B16A/B18 LOW BOOST or B18C-R or FRANK?

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 12:01 am

jc-check ure pm

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 12:03 am

SR-wat do u mean by 1 day i'll find out? :lol:

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 10:20 am

WAT U GUYS DRIVIN AND IN WAT?
I KNOW: Kes has a Eg 4 dr-1.5Vtec manual
q unit-Ek 4dr 1.5non-vtec manual

WAT ABOUT D REST?

B18b-u drivin a turbo B18 right? :roll:

Hatch is best-hatch wit B18c-R? :roll:

Cleriq-B18c-R hatch? :roll:

B20-Frank? :roll:

jc-civic?

Dragon-Frank? :roll:

Kinday-B18c-R? :roll:

SR-B18c-R? :roll:

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 10:21 am

^ he meant that if u meet he will show u why a
B18C-SR is better over the other option

and no i did not make a mistake

there is a B18C-SR .. JUST ASK SR :twisted:

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 10:26 am

red_dragon wrote:^ he meant that if u meet he will show u why a
B18C-SR is better over the other option

and no i did not make a mistake

there is a B18C-SR .. JUST ASK SR

Dragon-by B18C-SR u mean Spoon tuned B18C-R? If so i'm guessin it cost a lot but's worth it? :?:

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 11:12 am

yES on both

trincivic · Postby **trincivic** » February 24th, 2009, 11:50 am

I would recommend a ls/vtec b18a/b- best value for money with all readily available OEM parts

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 12:14 pm

but it is the same budget as a CRVTEC

to get a LS to 180whp

is bout $15K minimun

next major thing find an LS block for cheap :roll:

hatch is best · Postby **hatch is best** » February 24th, 2009, 1:17 pm

Hatch is best-hatch wit B18c-GSR

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 1:27 pm

trincivic-how avaliable is your recommended set-up?
dragon-would d ls/vtec really cost d same as a CRVTEC?

EVERY1- SO SAY I GET A B16A CONVERSION 4 15K,
WOULD D REMAININ 15K NOT B ENOUGH FOR A BAMBOO 6PSI SET UP ON STOCK INTERNALS WIT MANAGEMENT?
AND IF SO WOULD IT HOLD OUT 4 BOUT A YEAR UNTIL I CAN DO IT PROPERLY?
ALSO WAT WOULD B D EXPECTED HP/TQ GAIN FROM LETS SAY 145WHP/116ft.lbs tq? :roll:

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 1:29 pm

hatch is best-wat colour? :roll:

paz · Postby **paz** » February 24th, 2009, 1:42 pm

i say boost the b16a .. parts are much easier and cheaper to get for this engine (complete engine or head or block seperate .

providing that your engine was properly maintained . get a reliable turbo kit and run 8 psi .it will but down more power and TORQUE than the b18c-r ,crvtec.

in the event of being strapped for cash /destruction of the engine .it is much easy to sell or part out a turbo kit than it is to sell NA parts .

value for money with boost is much better than it is with NA .

to build a proper NA car you easily spend 15 plus thousand

if i had to go NA though i would only purchase a b18c-r (already has a better flowing head,im and tb, high compression pistions ,cams, headers and depending or which model 4.7 FD )

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 2:03 pm

^ SAID

later if u need more power

add a B18 block to the mix

then just hold on

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 2:07 pm

Forza
Yes
cause is the same build
just the
CRVTEC is 2.0L
LS is 1.8L

but the same parts are required

Main thing the LS can take more abuse

Bamboo Turbo is a NO

paz · Postby **paz** » February 24th, 2009, 2:22 pm

red_dragon wrote:Forza
Yes
cause is the same build
just the
CRVTEC is 2.0L
LS is 1.8L

but the same parts are required

Main thing the LS can take more abuse

Bamboo Turbo is a NO

plus you can use b16 pistions in yur LS for a high comp

bamboo turbo ...do it right the first time

Postby SR » February 24th, 2009, 2:24 pm

sigh.........

forza

what do you have at present

Clerique · Postby **Clerique** » February 24th, 2009, 3:03 pm

Lemme answer some of your questions:

FORZA_PRETTYBOY wrote:WAT U GUYS DRIVIN AND IN WAT?
I KNOW: Kes has a Eg 4 dr-1.5Vtec manual Wrong
q unit-Ek 4dr 1.5non-vtec manual I dunno

WAT ABOUT D REST?

B18b-u drivin a turbo B18 right? I dunno
Hatch is best-hatch wit B18c-R? something better
Cleriq-B18c-R hatch? I guess you could call it a hatch
B20-Frank? Wrong
jc-civic? I dunno
Dragon-Frank? Correct
Kinday-B18c-R? Wrong
SR-B18c-R? Correct

So far, there is only one person in this entire thread who has a boosted B series and he is not even telling you to go boost.

Here's a thread if you want to find more trinituners with boosted hondas ... :roll:

http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/vie ... p?t=228956

I only know of Red Dragon with a Frank (in this thread) and even he is promoting B18C-R.

To sum it all up...

There is a B18C-R conversion @ D&D Tyres right now, call them. You'll get it for less than $30,000.

I don't think you are ready for any kinda of project like Boost or Hybrids.

There are guys in this thread that have blown more than your budget on one engine.
Not being harsh, just being real!

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 3:32 pm

on this thread these are the NA guys THUS FAR

there are other around .....

NOTE THIS IS NOT IN AN ORDER

Hatch is best-hatch wit B18c :twisted:

Cleriq-B18c :twisted:

Dragon-B20 :evil:

Kinday-B18c-R? :fist:

SR-B18c

all of which gonna stay NA for a while :twisted:

.. when these change to Turbo start to RUN

reason I did not recommend the CRvtec or LSvtec.. if u do not have a good builder .. u under pressure

as for the B18C or B18C-R complete swap just drop it in

and u good to go also a good platform to start on

and in comparison for me

my CRVTEC build VS a Turbo B16a would have costed $25K more than what i spent

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 5:23 pm

paz-if i go wit ure advice it'll cost a lot more dan 30k 4 now(turbo kit-3600us)

dragon-i know it's d same build(1.8-2.0),but i thought d 2.0 needed more attention

SR- i have a 99-00 EK4 manual,99-00 Ek3 & a 99-00 hatch,i want to sell both both d EK4 &3 & start from scratch wit d hatch :mrgreen:

Cleriq- why u answered my ques. wit right & wrong?,it wasn't a test :lol:

I GUESS B18C-R HAS IT SO FAR
BUT WOULD I B ABLE 2 GET 1 FOR 30K INSTALLED?,& IF SO, WOULD A USED 1 B ABLE 2 MEET ALL MY GOALS(eg.180whp)?
ALSO WAT WOULD B D COST INSTALLED PLUS BREAKES?(I'LL LOOK AT SUSPENSION COSTS SEPARATELY) :mrgreen:

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 5:31 pm

THE CRVTEC need more attention cause the cylinder wall is one of the weak points(B20 block only ) in addition to the rods and rod bolts (same as LS)

Postby SR » February 24th, 2009, 5:32 pm

cater $40k

if 30k is your bottom line budget then go for a b16a conversion

with everything done the RIGHT way

jc · Postby jc » February 24th, 2009, 5:50 pm

some good info here guys

what about the cost to take a b16a engine and increase from 1600 to a 1800cc's, how reliable will the car be and parts list :?:

what kinda whp you looking at, NA with a good tune :?:

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 6:07 pm

jc wrote:what about the cost to take a b16a engine and increase from 1600 to a 1800cc's, how reliable will the car be and parts list

what kinda whp you looking at, NA with a good tune

u have a few options

put a b18 cranks , put shorter rods .....

get a stroker kit bout $2K US

or get a complete b18C or B18a/b Block

Best option is the last one and cheapest ... i did the research already

jc · Postby jc » February 24th, 2009, 7:09 pm

red_dragon wrote:u have a few options

get a stroker kit bout $2K US

or get a complete b18C or B18a/b Block

Best option is the last one and cheapest ... i did the research already

the kit uses pistons to fit the b16a block, just shorter rods or will i need to cut the block to fit the pistons :?:

the last option, besides the block, what else am i looking at and the cost :?:

what kinda whp would be attainable with stock b16a intake and head on any of the above and how reliable are these builds :?:

g unit · Postby **g unit** » February 24th, 2009, 7:18 pm

FORZA_PRETTYBOY, dont get scared man i promoted ur sale well. wen u sell, i will be waiting on some comission :lol:

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 7:23 pm

SR- so with 30k i wouldn't even get a B18C-R installed?,& if so ,wat could b d expected whp from a jap beaten B18?,condition of g.box expected etc?

jc- u rush my ques. on d 1800cc block/stroker kit :mrgreen:

dragon- tanks 4 research info :lol:

OK GUYS WAT CAN I EXPECT FROM:
1. A B16A WIT LET'S SAY STAGE 2 S2K(ie complete cams)?
2. A B16A WIT 18 BLOCK?
3. A JAP ABUSED B18C-R STOCK?

KEEP IN MIND MY INITIAL GOALS! :lol:

FORZA_PRETTYBOY · Postby **FORZA_PRETTYBOY** » February 24th, 2009, 7:27 pm

q unit- tanks man,i done losin bad,but we'll c :mrgreen:

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » February 24th, 2009, 7:33 pm

jc wrote:
red_dragon wrote:u have a few options

get a stroker kit bout $2K US

or get a complete b18C or B18a/b Block

Best option is the last one and cheapest ... i did the research already

the kit uses pistons to fit the b16a block, just shorter rods or will i need to cut the block to fit the pistons

the last option, besides the block, what else am i looking at and the cost

what kinda whp would be attainable with stock b16a intake and head on any of the above and how reliable are these builds

for the stroker option
check
www.crower.com

kit has crank,shorter rods and pistons.

for the last option complete block , (crank , main caps at least)
u could always buy better rods and pistons after

if is a B18c nothing
for a B18a/d AKA LS u need a vtec conversion kit

reliable as the builder and driver abuse

paz · Postby **paz** » February 24th, 2009, 7:36 pm

Forza you can piece together your own kit (quality parts)

for about $1500 USD

stealthmode oil lines 80usd
blox t3 cast iron manidfold $180 usd
ebay intercooler and piping kit $2000 ttd
tial or turbonetics wastegaste $150-300 usd
turbo used $350 usd to 550 usd
BOv ....
locally made downpipe ....

a b18c-r complete sells for about 20k or more ( you still gonna have to pay for installation,do at minimum a 100k service, clutch kit )