator... which cost the bulk of the money... so technically if u don't need the alternator like me ( alternator needed changing)it would have cost about $400... even better

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 15th, 2013, 9:32 pm

but the pulley on the alternator has a 7 groove so therefore the pulley has to change also

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 16th, 2013, 11:39 am

you are correct... but the alternator I got was a seven grove... so I didn't have to change the pulley... the hr 15 that I got it from was a seven grove including the belt....I know some tiida engines carry the smaller six groove instead

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 16th, 2013, 11:45 am

when I get home I will check the old alternator and count the grooves.... my engine uses a wider belt than a normal tiida by one groove.

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby bigchief3679 » February 16th, 2013, 6:29 pm

Well, now that you have left the 4wd behind, you can scrap out the rear end and remove the extra heavy motor, wiring and axles to shed some pounds....... :idea:

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 16th, 2013, 7:54 pm

kinda confused here the 2wd carry 6 groove and4wd carry 7 then the alternator pulley will have too be changed too 6 groove. too accomodate the shorter belt not so???????//

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 17th, 2013, 8:31 pm

Ok...I finally got some time to check properly... the four wheel drive uses a six groove belt ( counting the spaces)....I am assuming the normal 2wd is probably 6 grooves also (i could be wrong).( heard some ppl say some carry 5 groove).. because I got the belt and the alternator off a hr15.... and the belt was 6 grooves also and that engine didn't not have the 4wd generator nor did its pulley system look anything close to the one I was replacing ... so you can ignore the part about it being 7 grooves... it's 6.... can anyone confirm that the normal tiida uses 6 groove or a 5 groove?... my tiida is an 06 model.. .. and I was really wondering about getting rid of that extra weight.... removing the rear system..... but Will anything happen to the rear after I remove the axles.... that's my main concern.... leaving that hole open... for dirt and stuff... not sure how it's made up inside, so I can't say if it's a legit concern.... thoughts ?
when I get some more time..I will upload the picture of the old bracket with pulleys... the old belt and automatic tensioner....

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby bigchief3679 » February 17th, 2013, 9:25 pm

You can leave the outer CV joints on to hold the bearings together and not worry about dirt or grime, just minus the axles, inner joints, motor and its mounting subframe.

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 18th, 2013, 5:48 am

cool... sound s like a plan...... was l ooking at the front generator too.... but it looks like it can't come out so easily..

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 18th, 2013, 6:44 pm

Normal 2wd is 6 groove
E-4wd is 7 groove

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 18th, 2013, 6:56 pm

I think i realise what's happening...I counted the grooves on the belt... and I guess you counted the grooves on the pulley..... if that's the case..... you are correct....my mistake

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 19th, 2013, 7:19 pm

Yeah I've been looking for they pulley for the longest while but I just might do what you did.......

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 19th, 2013, 7:22 pm

which pulley you need?

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 19th, 2013, 9:32 pm

The generator pulley 7 groove

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 19th, 2013, 9:33 pm

The generator pulley and the alternator pulleys are the same

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » February 20th, 2013, 7:22 am

oh ok... if I could get the generator out... you could get the pulley from it... but to make space to take the generator is going to be a problem lol

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » February 20th, 2013, 6:22 pm

Ok ok let me know how it goes

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » March 7th, 2013, 2:30 pm

checked with the mechanic...he says i would have to remove the manifold to remove the generator.....so its looks like its staying right there for now....lol....sorry man.

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » March 7th, 2013, 3:00 pm

here are a few pics i took of the parts i took off.......if anyone needs an alternator.....i got one...lol....my pulley was the wrong width.....as you can tell from the picture....as i said before..this is bolt for bolt "conversion"...very simple and you can do it yourself once you can use a spanner and socket set...lol
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This is what the belt layout used to look like
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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » March 11th, 2013, 11:39 am

You got the alternator pulley7 groove?????

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » March 17th, 2013, 4:30 pm

nah...its a six groove for some strange reason...got the car like that...all the other pulleys were normal and the alternator was 1 less groove...so that means they shaved off a groove on the original belt for it too work in the car.....foreign used vehicles......smh......lol

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » March 17th, 2013, 4:31 pm

if you noticed...the ends of the pulley is wider than the normal seven groove...

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby dballer » April 25th, 2013, 8:36 pm

hmmmm good info had i known b4 i would have went for the 2wd tiida :O

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » April 26th, 2013, 5:05 pm

Currently my generator makes a lot of noise so I'm looking for the manual tensionor. Too change out mines.



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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » April 28th, 2013, 7:58 pm

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One is of the bracket and the next one is of the manual tensioner.



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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » April 28th, 2013, 8:03 pm

Gonna try too source the parts tomm and do the conversion though. But one thing though, how do you slacken the belt on the 4wd meaning which nut is the one for the tensioner.
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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby Densil » April 28th, 2013, 9:13 pm

You have to use a power handle...and pull on the bolt on the automatic tensioner...it will move...giving some slack to remove the belt.....there is a small hole where you can insert like a two inch mail to hold it there in position..while you move the belt off...it's kinda tricky...you will have to pull it all the way....I did it from under the car ....removing the front wheel is a must....do it from there...

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Re: Tiida 2006 e-4wd Generator Problem

Postby IvanTerrors » April 28th, 2013, 10:41 pm

Ok ok thanks will let you know how it goes .


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