Flow Internet Thread

[bossmann]

With fast ethernet you will not actually get your 100mb as there is other overhead on the connection. If you have a 100mb connection you will need gigabit to utilize your full connection.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

ok, but you don't download the game every time you want to play it. A regular 50 Mbps connection for a one time download of a 42GB game is reasonable. That would take just 2 hours. Leave Steam to download and update overnight.

25Mbps is recommended for Netflix 4k streaming. The real latency to the game servers are close to 100ms from Flow and that has not changed in any "Gamer's Package."

Correct, gamers package uses the same rubbish routing and non existent ISP peering agreement. The reason Flow even has a "gamers package" is a code word for "don't switch to superior Digicel with superior ping we will secretly give you more bandwidth for less money just to stay on our sh!tty network, please don't leave us for Digicel even tho all your gaming friends have Digicel and we have no peering agreement with Digicel cause we couldn't give a fck to get off our fat lazy @ssholes and do it so please use our dog sh!t network and enjoy your 200ms ping from Chaguanas to Freeport when playing with your friends on Digicel even tho you could just take Digicel and literally get 1ms pings with your friends but please stay with Flow"

Also something to note most people usually just play 1 game right through and only ever needs to just download updates that is a few gigabyte. Like most people just play fortnite alone, cause its fun and half of them play it just for skins.

I does only play Escape from Tarkov, Path of Exile, Street Fighter and Dragon Ball Fighter Z. None of which ever requires any big update for months. The vast majority of PC gamers just play CS GO, DOTA 2 and League of Legends or Fortnite and PUBG.

None of which requires any big updates at all. Very few people does be downloading big games constantly unless they are like 12 years old and don't have a clue what to play and keeps downloading new stuff just for curiosity. Any sensible person knows 90% of games out there is garbage and not worth downloading

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

You know what even funnier? I played against people in other Caribbean Islands and the Americas who also has Flow and the latency is somewhere around 240ms. So this is how bad flow is right, just imagine they don't even have a peering agreement within their OWN Network this is how horrible their routing is.

Luckily when Starlink comes around EVERYBODY using Starlink will be playing with latency at the speed of light, Lord Elon Musk has promised us this. The possibilities will be endless, the entire of South America will be opened up to us all of Europe will be playable at the speed of light. No more worrying about people setting region filtering and that nonsense or unable to join certain lobbies because your latency is too high.

[adnj]

With fast ethernet you will not actually get your 100mb as there is other overhead on the connection. If you have a 100mb connection you will need gigabit to utilize your full connection.

I agree with what you are saying with one caveat: if you are testing the connection speed, you need Gigabit ethernet or faster. For most users, 60% to 90% of advertised is the expected connection speed. Ethernet has a 20% to 30% protocol overhead which will likely be enough to where a user will not notice an upgrade to Gigabit ethernet in daily use.

[kamakazi]

I am talking about consoles and PC.

Now I do not know what PlayStation online has become but in the past they would have specials available every month (highlighting new games or popular old games in addition to full game demos (where you download the entire game but are only allowed to play for a limited amount of time).
Gamepass for Windows live currently has loads of games on offer and while everything isn't for me, when you get a time limited access to try the games available, the download speed helps.
You might encounter other limitations... But if it only took you 30 minutes to be up and running versus two hours it hurts less.

Ever had to test why something in a game you want to play isn't working and had to re download it multiple times.

Hard drive crash or PC upgrade; how long to re download entire library.

Time is precious and for someone to say they don't understand the need for bandwidth...

Why get an SSD; might only save 30 seconds off a one minute load time. Once the stage is loaded it plays the same like if you had a hard drive. Just have to wait 30 seconds longer.

ok, but you don't download the game every time you want to play it. A regular 50 Mbps connection for a one time download of a 42GB game is reasonable. That would take just 2 hours. Leave Steam to download and update overnight.

25Mbps is recommended for Netflix 4k streaming. The real latency to the game servers are close to 100ms from Flow and that has not changed in any "Gamer's Package."

Correct, gamers package uses the same rubbish routing and non existent ISP peering agreement. The reason Flow even has a "gamers package" is a code word for "don't switch to superior Digicel with superior ping we will secretly give you more bandwidth for less money just to stay on our sh!tty network, please don't leave us for Digicel even tho all your gaming friends have Digicel and we have no peering agreement with Digicel cause we couldn't give a fck to get off our fat lazy @ssholes and do it so please use our dog sh!t network and enjoy your 200ms ping from Chaguanas to Freeport when playing with your friends on Digicel even tho you could just take Digicel and literally get 1ms pings with your friends but please stay with Flow"

Also something to note most people usually just play 1 game right through and only ever needs to just download updates that is a few gigabyte. Like most people just play fortnite alone, cause its fun and half of them play it just for skins.

I does only play Escape from Tarkov, Path of Exile, Street Fighter and Dragon Ball Fighter Z. None of which ever requires any big update for months. The vast majority of PC gamers just play CS GO, DOTA 2 and League of Legends or Fortnite and PUBG.

None of which requires any big updates at all. Very few people does be downloading big games constantly unless they are like 12 years old and don't have a clue what to play and keeps downloading new stuff just for curiosity. Any sensible person knows 90% of games out there is garbage and not worth downloading

[redmanjp]

Don't we have an IXP here in Trinidad which every major ISP has signed on to? We shouldn't be getting 200ms between ISPs here.

[daxt0r]

In a nutshell it has to do with the IPV6 peers they use.
The AS for all Digicel IPv6 prefixes are not peered through TTIX, Digicel primarily uses IPV6 for consumers, if you are are business customer though you may IPV4 in which case all related AS's are peered at TTIX. Thus this forces most IPV6 customers to route through the US to a peer that allows transit back to our IPV4 prefixes.
The main drawback on this is that major video sites like Youtube and FB will initially load faster on FLOW or TSTT as they would gain the benefit of the presence of the local Akamai CDN and caching with much better latency than a Miami location.

Traceroute from Digicel IPV4 with only 5 hops
traceroute to ns1.flowtrinidad.com (200.1.104.35), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.249 74.133 ms 80.892 ms 73.822 ms
3 200.1.107.103 55.687 ms 59.080 ms 52.506 ms
4 200.1.111.35 58.390 ms 58.437 ms 58.347 ms
5 200.1.104.35 <ns1.flowtrinidad.com> 62.346 ms 60.650 ms 59.440 ms

Traceroute from Digicel IPV6 showing routing via USA to same address goes through 16 hops
Tracing route to ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.17.1
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 179.60.213.153
3 5 ms 47 ms 48 ms 179.60.213.198
4 47 ms 47 ms 56 ms 179.60.213.213
5 47 ms 50 ms 49 ms 181.118.33.10
6 50 ms 52 ms 52 ms 172.31.13.47
7 52 ms 49 ms 49 ms 66.54.126.96
8 50 ms 53 ms 53 ms ae4.cr8-mia1.ip4.gtt.net [173.205.38.169]
9 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms mai-b3-link.telia.net [62.115.34.138]
10 52 ms 53 ms 138 ms asurnet-ic-339478-mai-b3.c.telia.net [62.115.12.17]
11 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms ae0.brx-mx2020-1.boca-raton.fl.usa.cwc.com [69.79.100.0]
12 51 ms 53 ms 51 ms 69.79.100.31
13 56 ms 98 ms 99 ms 63.245.90.219
14 98 ms 120 ms 120 ms 200.1.111.23
15 120 ms 105 ms 105 ms 200.1.111.33
16 106 ms 101 ms 100 ms ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

I am talking about consoles and PC.

Now I do not know what PlayStation online has become but in the past they would have specials available every month (highlighting new games or popular old games in addition to full game demos (where you download the entire game but are only allowed to play for a limited amount of time).
Gamepass for Windows live currently has loads of games on offer and while everything isn't for me, when you get a time limited access to try the games available, the download speed helps.
You might encounter other limitations... But if it only took you 30 minutes to be up and running versus two hours it hurts less.

Ever had to test why something in a game you want to play isn't working and had to re download it multiple times.

To be fair this is probably a console only problem, on PC when using Steam all you have to do is verify game file integrity and if it finds a file missing it will download it, not download the entire game again.

In all my years of using Steam more than a decade now I have never ever had to redownload a game that wasn't working properly just verify integrity, And a PC upgrade on Windows 10 does NOT involve reinstalling Windows you just swap parts and everything works just fine on the same SSD there is no need to reinstall anything in this day and age, what you are talking about is like a decade ago

Hard drive crash or PC upgrade; how long to re download entire library.

To be fair nobody uses hard drives anymore because SSD prices are incredibly cheap so cheap that HDD has become meaningless in the consumer world

Time is precious and for someone to say they don't understand the need for bandwidth...

Why get an SSD; might only save 30 seconds off a one minute load time. Once the stage is loaded it plays the same like if you had a hard drive. Just have to wait 30 seconds longer.

SSD makes a ton of sense, in many games I have tried an SSD can cut the loading times by more than half and games like Destiny 2 has tons and tons of loading for each map which makes it a nightmare on a hard drive cause of super long loading times. And SSD does not crash a good brand SSD can last 20 years, also nobody buys hard drives anymore


I want to point out something else, playstation store from what I heard kinda sucks because their servers are slow and capped so you can't actually download at 100mbps maybe something like 50mbps or less. Microsoft and Steam would more than likely give over 100mbps tho, but yes I understand what you are saying

What you are saying is IF you are a casual gamer and you play single player games and you manage to pay $60 USD a year to play online on consoles (Dunno why anybody would pay for Online, I mean you already pay for internet) then yes you would want to take full advantage of this rental service. And in such a case I could possibly see you wanting a fast connection and in that case Flow will benefit you.

But for 90% of gamers who just play Fortnite and playstation doesn't require PSN Plus to access Free to Play games online, all of them are going to be fine on something like 50mbps. People who buy games on Blu Ray Disk for their console probably wouldn't see any need for very high speeds since most of the data is on the disk. But online people who only download I could see it being necessary.

As for me I don't play games for Graphics I play for gameplay and in that case I end up playing the same exact game for months or years without touching another game. If a game is designed well, you wouldn't be playing anything else for months or years. But yes I fully understand the point you are making high bandwidth is very beneficial depending on the specific situation and person.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

In a nutshell it has to do with the IPV6 peers they use.
The AS for all Digicel IPv6 prefixes are not peered through TTIX, Digicel primarily uses IPV6 for consumers, if you are are business customer though you may IPV4 in which case all related AS's are peered at TTIX. Thus this forces most IPV6 customers to route through the US to a peer that allows transit back to our IPV4 prefixes.
The main drawback on this is that major video sites like Youtube and FB will initially load faster on FLOW or TSTT as they would gain the benefit of the presence of the local Akamai CDN and caching with much better latency than a Miami location.

Traceroute from Digicel IPV4 with only 5 hops
traceroute to ns1.flowtrinidad.com (200.1.104.35), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.249 74.133 ms 80.892 ms 73.822 ms
3 200.1.107.103 55.687 ms 59.080 ms 52.506 ms
4 200.1.111.35 58.390 ms 58.437 ms 58.347 ms
5 200.1.104.35 <ns1.flowtrinidad.com> 62.346 ms 60.650 ms 59.440 ms

Traceroute from Digicel IPV6 showing routing via USA to same address goes through 16 hops
Tracing route to ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.17.1
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 179.60.213.153
3 5 ms 47 ms 48 ms 179.60.213.198
4 47 ms 47 ms 56 ms 179.60.213.213
5 47 ms 50 ms 49 ms 181.118.33.10
6 50 ms 52 ms 52 ms 172.31.13.47
7 52 ms 49 ms 49 ms 66.54.126.96
8 50 ms 53 ms 53 ms ae4.cr8-mia1.ip4.gtt.net [173.205.38.169]
9 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms mai-b3-link.telia.net [62.115.34.138]
10 52 ms 53 ms 138 ms asurnet-ic-339478-mai-b3.c.telia.net [62.115.12.17]
11 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms ae0.brx-mx2020-1.boca-raton.fl.usa.cwc.com [69.79.100.0]
12 51 ms 53 ms 51 ms 69.79.100.31
13 56 ms 98 ms 99 ms 63.245.90.219
14 98 ms 120 ms 120 ms 200.1.111.23
15 120 ms 105 ms 105 ms 200.1.111.33
16 106 ms 101 ms 100 ms ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]

So I take it then that gaming between Digicel and Flow is never going to be possible in the foreseeable future?

Anytime I play a game no matter the game with my friends on Digicel here the latency is always crazy high because the connection is then WORSE than my friend from Baltimore, but if I play with 1 friend on TSTT no problems it works like 10ms latency. The problem off course is nobody uses TSTT for gaming

Watch how good the Amplia connection is compared to Digicel Chaguanas. Nobody is really going to bother playing eachother at this point. A real shame if you ask me, who would you say is at fault here for this mess? Digicel or Flow?

Just imagine a speedtest to TEXAS is closer and better than Chaguanas to Piarco? WTF

[kamakazi]

Almost certain there is someone inside this thread with a computer that has spinning rust (well besides myself).
Count yourself lucky that you never experienced a game breaking bug, incompatible driver, lack of controller options etc.
Yes I had Windows gamepass for three months when I purchased my CPU.
Yes I broke Windows 10 twice trying to copy a gamepad controller emulator to the windows game directory (Xbox360ce) to use a Logitech gamepad.
Yes I had to re download the games I had.
Yes I had playstation plus for a month (PS3).

Used the SSD as an example cause it doesn't affect gameplay after the game (stage/map) is loaded, until the next loading screen. You mentioned Skyrim and its myriad loading screens; let me counter by saying God of war 1 and 2 for PS2; almost no loading screen for a game played off a DVD, from the time the first stage loaded (they hid the loading very cleverly and you never "see" it from start to end).

The games I play nowadays are casual (I don't play the latest and greatest but I like to try a lot of indie games) and to be honest response time and latency doesn't matter nearly as much in turn based strategy or collectible card games played online.

For someone(I know it was not you Effectic) to say they do not understand the need for high data packages is to be ignorant of the variety of systems, games and people playing.

Edit: I see mention of people who bought the disc. I'm stating one exception to this which is Fallout 76. After users bought the game disc and inserted it into their console... They were greeted by a 42gb day one patch to download.
For PC I think something similar happened for the same game. After downloading the 55gb game they had to download the 42gb day one patch... But this is probably the biggest exception

[redmanjp]

So is almost the whole game basically ppl have to redownload? No smaller updates available?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

kamakazi I understand fully where you are coming from, I have a friend who plays exclusively single player games adventure etc he is a big fan of fallout and stuff and in his case he has a 100mbps connection because anything lower for him is a problem.

Right now a game like Modern Warfare remake is like 160 GB install space, downloading that on anything below 100mbps is gonna take some time. Definitely an overnight download leading well into the next day.

I do think Digicel's 50mb for $300 a month is a rip off, the flow gamers package 150mbps for $250 is so much better value it isn't even funny. And once you play server based multi player that doesn't require p2p then Flow is ideal. I am a big believer in Starlink tho because fighting games are going to depend on that for good online experience.

[redmanjp]

In a nutshell it has to do with the IPV6 peers they use.
The AS for all Digicel IPv6 prefixes are not peered through TTIX, Digicel primarily uses IPV6 for consumers, if you are are business customer though you may IPV4 in which case all related AS's are peered at TTIX. Thus this forces most IPV6 customers to route through the US to a peer that allows transit back to our IPV4 prefixes.
The main drawback on this is that major video sites like Youtube and FB will initially load faster on FLOW or TSTT as they would gain the benefit of the presence of the local Akamai CDN and caching with much better latency than a Miami location.

Traceroute from Digicel IPV4 with only 5 hops
traceroute to ns1.flowtrinidad.com (200.1.104.35), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.249 74.133 ms 80.892 ms 73.822 ms
3 200.1.107.103 55.687 ms 59.080 ms 52.506 ms
4 200.1.111.35 58.390 ms 58.437 ms 58.347 ms
5 200.1.104.35 <ns1.flowtrinidad.com> 62.346 ms 60.650 ms 59.440 ms

Traceroute from Digicel IPV6 showing routing via USA to same address goes through 16 hops
Tracing route to ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.17.1
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 179.60.213.153
3 5 ms 47 ms 48 ms 179.60.213.198
4 47 ms 47 ms 56 ms 179.60.213.213
5 47 ms 50 ms 49 ms 181.118.33.10
6 50 ms 52 ms 52 ms 172.31.13.47
7 52 ms 49 ms 49 ms 66.54.126.96
8 50 ms 53 ms 53 ms ae4.cr8-mia1.ip4.gtt.net [173.205.38.169]
9 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms mai-b3-link.telia.net [62.115.34.138]
10 52 ms 53 ms 138 ms asurnet-ic-339478-mai-b3.c.telia.net [62.115.12.17]
11 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms ae0.brx-mx2020-1.boca-raton.fl.usa.cwc.com [69.79.100.0]
12 51 ms 53 ms 51 ms 69.79.100.31
13 56 ms 98 ms 99 ms 63.245.90.219
14 98 ms 120 ms 120 ms 200.1.111.23
15 120 ms 105 ms 105 ms 200.1.111.33
16 106 ms 101 ms 100 ms ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]

so TTIX has to implement IPv6, probably a dual stack solution then

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ Any reason it hasn't been implemented yet? is it likely to ever happen?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Anyone has an explanation for this?

LOL ent Barbados is right next door? and is Flow to Flow eh just imagine that See why we need Starlink?

200 miles on the same network shouldn't be giving a latency higher than 3000 miles on a different network

[-Roach-]

Can anyone tell me the best DNS server to use on PS4 using flow?...

[daxt0r]

Anyone has an explanation for this?

LOL ent Barbados is right next door? and is Flow to Flow eh just imagine that See why we need Starlink?

200 miles on the same network shouldn't be giving a latency higher than 3000 miles on a different network

well two things:
1) That traffic is normal *internet* traffic from a normal internet user, thus it gets put in the slow lane. This is similar to what Tier 1 ISPs can do to Starlink traffic if they don't pay for prioritized access, like Netflix.
2) If you look below observe normal *internet* traffic from a business user which has a level of prioritized access due to the nature of a WAN versus internet connection to both BB speedtest and CW cloud hosted PBX.

If for example this test to hosted PBX was done however directly on VOIP phone that's connected to cloud pbx via provider MetroE switch you would get about 5-20ms delay as the traffic is prioritized and routed directly using MPLS over ARCOS backbone to the PBX location instead of bouncing over the internet. And that's the funny thing with FLOW, they actually have all the technical blocks in place and actively use non-internet routing internally for corporate/business usage but for some reason keeps normal inter-island routing bouncing out to Miami and back.

traceroute to speedtest4.flowbarbados.co (23.236.5.9), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.251 25.158 ms 25.401 ms 27.697 ms
3 200.1.107.101 16.746 ms 10.242 ms 10.963 ms
4 200.1.111.29 10.548 ms 14.900 ms 11.823 ms
5 200.1.111.24 9.612 ms 10.019 ms 10.378 ms
6 63.245.3.41 <xe-1-1-1.0-brx-teracore02.cwc.com> 58.061 ms 58.213 ms 77.173 ms
7 63.245.107.116 <xe-6-1-4.0-boca-raton.fl.us.nmi-teracore01.cwc.com> 60.285 ms 63.935 ms 57.823 ms
8 63.245.90.221 57.579 ms 57.734 ms 56.791 ms
9 * * *
10 23.236.5.9 <speedtest4.flowbarbados.co> 51.796 ms 50.957 ms 49.842 ms

traceroute to app-bb.cbscloudvoice.com (63.245.29.175), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.251 26.363 ms 20.310 ms 31.293 ms
3 200.1.107.101 10.957 ms 11.010 ms 12.436 ms
4 200.1.111.22 9.567 ms 9.445 ms 12.182 ms
5 63.245.90.218 61.604 ms 61.346 ms 61.852 ms
6 69.79.102.20 <ae9.brx-mx2020-2.boca-raton.fl.usa.cwc.com> 58.483 ms 59.586 ms 60.878 ms
7 69.79.102.1 <ae0.nmi-mx2020-2.north-miami.fl.usa.cwc.com> 61.047 ms 61.387 ms 60.774 ms
8 69.79.106.23 73.597 ms 60.694 ms 59.483 ms
9 63.245.5.85 <tengige2-1.usa.north-miami.fl.us.nmi-edge05.cwc.com> 59.252 ms 60.480 ms 59.767 ms
10 63.245.91.66 66.835 ms 60.622 ms 63.095 ms
11 63.245.29.175 <app-bb.cbscloudvoice.com> 60.772 ms 59.628 ms 59.487 ms

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ Thanks for the explanation, I find it really sickening that when playing P2P games with people so close by you end up with latency worse than 3000 miles. I remember finding a friend from Barbados in 2017 he has Flow and when we played it was horrible, ended up doing a speedtest to the flow server and realized how bad it is had same experience with another Caribbean Island. This really sad and they call it a "Gamers Package" just imagine that!!!!!!!!!!

You would think the so called "gamers package" would get some sort of priority for playing p2p games with people on your SAME network.

Why I mentioned starlink is not because Musk has to pay for priority from other ISP not at all, I mean speaking about a man from Brazil who has Starlink can play with me on Starlink which shouldn't create any issues should it?

If Starlink is covering the entire globe and not relying on anyother ISP it would be safe to assume a starlink to starlink connection anywhere will run at the speed of light yes? atleast this is what Elon Musk was hinting at on twitter

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Anybody else seeing 250mbps gamers on their current subscription when they log into their flow account?

Also I paid my bill for $250 with credit card it said paid successful I downloaded the invoice just incase. But when I go back into my account it still says unpaid but this changed

Your Current Bill Amount
$0.00


Soooo Flow now offering us 250mbps for $250 a month? if so that is a huge advantage over digicel 50mb for $300 a month

[gastly369]

250 is $450

Anybody else seeing 250mbps gamers on their current subscription when they log into their flow account?

Also I paid my bill for $250 with credit card it said paid successful I downloaded the invoice just incase. But when I go back into my account it still says unpaid but this changed

Your Current Bill Amount
$0.00


Soooo Flow now offering us 250mbps for $250 a month? if so that is a huge advantage over digicel 50mb for $300 a month

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Well me eh know nah I seeing the bill is $250 and package is 250mb Gamers

I never asked for 250mb package at all they had already raised it to 150mbps for $250 a month. Are you telling me they raised this again? cause I didn't get any email informing me of this, anybody else noticed this?

The only other thing I can think of is they raised it to 250mbps and the next bill will be billed at $300. I think I remember someone saying they were getting 250mbps gamers for $300 somewhere but I never asked to switch to anything higher than the 150mbps

Is there anybody else here seeing this speed on their account?

[felix]

they are charging me $250 but my speed is still 150 mbps

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

they are charging me $250 but my speed is still 150 mbps

That is the correct price and speed, if you want 250mbps you have to pay $300

Don't do it tho, they illegally switched me from 150mb to 250mb and now youtube gives tons of issues, lots of poor download speed as low as 3mbps etc its been a nightmare ever since, now its almost impossible to get them to revert me back and my internet is ruined after working perfect for 4 years straight.

Obviously they won't revert me because it is easier to charge me $300 a month and make more money even tho the so called 250mbps doesn't even cross 10mbps most of the time.

I won't be paying the next bill if its $300, will just switch to Digicel since Digicel has far better latency and all the gamers I know uses Digicel nobody uses Flow for gaming.

[dartzreunion]

same situation for me with the 250Mbps upgrade...flow said the slow speed is an issue everybody on the 250 upgrade experiencing.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

same situation for me with the 250Mbps upgrade...flow said the slow speed is an issue everybody on the 250 upgrade experiencing.

This is ridiculous my friend from tacarigua said he is having the same problem they switched him without his consent from 150mbps to 250mbps and now his internet works like complete sh!t, not only do we have a broken internet now that can't even break 5mbps most of the time but the price has increased to a whopping $300 LOL

And here the worst part I contacted them on facebook since I don't actually have a flow land line phone, they said their team would contact me. A woman contacted me and said "Good day I regret to inform you I do not have the power to revert your package to 150mbps"

SO I was like WTF, so she said she would pass on this info in other words nobody is going to give a sh!t and this will remain as it is. LMFAO

And here we thought only TSTT was this incompetent and dotish

[screwbash]

anyone internet giving trouble ? not getting the full speed and the dam ting only buffering video. streaming is only sticking. i trying on a 150mb flow link and a 75mb digicel link. is TATT starting to fuq with we IP tv and shiet now ?

[Dizzy28]

Watching Netflix right now with Flow and 1080p normal normal .....have the basic internet btw

anyone internet giving trouble ? not getting the full speed and the dam ting only buffering video. streaming is only sticking. i trying on a 150mb flow link and a 75mb digicel link. is TATT starting to fuq with we IP tv and shiet now ?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

anyone internet giving trouble ? not getting the full speed and the dam ting only buffering video. streaming is only sticking. i trying on a 150mb flow link and a 75mb digicel link. is TATT starting to fuq with we IP tv and shiet now ?

Boy I sick of them yes they still have me on this $300 package even tho I never ask for an "upgrade" I was fine on 150mbps ever since they put me on 250mbps that I never asked for the internet working like complete sh!t

Maybe its time for us to switch to Digicel?

[redmanjp]

same situation for me with the 250Mbps upgrade...flow said the slow speed is an issue everybody on the 250 upgrade experiencing.

This is ridiculous my friend from tacarigua said he is having the same problem they switched him without his consent from 150mbps to 250mbps and now his internet works like complete sh!t, not only do we have a broken internet now that can't even break 5mbps most of the time but the price has increased to a whopping $300 LOL

And here the worst part I contacted them on facebook since I don't actually have a flow land line phone, they said their team would contact me. A woman contacted me and said "Good day I regret to inform you I do not have the power to revert your package to 150mbps"

SO I was like WTF, so she said she would pass on this info in other words nobody is going to give a sh!t and this will remain as it is. LMFAO

And here we thought only TSTT was this incompetent and dotish

anyone noticing d 100s of complaints on their facebook page with almost every post they make? that's very telling.

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Yup I observed that a while now. Too bad Digicel offers like 0 competition and if you on Digicel you could be shooting yourself in the foot because 3 of my friends have Flow for gaming so Digicel to Flow is a complete NO NO even Digicel to AMplia us utter failure.

Digicel is the only ISP with this problem the packet of data goes to Miami and back to Trinidad making p2p gaming unplayable between friends who play fighting games etc

All the other ISPs getting 10ms between eachother locally, Digicel is the only one getting all kinda 120ms and sh!t because there is no local routing.