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COMPRESSION TESTING...

Postby Mr. Red Sleeper » December 3rd, 2006, 12:36 pm

May be of some help.....


http://www.carpages.ca/go/tips/compression_testing.aspx


When buying a used vehicle we are mostly concerned with the engine condition especially if it is over 100,000 km. The engine compression is the engine's combustion capacity necessary to make the motor run. A compression drop inside one or more cylinders will cause abnormal idling, power loss, higher fuel consumption, and polluting emissions. Most of the time these problems are the result of wear and tear on some parts or other: piston rings, valves, head gasket, or cracks anywhere.

You can find out quite a lot about an engine's internal condition through compression testing, but as long as proper procedures are followed. Many people mistakenly make this test with diluted used oil on a cold engine, or with the throttle valve shut.

How To Read Results?

If you have a compression test performed on a used vehicle you're looking to purchase, it might be interesting to know how to read the results. First of all, the test is made with a compression gauge, which is an instrument that measures pressure produced individually by each cylinder. If you have a 4-cylinder car, you'll get four results. For example you may get the following results:

#1 cylinder: 175 psi
#2 cylinder: 170 psi
#3 cylinder: 175 psi
#4 cylinder: 160 psi

Pressure is measured in "psi" (pound per square inch); in the metric system it is measured in kilopascals (kPa). Usually, manufacturers do not give out detailed specifications on compression numbers but they do offer the following rule: a minimum of 100 psi per cylinder, and a maximum difference of 25% between each cylinder. You should start to worry if one of your cylinders is getting close to 100 psi. Most new engines in good condition compress at around 175 psi. If we look at the example above, we find that the #4 cylinder at 160 psi is O.K. But let's compare it with the cylinder having the highest pressure level at 175 psi.

With a simple rule of three:
175 psi = 100%
160 psi = ?
(160 x 100) / 175 = 91.4% for the #4 cylinder. So 100% ? 91.4% = 8.6% which is well below the 25% limit, thus a good result.

What If...

Suppose that #4 cylinder were at 120 psi, the difference ratio would be 31.4% which would indicate excessive wear in the cylinder. When a cylinder has a low compression level, it is possible to find the leak by performing a "liquid test." You do the compression test again but this time you add a little quantity of motor oil (one teaspoon) in the cylinder in order to temporarily increase its tightness. If during this new test the pressure rises by 5% or more it means that the piston rings are causing the trouble. But if the pressure is the same then probably the valves are the source of trouble. Note that this "liquid test" cannot be performed on flat engines such as Volkswagen, Porsche and Subaru. Moreover, if two adjacent cylinders have a low compression level it means you have a broken head gasket. In any case you'll have to open up the engine. And the worst-case scenario would be to have to rebuild the whole motor.

Doing The Test Right

For best results the engine should be operating at normal temperature, or until the radiator fan starts. Disconnect the starter and the fuel supply to prevent any danger of explosion, and remove all the sparkplugs. Keep the throttle valve open to the max throughout the operation. Connect the pressure gauge to the sparkplug hole, and then turn on the starter until the gauge pointer gets up to the maximum. Repeat the operation four or five times while writing down the result each time.

Remember that while checking compression levels you should also watch for unusual sounds in the engine, for any kind of oil leaks as well as smoke in the exhaust system. If you're going to perform this test yourself be sure to follow the recommendations in the car maker's repair manual.




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Postby Grind » December 6th, 2006, 8:29 am

Great info, who does this down here :?:
From the symptoms my car is showing, this is what I need.

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Postby Mr. Red Sleeper » December 8th, 2006, 12:52 pm

bUY THE TESTER!

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Postby Usual Suspect » December 8th, 2006, 1:06 pm

wher can u get this tester

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Postby wagonrunner » December 8th, 2006, 1:40 pm

ebay has a set of them. < US$15 if you can get someoen to bring it, else shipping and customs.

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Postby pete » December 8th, 2006, 4:57 pm

I get 200-210 psi across all cylinders.. not bad for 220,000km

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Postby wagonrunner » December 8th, 2006, 5:54 pm

does anyone know what psi's, certain applications shoudl give.

say pete has 200-10

mine is 225.

another boosted partner is 150. how can we know what figures to expect from an engine?

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Postby sparkie » December 8th, 2006, 7:58 pm

Depends on the engine static compression and the cams and cam gear settings if you have altered it.

For instance an engine will have a certain static compression ratio based on engine design but if your cams have overlap the value you would read will be a lot different to an engine with same static compression but no or less overlap. Cam lift won't have too much effect at cranking speed if the throttle is fully open and your air filter is ok.

So a compression reading is not a good comparison between engines unless we know the specifics of the static compression and the cam data. It is a valuable tool as stated above to look for consistency between cylinders when the test is done correctly, engine warmed up and throttle held open, for fuel injected cars you should also disable fuel pump or disconnect injectors electrically, in the case of the SR/GA and some others unplugging the distributor will have the same effect.

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Postby Grind » December 8th, 2006, 9:46 pm

pete wrote:I get 200-210 psi across all cylinders.. not bad for 220,000km


wagonrunner wrote:does anyone know what psi's, certain applications shoudl give.

say pete has 200-10

mine is 225.

another boosted partner is 150. how can we know what figures to expect from an engine?

Where do y'all go to get this done? My engine needs a compression test.

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Postby Maserati » December 8th, 2006, 9:51 pm

good read

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Postby wagonrunner » December 9th, 2006, 2:22 am

sparkie wrote:So a compression reading is not a good comparison between engines unless we know the specifics of the static compression and the cam data.

that's what i am trying to find out sir.
what values should be known before hand to know if the compression values are good or bad.

i was not comparing them against each, but noting that different engines give different readings.

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Postby Grind » December 12th, 2006, 9:08 pm

Grind wrote:
pete wrote:I get 200-210 psi across all cylinders.. not bad for 220,000km


wagonrunner wrote:does anyone know what psi's, certain applications shoudl give.

say pete has 200-10

mine is 225.

another boosted partner is 150. how can we know what figures to expect from an engine?

Where do y'all go to get this done? My engine needs a compression test.
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Postby TESTED performance » December 15th, 2006, 9:11 am

get a copy of the engine manual its always going to state what the recommended compression is for the specific engine. and it would be a useful resource for many other things. most tuner websites specific to your performance engine would have a pdf version of the engine manual by now.

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Postby wagonrunner » December 15th, 2006, 11:41 am

nasscott,
yuh have me feeling like a noob there. :oops:

it was in my FSM.
GA Engines compression pressure.
Standard - 199psi Minimum - 179psi

mine was 225psi across all 4 cylinders.
<a href='http://www.motorage.com/motorage/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=16170'>How to Check Your Engine's Compression - Motor Age</a>
When the compression is found to be too high in one or more cylinders, this would be an indication of excessive carbon buildup in the engine. It can only be corrected by performing a chemical de-carbonizing process on the engine or by removing the cylinder head(s) and physically removing the carbon that is attached to the cylinder portion of the head(s) and the tops of the pistons.

i need some feedback, because this is a replacement head. which was clean, and still cleaned before putting back in.

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Postby TESTED performance » December 16th, 2006, 1:23 pm

i dunno hoss but your car running down 20valve and ting so the higher compression probably working in your favour leave d thing alone nah lol. who did the compression test for you? maybe there's a calibration error and you should probably have the engine checked with a different tester just to make sure?

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Postby wagonrunner » December 16th, 2006, 1:46 pm

that listing is for the USDM GA16DE, i got the JDM GA15DE.......
will try to find the diference in compression ratios.

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Postby sparkie » December 17th, 2006, 9:44 am

I did a compression test on my sis B15, its a singapore though and it was 225 across the board as well.

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Postby TESTED performance » December 17th, 2006, 3:35 pm

where did you guys get the testing done?

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Postby wagonrunner » December 17th, 2006, 3:42 pm

nasscott,
friend of a friend did it for me, but i hopefully will be able to do it for others after christmas, hoping a pardner is able to pick one up off ebay before he comes home during the christmas season.

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Postby horsepwrjunki » December 17th, 2006, 6:38 pm

i can do the testing.... dont have what ur standar spec is... but the comparison test is soemthign preety common...
karl are u sure ur head is standard?...

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Postby sparkie » December 17th, 2006, 7:29 pm

nasscott, I have a compression testing guage so i did it myself. SWS had a set once and they had a clearance sale, got it for $50.00. Important part is the hose and adaptor for the plug hole with the check valve, I put in a better brand and hopefully more accurate guage when I got it.

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Postby horsepwrjunki » December 17th, 2006, 8:03 pm

tell u what i'll try an rember to bring it to the next dex event .. who want a freebie.. jsut ask .. sounds good mr. head of dex?

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Postby wagonrunner » December 17th, 2006, 9:41 pm

horsepwrjunki wrote:i can do the testing.... dont have what ur standar spec is... but the comparison test is soemthign preety common...
karl are u sure ur head is standard?...

hee hee, how yuh does tell d difference, when yuh buy a buy a head and block of the same model engines, and swap head from that one to yours, because its the fastest way to get car back on the road? :mrgreen:

what are the different GA15DE models out there? :mrgreen:

they will never know my precious' secret :twisted:

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Postby horsepwrjunki » December 18th, 2006, 7:27 am

testing on a micrmiter at the machine shop ( think thats the name for the machine)

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Postby wagonrunner » December 18th, 2006, 10:09 am

horsepwrjunki wrote:testing on a micrmiter at the machine shop ( think thats the name for the machine)

too late for that, not a good enough reason to locate and change head gasket.

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Postby Grind » December 22nd, 2006, 9:46 pm

Who does compression testing in central?

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Re: COMPRESSION TESTING...

Postby Rayden6 » December 4th, 2024, 3:24 pm

What is QG15 standard compression across ALL fours? Dry and wet

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