Hyundai Genesis vs EVO X Engine

[Pinky]

The buzz also is that the Mitsubishi Lancer Raliart and Hyundai Genesis Coupe have essentially the same engine.


Blue is the Genesis
Red is the Raliart


The problem now is tuning, currently ecuflash does not support the genesis ecu. Hyundai uses a Siemens ECU for the 2.0T and is not readable by ecuflash. Someone needs to come up with a tuning solution for this car!

Source: http://www.turbofour.com

Cliffs:
Rumors said that the EvoX 4b11t and this motor were the same, they are close
1. Blocks are similar, but the Hyundai one is made with a bunch of cheap grade parts. Less block webbing. (I wonder if you could just use the same block)
2. Heads are different, as are flanges. No Evo stuff should be able to move onto the Hyundai (as far as they know now...with RD it may be possible)
3. Gary from Design craft is awesome.


There seems to be a lot of buzz starting regarding the coming Hyundai Genesis coupe. Hopefully it will be a solid foundation that people can easily modify and beat the crap out of without breaking too easily. Anyhow, last week I was working on the 32 over at XS and Gary from Design Craft stopped by in a blue decked out Genesis 2.0L turbo. He already had it decked out with wheels, Stoptech brakes front and rear, custom Apexi coilovers, Turbonetics turbo, intercooler, Sparco seats, Design Craft custom roll cage, etc. It turns out its a 0-60 Magazine project car so look out for a future issue of 0-60 for details on the car (bitchin mag btw).

I have read here and there where people are claiming that the Mitsubishi and Hyundai versions of the 4B engines are nearly the same. So to clarify, here are some factual things I’ve learned from talking to Gary at Design Craft (who would probably be the leading Hyundai 4B11T expert at this point in time), Simon at Hyundai (who is a Hyundai test engineer and probably knows the most about the Genesis Coupe at this point in time), and Mo at Mitsubishi (who just knows a lot about both versions of the 4B11T and a certified car nut himself) about the Hyundai Genesis Coupe and it’s engines:

1. The Hyundai 4B11T is not the same as the Mitsubishi EVO X 4B11T. While the Hyundai 4B is similar in many ways, there are very few common parts. The block, head, pistons, rods, crank, etc. are all similar, but different. Different in that they are lower grade. Hyundai’s rods are powder sintered whereas Mitsubishi’s are forged. Mitsubishi’s pistons are made by Mahle and have a oil reservoir underneath the dish like a Porsche turbo piston. Hyundai’s cast piston is no different in strength compared to one of their passenger cars. Hyundai’s 4B block has far less webbing (this is visible from the exterior). The differences go on and on. That doesn’t mean the Hyundai parts suck. It’s just that the Mitsubishi 4B11T is way better out of the box. While the parts are different, that doesn’t mean that the Mitsubishi pistons, rods, and crank cannot fit into a Hyundai 4B.

2. The cylinder head is different enough that the exhaust manifold and intake manifold flanges and gaskets are not common. They are absolutely different so there will be no manifold and turbo swapping. This is an absolute fact since Gary tried fitting the manifolds from an EVO X. The Mitsu engine is mounted transverse and it is very likely that the castings wouldn’t work anyway. That’s too bad since the Cosworth EVO X 4B11T CNC ported big valve cylinder head will be available to the public soon. See #6 below on the cams.

3. The LSD in the sports version is a gear type LSD and not a clutch type.

4. There is an orifice in the clutch’s hydraulic plumbing that needs to be removed for performance purposes (as do many other cars).

5. The Hyundai V-6 is very similar in design to the Nissan VQ35. If you’re going to make a new V6, you’d be a fool not to copy, oh sorry uh….model your new engine after the VQ35 since it is the best damn V6 in production right now.

6. While the cams are SIMILAR in appearance, they may not be identical like the GenesisDriven blog states. The blog post states that their Korean source says, “With your pictures send to Korea, our engineer and tech dept. have confirmed its identical as 2.0 turbo Theta for those cams.â€

[Dave]

good read pinky

[gen-worx]

WOW! AMAZING..

[Alpha_2nr]

The 4B11 and the Hyundai "Theta" 2.0L engine have similar origins....in that the basic block/engine design was part of a joint effort with Hyundai, Mitsubishi and Chrysler I think it was.

A "world" engine it was called.

Of course the 4B11T in the X was bolstered up far beyond the level of any other iteration of that 2.0L engine found anwyehre...even in other Mitsus. For obvious reasons


The Genesis's 2.0T engine has more in common with the Lancer RALLIART (the 240 hp one)....NOT the Evo X.

The 3.8 V6....well...that's another story

[Sanctifier]

^ ^ ^ Yup..."World" engine details and pix here...Link--> The 4G63 is dead!... Long live the King! (4B11T)

My $0.02¢

[zcarz]

well hyundai is known for copying car designs.. the genesis looks very very much like the g37

[Alpha_2nr]

Didn't the Genesis come out BEFORE the G37?

So how would it be a copy>?

[zcarz]

Didn't the Genesis come out BEFORE the G37?

So how would it be a copy>?

no the g37 came before

[Alpha_2nr]

^^Perhaps you're confusing the G37 with the older G35.

The G37 and Genesis SEDAN both made their debut at the NY Auto show in 2007. Hyundai had released photos of the Genesis concept BEFORE nissan/infiniti had released for the G37.

In 2007, the redesigned G coupe was unveiled at the 2007 New York International Auto Show[13] and was available for sale as a 2008 model.[14] Unlike the 2007 and 2008 G sedan it was given the new 3.7 L 330 hp (250 kW) V6 VQ37VHR engine but for this one model year still paired with the 5-speed automatic transmission and was named the "G37." In Japan, the G37 joined the updated G Sedan under the Nissan Skyline (V36) nameplate.[15] This also marks the first use of Nissan's VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift) system on a production vehicle in the US market.

The Hyundai Genesis (Korean: 현대 제네시스) is a full-size, rear-wheel drive luxury car introduced in the 2007 New York International Auto Show.[1] Hyundai has introduced the vehicle worldwide, known internally as the BH model, and has initially market the Genesis as a "premium sports sedan,"[2] in one body style with three possible engines.

The coupe came in early 2008.

[zcarz]

^^Perhaps you're confusing the G37 with the older G35.

The G37 and Genesis SEDAN both made their debut at the NY Auto show in 2007. Hyundai had released photos of the Genesis concept BEFORE nissan/infiniti had released for the G37.

In 2007, the redesigned G coupe was unveiled at the 2007 New York International Auto Show[13] and was available for sale as a 2008 model.[14] Unlike the 2007 and 2008 G sedan it was given the new 3.7 L 330 hp (250 kW) V6 VQ37VHR engine but for this one model year still paired with the 5-speed automatic transmission and was named the "G37." In Japan, the G37 joined the updated G Sedan under the Nissan Skyline (V36) nameplate.[15] This also marks the first use of Nissan's VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift) system on a production vehicle in the US market.

The Hyundai Genesis (Korean: 현대 제네시스) is a full-size, rear-wheel drive luxury car introduced in the 2007 New York International Auto Show.[1] Hyundai has introduced the vehicle worldwide, known internally as the BH model, and has initially market the Genesis as a "premium sports sedan,"[2] in one body style with three possible engines.

The coupe came in early 2008.

October 13, 2008 Coupe
August 2008 G37
Just because pics were released before doesn't mean they didn't have access to Nissan's information.

[Rooki3]

well hyundai is known for copying car designs.. the genesis looks very very much like the g37

what sheit you talking

[zcarz]

well hyundai is known for copying car designs.. the genesis looks very very much like the g37

what sheit you talking

i find all hyundai cars does look like they copy another, i not sayin they are bad cars

[flexer]

A year ago i had a Hyundai sentro club with blue color Transmition was Manual. This car was Mine blowing road grip and extra Odenry Pick up .

[bushwakka]

oh gad oii