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Honda engine swap basics

Postby Val » April 20th, 2006, 9:42 am

I like this information, if any of it needs correcting let me know and I'll edit, it's probably a repost, but good for noobs to read.

Switching OBD motors

Many people think that swapping in a pre OBDI motor into their 92+ Civic is a good idea. I disagree. First, you'll have to swap the car from OBDI to OBD0 ot try and change the motor to OBDI. If you get a swap older than a 1991, you have to deal with the cable to hydro tranny conversion. The 1992-1993 Integra is the oddball swap of the bunch, being OBD1 and cable tranny. Your stock Civic has a hydraulic transmission.
Swapping from OBDII to OBDI is a common thing more and more now. Although the idea is quite good, it has flaws. If you use a jumper harness, it is very difficult to get the ECM to fit back in it's original location. Also, unless you feel like changing things back at inspection time, it's going to be impossible to pass in some areas. Now places are implementing OBDII testing that will have the tester plug a computer into your OBDII port to check for legality (no pulling the check engine light bulbs anymore to pass).

General swap info and tips

This could be better covered by someone with more swap experience, but I'll put in my $.02. Do it from the top. Just because more people have access to the tools and locations where putting in a swap from the top is easier. Also, make sure you have some way to crack the axle nuts loose. Air tools are a lifesaver when you have to turn bolts in a job like this, as is a torque wrench and a GOOD set of sockets.

If you can follow directions on here and unbolt things and rebolt them with a little wiring, you can do a swap.

A special thanks goes out to JDMlyfestyle for this thread http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=983454

JDM Swaps

Honestly, unless these come from a friend in Japan, you're taking a gamble every time. You have no real way to know how many miles are on the engine, nor how it was treated. Just keep that in mind. It has not been proven (no matter how many claims) that these JDM motors make any more HP.


Where to find them
First of all, if you are looking for a USDM motor, I'll suggest local junkyards. They are probally your best bet, as you can look at what you're getting instead of having to order it. Many people on here have bough swaps online, and they have posted their experiences in this thread:

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=50010


Possible Swaps

Now before someone jumps on me and says anything is possible with enough time and money, I know. These are going to be fairly straightforward options with the pros/cons.

D series swaps
These are fairly inexpensive and come in a variety of Civics. IMHO, these are the easiest swaps to drop in. I also don't want to hear a bunch of whining about the opinions on power levels. Of course there are going to be some exceptions to the rule.

Pros
Inexpensive
Decent potential (200 whp or so on stock internals)
OEM parts are cheap
More than enough for most people
The best D series come with ~130 hp tops
Optional factory LSD in the JDM D15B

Cons
Not as much potential as some other motors
Transmission not geared for accelleration
Don't respond to bolt ons well
Only way to get real power out of them is FI

B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII (among other JDM cars, which I don't claim to know all of which it came in) as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.

Pros
160 hp stock
High RPM power
Fairly inexpensive
Good transmission
DOHC VTEC

Cons
113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model
Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16

B18B
This is the motor in the non Type-R and non GSR Integra.

Pros
Good torque for a 1.8L (127 ft/lbs)
Inexpensive (even cheaper than a B16)
142 hp (more than any stock D series)
Boost heads love them

Cons
No VTEC
Longest B series transmission

B18C1 (or JDM B18C)
These come out of an Integra GSR.

Pros
Good Hp and TQ numbers (170, 121 ft/lbs respectively)
DOHC VTEC
Tons of potential
High revving

Cons
Expensive
Becoming moreso as people keep scooping them up
Slighty longer tranny than the ITR and B16

B18C5 (or JDM B18C)
This is found in the Integra Type-R. IMHO this is the best swap for a Civic.

Pros
GREAT HP and TQ numbers (195 and 134 ft/lbs)
High revving
Hand built motor from Honda
Optional factory LSD
Best transmission for a B series from the factory
Red valve cover

Cons
EXPENSIVE
If JDM ITR is used, the 36mm axle 32mm hub problems occur

B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs
High revving
Good top end power
Red valve cover

Cons
Expensive- almost as much as an ITR for lower performance
Very little torque still, have to rev the motor to make power

B20

Pros
Great torque (133 ft/lbs)
good boost motors
inexpensive
B20z=146hp

Cons
Thin cylinder walls
Have to peice together a swap for a Civic (can't drop it in with a B20 tranny)
Won't pass BAR (light truck motor in a car)
Low hp in the B20b(126 hp)

H22/JDM F20B

Pros
200 hp
H22=156 ft/lbs torque
F20B=145 ft/lbs torque
Great torque
DONT WEIGH THAT MUCH MORE THAN A B SWAP!!
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

Cons
Harder to install than a B/D motor
transmission feel is vague IMHO
Less info out there for the swap (aka, less experience as they are less common)
Price of swap is comperable to a B18C5 after everything is said and done (mounts, etc)

K20A
This can be found in the new EP3, the RSX (base and Type S) as well as other cars across the world (RSX R, etc). This is the future of the swap IMHO. There is a writeup on installing one of these in one issue of Sport Compact Car magazine (June 2004 I *think*)

Pros
220 hp 158 ft/lbs torque (RSX R)
I-VTEC
Respond VERY well to bolt ons
6 speed transmission
Most have very low miles

Cons
Still super expensive
More difficult swap than a B or D

Well, there you have it people. I've outlined some of the pros cons on some of the most popular swaps.

Check out the FAQ thread for more info on how to install them.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=642479

Most of these HP/TQ numbers were taken from Hmotors online if I didn't know them. Don't bite my head off if they aern't correct. I don't claim to be a walking encyclopedia, so I have had some help.

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Postby Val » April 20th, 2006, 9:51 am

--------------------- HONDA ENGINE SWAP GUIDE--------------------------------
GEN. YR-MODEL-CNTRY-CHASSIS-ENGINE-DISP-COMP-HP/TORQUE-TRANNY

5G ’94-’97 Accord DX/LX USA CD F22B2 2156 8.8:1 130hp@5300/139lb-ft@4200
5G ’94-’97 Accord EX USA CD F22B1 2156 8.8:1 145hp@5500/147lb-ft@4500
5G ’94-’97 Accord SiR Japan CD H22 2157 10.6:1 190hp@6800/152lb-ft@5500
4G ’90-’91 Accord USA CB F22A4 2156 8.8:1 130hp@5200/142lb-ft@4000
4G ’90-’93 Accord USA CB F22A1 2156 8.8:1 125hp@5200/137lb-ft@4000
4G ’91-’93 Accord USA CB F22A6 2156 8.8:1 140hp@5600/142lb-ft@4500
4G ’90-’93 Accord 2.0Si Japan CB F20A (twincam) 1997 9.5:1 150hp@6100/137lb-ft@5000
3G ’88-’89 Accord USA CA A20A3 1955 9.3:1 122hp
CIVIC
6G ’99-’00 Civic Si USA EM B16A 1595 10.2:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 S4C
6G ’96-’00 Civic EX USA EJ D16Y8 1590 9.6:1 127hp@6600/107lb-ft@5500
6G ’97+ Civic Type R Japan EK B16B 1595 10.8:1 184hp@8200/118lb-ft@7500
6G ’96+ Civic SiR II Japan EK B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 S4C
6G ’96+ Civic Vti Europe EK B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300
5G ’92-’95 Civic Si USA EG/EH D16Z6 1590 9.2:1 125hp@6600/106lb-ft@5200
5G ’92-’95 Civic SiR Japan EG B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 Y21
and SiRII
4G ’89-’91 Civic Si USA ED D16A6 1590 9.1:1 108hp@6000/100lb-ft@5000
4G ’88-’91 Civic DX USA ED D15A 1493 92hp@6000 L3
4G ’90-’91 Civic EX USA ED D16A6 1595 113hp@6200 L3
4G ’89-’92 Civic 1.6i/VTi Europe EE/ED B16A1 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD)
4G ’88-’91 Civic Si Japan EF ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 L3
4G ’89-’92 Civic SiR Japan EF B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112lb-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD)
(hatch)
4G ’90-’91 Civic SiR Japan EF B16A1 1595 10.4:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000
3G ’86-’87 Civic Si USA AH EW4 1488 8.7:1 91hp@5500/93lb-ft@4500 GM
3G ’86-’87 Civic Si Japan AT ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 CG
CR-X/DEL SOL
5G ’94-’97 DelSol USA/Europe EG B16A3 1595 10.2:1 158ps@7600/112lb-ft@7000 Y21
VTEC/Vti-T
5G ’92-’95 CR-X/ USA EG D16Z6 1590 9.2:1 125hp@6600/106lb-ft@5200
del Sol Si
5G ’92-’96 del Sol Japan EG B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800 Y21 or S21
CR-X SiR
4G ’88-’91 CRX Si USA ED D16A6 1595 113hp@6200
4G ’88-’91 CRX DX USA ED D15A1 1493 92hp@6000 L3
4G ’89-’92 CR-X 1.6i/VTi Europe EE B16A1 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD)
4G ’90-’91 CR-X SiR Japan EF B16A1 1595 10.4:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000
4G ’89-’92 CR-X Si16/1.6i Japan EF ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700

4G ’89-’92 CR-X SiR Japan EF B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112b-ft@7000 Y1 (opt. LSD)
3G ’84-’87 CR-X HF USA EF D15A2 (carbed) 1488 58hp
3G ’85-’87 CR-X Si USA AD EW4 1488 91hp@5500/93lb-ft@4500 GM
3G ’85-’87 CR-X Si Japan AS ZC 1595 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 CG
INTEGRA
3G ’94-’00 Integra GS-R USA DC B18C1 1797 10.0:1 170hp@7600/128lb-ft@6200 Y80
3G ’94-’00 Integra USA DC B18B1 1834 9.2:1 142hp@6300/127lb-ft@5200 S80, Y80
LS/RS/GS
3G ’97-’98, ’00 Integra Type R USA DC B18C5 1797 10.6:1 195hp@8000/130lb-ft@7500 S80
3G ’95-’97 Integra SiR Japan DC B18C 1797 10.6:1 178hp@7600/129lb-ft@6200 Y80,S80(opt. LSD)
3G ’95-’00 Integra Type R Japan DC/DB B18C 1797 11.0:1 197hp@8000/134lb-ft@7500 S80 LSD
2G ’90-’91 Integra GS USA DB B18A1 1834 9.2:1 130hp@6000/121lb-ft@5000 YS1
2G ’92-’93 Integra GS USA DB B18A1 1834 9.2:1 140hp@6300/121lb-ft@5200 YS1
2G ’92-’93 Integra GS-R USA DB B17A1 1678 10.0:1 160hp@7600/117lb-ft@7000 YS1
2G ’90-’93 Integra Japan DB ZC 1590 9.0:1 119hp@6300/105lb-ft@5500 S1, A1, J1
2G ’90-’91 Integra XSi/RSi Japan DA B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112lb-ft@7000 S1, A1, J1
2G ’92-’93 Integra XSi/RSi Japan DA B16A 1595 10.2:1 158hp@7600/112lb-ft@7000 YS1 (opt. LSD)
1G ’88-’89 Integra USA DA D16A3 1590 9.5:1 118hp@5500/103lb-ft@5500 CG
1G ’86-’87 Integra USA DA D16A1 1590 9.5:1 113hp@6250/99lb-ft@5500 CG
1G ’86-’89 Integra Japan AV ZC 1590 9.6:1 129hp@6800/106lb-ft@5700 CG
PRELUDE
5G ’99+ Prelude USA BB6 H22A 2157 10.0:1 200hp@7000/156lb-ft@5250
5G ’97-’98 Prelude USA BB6 H22A1 2157 10.0:1 195hp@7000/156lb-ft@5250
5G ’97+ Prelude SiR Japan BB H22A 2157 10.6:1 200@6800rpm/161lb-ft@5500
5G ’97+ Prelude Type S Japan BB H22A 2157 11.0:1 220@7200rpm/163lb-ft@6500
4G ’92-’96 Prelude S USA BB F22A1 2156 8.8:1 135hp@5200/142lb-ft@4000
4G ’92-’96 Prelude Si/SE USA BB2 H23A1 2258 9.8:1 160hp@5800/156lb-ft@4500
4G ’94-’96 Prelude VTEC USA BB1 H22A1 2156 10.0:1 190hp@6800/158lb-ft@5500
4G ’92-’96 Prelude Si Japan BA F22 2156 160hp@6000/148lb-ft@5000
(DOHC, non VTEC)
4G ’92-’96 Prelude VTEC Japan BB H22 2157 10.6:1 200@6800/161lb-ft@5500
3G ’90-’91 Prelude 2.0S USA BA B20A3 1958 9.1:1 104hp@5800/111lb-ft@4000
3G ’90-’91 Prelude 2.0Si USA BA B20A5 1958 9.0:1 135hp@5800/111lb-ft@4000
3G ’90-’91 Prelude Si USA BA B21A1 2056 9.4:1 140hp@5800/135lb-ft@5000
3G ’88-’89 Prelude Si USA BA B20A5 1958 9.0:1 135hp K4
THE ODDBALLS
’99+ SMX Japan B20Z 1972 9.6:1 146hp@6200/133lb-ft@4500
’97-’98 CR-V USA RD B20B 1972 8.8:1 126hp@5400/133lb-ft@4300

might be useful also.

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Postby Xman » April 20th, 2006, 10:28 am

6G ’99-’00 Civic Si USA EM B16A 1595 10.2:1 160hp@7600/111lb-ft@7000 S4C
6G ’96-’00 Civic EX USA EJ D16Y8 1590 9.6:1 127hp@6600/107lb-ft@5500
6G ’97+ Civic Type R Japan EK B16B 1595 10.8:1 184hp@8200/118lb-ft@7500
6G ’96+ Civic SiR II Japan EK B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 S4C
6G ’96+ Civic Vti Europe EK B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300
5G ’92-’95 Civic Si USA EG/EH D16Z6 1590 9.2:1 125hp@6600/106lb-ft@5200
5G ’92-’95 Civic SiR Japan EG B16A 1595 10.4:1 168hp@7800/116lb-ft@7300 Y21


In every listing like these I never see the 99-00 Civic EK Japan D15B 1497 105hp@???

Good info thou

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Postby Sam87 » April 27th, 2006, 5:41 pm

Thanks for the info VAL... really helped out

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Postby Val » April 27th, 2006, 7:22 pm

chamelionKI, really? how did it help? what did you do? I'm curious.

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Postby civcdrvrinwrx » April 27th, 2006, 8:55 pm

good point there xman by the way the sohc d15b 3 stage vtec does 130ps@6800 rpm and redlines at 7200 rpm( stock that is :twisted: :twisted: )
val good stats man 8-)
but dont be leavin out the little guy :oops:

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Postby Val » May 1st, 2006, 3:17 pm

sorry dey man

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