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WTK BORING a HONDA BLOCK

Posted: May 26th, 2009, 3:26 pm
by N1
Can anyone suggest a GOOD place to have my engine bored?
Number and location would be helpful.
Thanks.

Posted: May 27th, 2009, 7:23 pm
by B20VTEK
Fats El socorro

Posted: May 27th, 2009, 8:09 pm
by red_dragon
just make sure and drop the pistons to bore the block
also the DECK THE BLOCK AFTER

Posted: May 27th, 2009, 9:15 pm
by B20VTEK
why to deck d block?

Posted: May 27th, 2009, 10:39 pm
by N1
What you think about Baldwin?

Posted: May 27th, 2009, 11:41 pm
by B20VTEK
good shop

Posted: May 28th, 2009, 6:19 am
by red_dragon
B20VTEK wrote:why to deck d block?


to ensure the surface is flat

Posted: June 3rd, 2009, 10:59 am
by Vivek
tola's?

Posted: June 3rd, 2009, 4:10 pm
by red_dragon
sorry ^ tola will have to send to a machine shop

he does not have that machine

Posted: June 3rd, 2009, 4:46 pm
by Zim
^Check PM

Posted: June 4th, 2009, 10:41 am
by Vivek
oohhh okies

Posted: September 15th, 2009, 6:28 pm
by Sky
Lemme bump to ask something.
Anyone have any contacts for Fats or Balwin?

Posted: September 15th, 2009, 10:56 pm
by nolimit
^ Baldwin - 667-6646 or 667-2195

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:20 pm
by wana-B-racer
could you safely bore and sleeve a b16a block for 87mm pistons

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:34 pm
by red_dragon
^ u Mad... max is 84 and at 87 is little probs to line up on the head

if u have a b16 head measure centre and see where 87 puts u :shock:

cause dart max size is 84.5mm .. which is the way to go

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:35 pm
by wana-B-racer
B16A/B - Standard Stroke (77mm)
Bore (mm) Displacement (cc)
81 (stock) 1587.3196374522463
81.5 1606.974544180336
82 1626.7504041805982
82.5 1646.6472174530331
83 1666.6649839976414
83.5 1686.8037038144223
84 1707.0633769033761
84.5 1727.4440032645025
85 1747.945582897802
85.5 1768.5681158032746
86 1789.3116019809197
86.5 1810.1760414307377
87 1831.1614341527283

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:36 pm
by B20VTEK
wana-B-racer wrote:could you safely bore and sleeve a b16a block for 87mm pistons


b16a no
h22 yes :twisted:

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:38 pm
by wana-B-racer
then 84mm it is

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:41 pm
by red_dragon
i know u up to :twisted: check me

at 87 wall to thin

Posted: September 16th, 2009, 10:49 pm
by red_dragon
The Eddies Honda Block Sleeving Process
Block sleeving is the process of replacing part of the stock cylinder walls and pressing in a new Iron Ductile Sleeve into the block. We machine out the entire sleeve are of the engine and replace it with a customs sleeve that integrate with the top of the cylinder block. The iron ductile sleeves we use at Eddies are much thicker than the stock cylinders and therefore very reliable. The reasons many of our customers sleeve their blocks is to increase displacement with a bigger bore and to strengthen the block for high boost applications.

Increasing the displacement on a Honda/Acura block is achieved through bigger bore size pistons or stroking the motor through different rods length and modifications on the crank. But in this case, we are focusing on sleeving the block, so bigger bore sizes usually increase 1.8L B18 blocks all the way to 2.1L and slightly more. Since stock Acura/Honda blocks can only go .5 to 1mm overbore, we would need to sleeve the block to be able to do 3mm and even up to 6mm overbore on these B-series motors.

This is a common thing to do in all honda/acura motor setups. B18 motors usually go 84mm to become a 2.0L, while a B16 with 84mm bore will be about 1.8L max bore on all motor race setups are 87mm bore while reliable bore for the street maxes out at 84mm. In effect, the bigger displacement usually end up in higher torque numbers in these setups.

Bigger bore blocks are also done in Turbo setups. But bore size is kept usually at 84mm max to still have a thick sleeve for strength on these high boost/high pressure applications. We personally don’t feel the need for big bore on Turbo setups. Many racers have been successful in making large amounts of HP with just an 81 or 81.5mm bore and have achieved a 1/4 mile time of around 10 seconds with a true daily driven car such as a honda civic or acura using pump gas when driving around town.

The other big reason to sleeve a block is to strengthen the block to be able to handle the high pressures during boost. The stock sleeves can actually handle a good amount of pressure, but in very extreme conditions, you need a block is prepped with a thick sleeve to hold these pressures. At boost, the block experiences more pressure than normal and can cause distortion and movement of the walls due to the heat and pressure. With these sleeves, it prevents that and keeps the block in tact to handle more stress than normal.

Posted: September 17th, 2009, 5:08 am
by r3iXmann
B20VTEK wrote:
wana-B-racer wrote:could you safely bore and sleeve a b16a block for 87mm pistons


b16a no
h22 yes :twisted:


h22 is already 87mm

but boring is a nono with the stock frm sleeves