T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

[agent007]

Your friend has taste and I see what he replaced the new bt50 with lol?

One of my friends in AU got his new bt50 delivered monday

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[agent007]

The new raja chariot has arrived oui! Dem not easy..

Any pics?

Imagine the price they gonna try and buss for it na. And it will be nowhere near trimmed or outfitted as that new Invincible. Saw a white as well from Czar Distribution I think.

Looks like they brought a few units that sold already .

$385k is the quoted price.

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[rebound]

385k yuh say inno...

[agent007]

We back on orbit with this one...

[carluva]

That not really shocking. The high spec leather interior from TTTL is around that same price.

BTW is the vehicle in those pics really the new 2021 Hilux? It's a Rocco which looks very similar to the current Roccos.

385k yuh say inno...

[roadhog]

That not really shocking. The high spec leather interior from TTTL is around that same price.

BTW is the vehicle in those pics really the new 2021 Hilux? It's a Rocco which looks very similar to the current Roccos.

385k yuh say inno...

2021 is just really a facelift
And better performance

[carluva]

I know. But is that pic the 2021 model or just the last Rocco before the 2021 model?

That not really shocking. The high spec leather interior from TTTL is around that same price.

BTW is the vehicle in those pics really the new 2021 Hilux? It's a Rocco which looks very similar to the current Roccos.

385k yuh say inno...

2021 is just really a facelift
And better performance

[rebound]

Makes you wonder what car prices would go to with the quotas and tax increase..

I treasuring meh Bicycle now yes.

[agent007]

The new Rocco brought in via grey market as posted above are the new 2021 models. It’s the 2nd facelift for the new Hilux but this time with a bump in hp and torque. 201hp and 500Nm torque. So it officially dethrones the Ranger/BT-50 3.2 as well as the Colorado 2.8 with their 197hp rating by a total of 4 additional horses. These 4 horses are much needed to handle the additional chrome that is expected to add weight to the vehicle when purchased locally.

With the new BT-50 with less power and the Colorado making it’s possible exit for good. The pickup HP/torque war will be between Toyota and Ford.

TTTL previously sold their top-spec leather SRV for $355k. So the grey market dealer adding a further $30k to their price was expected since they have exclusivity for now. Same concept they applied for the new L200 which sold at $355k or a whopping additional $56k over the non refresh units currently at DM which includes a 2 year free service package.

Major markups these grey market people are enjoying!

[nick639v2]

Your friend has taste and I see what he replaced the new bt50 with lol?

One of my friends in AU got his new bt50 delivered monday

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Loll bt was actually his wife's choice. They lived on the east coast, so alot of damage control still and she bought it to put to work. Both vans are getting the tub pulled off and going full custom. I love what they do there with those flat bed trays.




Oh btw, Ansa just got new sporteros, available for viewing from tomorrow in the showrooms.

[digitalgamingtt]

What are the general thoughts about the ford ranger 2.2l 4x4 automatic? Ansa has 2021 models in stock now and its 299k.

[agent007]

Ford is such a low energy brand here now. They sell the ranger and the ecosport alone right? Ranger get tired so maybe you can try something else.

What’s going on with Chevrolet guys? Hearing some rumors in a car WhatsApp group that they exiting the T&T market. Is this true?

Also, the Jeep Compass 1.4T is $299k, who ever thought that a Jeep can be so “affordable”?

Is something up with these 3 American brands locally? Are they struggling, are they pulling out? Any inside info would be appreciated, thanks.

[nick639v2]

What are the general thoughts about the ford ranger 2.2l 4x4 automatic? Ansa has 2021 models in stock now and its 299k.

Yea they had it a while now actually. With the sync3 system etc. I personally don't like the way it handles acceleration, there's a slingshot feel to the transmission and the body roll, took it off the lists for me.

Test drive before hand... I can't stress this enough, let it be your determining factor....cuz reliability these days is directly related to how you maintain your vehicle. (Scroll up a bit to my review, everything the Bt50/ford interchangeable in that script)

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Front of that new hilux has a fortunerish look...agent, any info on engine?? 1kd??? 385k for a pickup though....scratches head

[agent007]

1KD phased out since 2018. We getting the new 1GD and that 2021 refresh is the updated 1GD, call it an unofficial 1GD-FTV v2 if you may.

[PariaMan]

Spoke to a Toyota salesperson

She said the facelift model will not be before the new year but no definite date

1KD phased out since 2018. We getting the new 1GD and that 2021 refresh is the updated 1GD, call it an unofficial 1GD-FTV v2 if you may.

[carluva]

Same thing I was told today and that there's limited stock... All that is available is the 2.4l in which there's the sale and the 2.8l mid spec fabric for 312k. Facelift model should be here not before end-January.

PS Pariaman, did you call south TTTL and if so did you speak to the hoggish lady who didn't seem too interested in speaking to a potential customer? Her attitude was almost as if "These Toyotas will sell regardless of whether I speak to you or not, so stop wasting my time with a bunch of questions"....

Real stink attitude

Spoke to a Toyota salesperson

She said the facelift model will not be before the new year but no definite date

1KD phased out since 2018. We getting the new 1GD and that 2021 refresh is the updated 1GD, call it an unofficial 1GD-FTV v2 if you may.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

1KD phased out since 2018. We getting the new 1GD and that 2021 refresh is the updated 1GD, call it an unofficial 1GD-FTV v2 if you may.

Didnt you do a write up on the 1GD?? Can you link it please, need to do some research on that engine to see its worth investing in a raj lux

[agent007]

I wrote up a comparison between our Hilux and our np300 in the pickup thread but I don’t recall anything on the 1gd. But if you search this thread, back in 2016, another user posted this info:

1KD-FTV
3.0 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing belt
2 counter rotating balance shafts
5-speed automatic with manual shift mode
120-127kW @ 3400rpm (161-170hp)
360Nm /265 ft-lbs peak torque @ 1800-3400rpm
Euro 4/5
17.9:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350 bar/19,580psi
TMIC

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1GD-FTV
2.8 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing chain
single counter rotating balance shaft
6-speed automatic with manual shift mode
130-132kW @ 3400rpm (174-177hp)
450Nm / 332ft-lbs peak torque @ 1400-2600rpm
Euro 6
15.6:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350bar/19,580psi
FMIC

Toyota claims the new 2.8 in comparison to the old 3.0 has a 30% smaller turbo; 25% more torque; 15% more fuel efficient;30% smaller catalyst and 44% better thermal efficiency.

[scotty_buttons]

I wrote up a comparison between our Hilux and our np300 in the pickup thread but I don’t recall anything on the 1gd. But if you search this thread, back in 2016, another user posted this info:

1KD-FTV
3.0 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing belt
2 counter rotating balance shafts
5-speed automatic with manual shift mode
120-127kW @ 3400rpm (161-170hp)
360Nm /265 ft-lbs peak torque @ 1800-3400rpm
Euro 4/5
17.9:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350 bar/19,580psi
TMIC

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1GD-FTV
2.8 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing chain
single counter rotating balance shaft
6-speed automatic with manual shift mode
130-132kW @ 3400rpm (174-177hp)
450Nm / 332ft-lbs peak torque @ 1400-2600rpm
Euro 6
15.6:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350bar/19,580psi
FMIC

Toyota claims the new 2.8 in comparison to the old 3.0 has a 30% smaller turbo; 25% more torque; 15% more fuel efficient;30% smaller catalyst and 44% better thermal efficiency.

How’s the GD coping with our diesel.

Remember initially Toyota reps was speaking against the grey market GD engines and they were still selling the KD.

Unless the KD that they sell has some special tuning for our high sulphur diesel

[carluva]

I was told by a TTTL technician that the 1GD is doing very well. It's been in our country now about 4+ years and to date, I haven't heard of any issues. I even know a few people who bought the 1GD from the grey market while TTTL was still selling the 1KD, and these folks have no issues.

I am not sure if any tweaks were done to the map for the TTTL 1GD, but I was also told that local fuel samples were sent to Toyota for analysis and this in turn would have been compared to the 1GD engine design to "optimise" compatibility. I can't say for certain if that's true or not, so I'll have to take the word of my contact.

But the point is, and this is on the basis that what I've said is indeed the case (which I believe to be true as many other dealers seem to do the same) Toyota seems to do a bit more research in local conditions before a vehicle is introduced to market. Grey market does not and they will bring a vehicle from a another market that was not necessarily meant for the local market.

Of course, given that many of the 1GDs seem to be faring well, grey market and local, then this could debunk any statements that research was done into local conditions. Or, maybe the 1GD is such a hardy engine that it'll work here no matter what.

Regardless, I strongly believe the 1GD is doing well here and doesn't appear to have any major issues.

BTW, you can't really "tune" an engine for sulphur. Sulphur is a "poison" in fuel and sulphur is responsible for the acidity in an engine which, over time, causes damage and wear. Sulphur is also a pollutant to the environment as the combustion process results in sulphur dioxide. Engine is tuned for fuel quality which has to do with composition of the fuel (cetanes+). That is why engine oils have a TBN or total base number which reflects the alkalinity of the oil which in turn will neutralise the effects of acidity due to sulphur and nitrogen. This helps reduce the effects of acidity in the engine.

I wrote up a comparison between our Hilux and our np300 in the pickup thread but I don’t recall anything on the 1gd. But if you search this thread, back in 2016, another user posted this info:

1KD-FTV
3.0 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing belt
2 counter rotating balance shafts
5-speed automatic with manual shift mode
120-127kW @ 3400rpm (161-170hp)
360Nm /265 ft-lbs peak torque @ 1800-3400rpm
Euro 4/5
17.9:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350 bar/19,580psi
TMIC

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

1GD-FTV
2.8 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing chain
single counter rotating balance shaft
6-speed automatic with manual shift mode
130-132kW @ 3400rpm (174-177hp)
450Nm / 332ft-lbs peak torque @ 1400-2600rpm
Euro 6
15.6:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350bar/19,580psi
FMIC

Toyota claims the new 2.8 in comparison to the old 3.0 has a 30% smaller turbo; 25% more torque; 15% more fuel efficient;30% smaller catalyst and 44% better thermal efficiency.

How’s the GD coping with our diesel.

Remember initially Toyota reps was speaking against the grey market GD engines and they were still selling the KD.

Unless the KD that they sell has some special tuning for our high sulphur diesel

[PariaMan]

2021 facelift

[nick639v2]

Mehhh. I don't that grill at all, but basically the same van at the end of the day. The ys23 twin and single turbo is the mainstream engine for the np300 worldwide now. Wonder what will be done for our market

[rebound]

Almost Hiluxish..

[shake d livin wake d dead]

All kinda rajness to be added to that

[scotty_buttons]

I was told by a TTTL technician that the 1GD is doing very well. It's been in our country now about 4+ years and to date, I haven't heard of any issues. I even know a few people who bought the 1GD from the grey market while TTTL was still selling the 1KD, and these folks have no issues.

I am not sure if any tweaks were done to the map for the TTTL 1GD, but I was also told that local fuel samples were sent to Toyota for analysis and this in turn would have been compared to the 1GD engine design to "optimise" compatibility. I can't say for certain if that's true or not, so I'll have to take the word of my contact.

But the point is, and this is on the basis that what I've said is indeed the case (which I believe to be true as many other dealers seem to do the same) Toyota seems to do a bit more research in local conditions before a vehicle is introduced to market. Grey market does not and they will bring a vehicle from a another market that was not necessarily meant for the local market.

Of course, given that many of the 1GDs seem to be faring well, grey market and local, then this could debunk any statements that research was done into local conditions. Or, maybe the 1GD is such a hardy engine that it'll work here no matter what.

Regardless, I strongly believe the 1GD is doing well here and doesn't appear to have any major issues.

BTW, you can't really "tune" an engine for sulphur. Sulphur is a "poison" in fuel and sulphur is responsible for the acidity in an engine which, over time, causes damage and wear. Sulphur is also a pollutant to the environment as the combustion process results in sulphur dioxide. Engine is tuned for fuel quality which has to do with composition of the fuel (cetanes+). That is why engine oils have a TBN or total base number which reflects the alkalinity of the oil which in turn will neutralise the effects of acidity due to sulphur and nitrogen. This helps reduce the effects of acidity in the engine.

I wrote up a comparison between our Hilux and our np300 in the pickup thread but I don’t recall anything on the 1gd. But if you search this thread, back in 2016, another user posted this info:

1KD-FTV
3.0 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing belt
2 counter rotating balance shafts
5-speed automatic with manual shift mode
120-127kW @ 3400rpm (161-170hp)
360Nm /265 ft-lbs peak torque @ 1800-3400rpm
Euro 4/5
17.9:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350 bar/19,580psi
TMIC

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

1GD-FTV
2.8 DOHC 16V in-line 4 CRDi VNT
uses timing chain
single counter rotating balance shaft
6-speed automatic with manual shift mode
130-132kW @ 3400rpm (174-177hp)
450Nm / 332ft-lbs peak torque @ 1400-2600rpm
Euro 6
15.6:1 compression ratio
135mpa/1350bar/19,580psi
FMIC

Toyota claims the new 2.8 in comparison to the old 3.0 has a 30% smaller turbo; 25% more torque; 15% more fuel efficient;30% smaller catalyst and 44% better thermal efficiency.

How’s the GD coping with our diesel.

Remember initially Toyota reps was speaking against the grey market GD engines and they were still selling the KD.

Unless the KD that they sell has some special tuning for our high sulphur diesel

Good info man. Thanks!

[PariaMan]

That was a convo designed to discourage purchasing from the grey market

[carluva]

Don't follow.

That was a convo designed to discourage purchasing from the grey market

[limegreen]

it’s interesting that Toyota would ask for fuel samples considering TT is such a small market.

[PariaMan]

Initially toyota trinidad was selling the new model with the old 3.0 engine while the grey market was already selling the new model with the newer 2.8 engine

They tried to discourage people from the grey market by claiming the 2.8 was not suited to our diesel

Don't follow.

That was a convo designed to discourage purchasing from the grey market