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Did not see write about this when non PNM goverments got more total votes than this minority PNM goverment.Redman wrote:eliteauto wrote:Tens of thousands of participants in Carnival annually, 10 vids and a couple of pics of a few stupid humans doing what stupid humans do = the whole thing bad and gone through. Y'all must lead really interesting lives
Thank you.
Judging whole populations using the lowest common denominator and a narrow sample must be a thing.
Trinispougla wrote:Gladiator wrote:Kes music is not among the best in the world bro.... he has very little singing ability. Probably better than the rest locally but listen to a live performance and if you appreciate that then your standards for music kinda low.
oh really? dude............i don't listen to armen van whateverhisnameis........or taylor swift or any of that nasty dancehall garbage that south and central men love to blast on the highway. KES is one of the best musicians in the country, in the world for that matter. I am a serious collector of music, so i believe my opinion carries at least some weight. As i said, i listened to magic by kes, jimmy october and Etienne charles(who had the #1 rated jazz album on Billboard for a few months) live and i know not only that Kes is quality but also his band. Man if you would come out of that non-permeable membrane you're stuck in, then maybe you'd realize good, in fact great things can come from TT
Well if you know so much.....tell us some better artistes nah
Rovin wrote:Trinispougla wrote:Gladiator wrote:Kes music is not among the best in the world bro.... he has very little singing ability. Probably better than the rest locally but listen to a live performance and if you appreciate that then your standards for music kinda low.
oh really? dude............i don't listen to armen van whateverhisnameis........or taylor swift or any of that nasty dancehall garbage that south and central men love to blast on the highway. KES is one of the best musicians in the country, in the world for that matter. I am a serious collector of music, so i believe my opinion carries at least some weight. As i said, i listened to magic by kes, jimmy october and Etienne charles(who had the #1 rated jazz album on Billboard for a few months) live and i know not only that Kes is quality but also his band. Man if you would come out of that non-permeable membrane you're stuck in, then maybe you'd realize good, in fact great things can come from TT
Well if you know so much.....tell us some better artistes nah
i jes aksin for my enlightenment eh , whats wrong with taylor swift's music ?
& also for some examples of whats in ur serious collection ....
Numb3r4 wrote:Kes is actually quite good, though if you listen to local stations you wouldn't think that, even during the Carnival season, people don't seem to play too much of his music on air.
However I was abroad and the store was playing music, I assume via a music streaming service, and lo an behold, Kes was playing, pretty cool, I thought that is was nice to know that a local artist could have a tune that is picked up by the algorithms.
I don't understand though, sometimes I think Kes doesn't get the kind of recognition he deserves, but I'm glad for him and the art form.
maj. tom wrote:yeah this is why Kes is in the top 10 on Spotify/Apple Music/Google Play/Deezer/Tidal/Pandora... you name it!
He also charting on the Billboards and has appeared several times on international charts.
yeah...
Gladiator wrote:The problem with soca is that the genre has no fixed identity. One year it sounds like techno, one year like dancehall, one year like reggae, one year like zook..... all the lazy ass local DJs do is sample other genres and try to fit the shouting and dotish flag flag, wine dong, pelt water, Savannah, stage dotish lyrics into the beat. Thank god for autotune...since none of them can actually sing (except for Naila Blackman who can sing but has the weirdest pitch). She needs to do something bigger and not waste her talent on local rubbish soca.
Some years they kill the beat and it sticks, but the shelf life of soca is still 2 weeks max. Then nobody wants to listen to it. Cause its just rubbish and has no real substance.
Now I not talking bout real calypso music by real talented musicians like Sparrow, Lord Kitch, Calypso Rose, Ras Shorty, Burning Flames, Byron Lee. Allison Hinds even Gypsy... etc they had real talent, real composers, real music and that music is timeless. Even the older soca chutney by Ricki Jai and Dupatee was good. They have a little singing talent.
Someone in the industry needs to bring back the original genre of SoKah.... maybe then we can get real music that you don't have to be stoned drunk to listen to.
MaxPower wrote:Trinis feel they famous eh,
Throwing a lil concert in north America or Europe for example is quite normal for many Caribbean “artists”.
To be world famous means alot of work, and sometimes failing 1000 times before you succeed. Trinis come out with a 1 hit wonder, kill them dead the song is the best thing.
But what happens when they just cant upgrade from that Tiida?
Give up and vex.
Try harder and never give up.
Gladiator wrote:I tell yuh.... like Destra does go new york and have concert.... bout 120 basement dwelling trinis would attend.... so she is now ah international super star.... small island people yes!
teems1 wrote:Didn't Machel sell out Madison Square Garden multiple times?
shogun wrote:Gladiator wrote:I tell yuh.... like Destra does go new york and have concert.... bout 120 basement dwelling trinis would attend.... so she is now ah international super star.... small island people yes!
You get tie up. You wouldn't believe the kinda diverse audiences attending those concerts.
The problem is there isn't enough widespread/crossover support for Soca in mainstream audiences. Especially with so many other genres vying for attention (K-Pop, Latin music, EDM etc) And now that we moved from an artist/album focused market to a "hit song" focused market, it just makes things harder for ANY artist to establish him/herself.
Gladiator wrote:Yes, but start thinking outside of small island numbers.... you not looking at an international fan base of a couple thousand but a couple million. Soca will never pull that... at least not in its current form!
Most of that "diverse" crowd probably just looking for somewhere to hang that night. But they have no real love for the music... the novelty would attract a crowd but as soon as it wears off there's just nothing for the artiste till next Carnival but a hope to cash in on some prize money and make a lil change from an all inclusive or two.
Gladiator wrote:Soca will never pull that... at least not in its current form!
shogun wrote:Gladiator wrote:Yes, but start thinking outside of small island numbers.... you not looking at an international fan base of a couple thousand but a couple million. Soca will never pull that... at least not in its current form!
Most of that "diverse" crowd probably just looking for somewhere to hang that night. But they have no real love for the music... the novelty would attract a crowd but as soon as it wears off there's just nothing for the artiste till next Carnival but a hope to cash in on some prize money and make a lil change from an all inclusive or two.
Again, not true. Those concerts pull diverse crowds consistently and it's not seasonal like our market as well. Audiences that know lyrics to songs and follow those artists religiously.Gladiator wrote:Soca will never pull that... at least not in its current form!
^Thaz the problem.
To truly get the consistent mainstream presence needed, Soca would need to change from it's current form. Thaz a whole convo I ain't willing to carry orn now. Artists like Kes are on the the right track though. Globalize the sound, don't make it "Trini/Caribbean-centric" and pay attention to more popular song structure. However, thaz everything that would turn local audiences off for sounding too watered down. Basically walking a fine line and not an easy feat... but not impossible either. Would take the right artist though.
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