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maj. tom wrote:ok, but you don't download the game every time you want to play it. A regular 50 Mbps connection for a one time download of a 42GB game is reasonable. That would take just 2 hours. Leave Steam to download and update overnight.
25Mbps is recommended for Netflix 4k streaming. The real latency to the game servers are close to 100ms from Flow and that has not changed in any "Gamer's Package."
I agree with what you are saying with one caveat: if you are testing the connection speed, you need Gigabit ethernet or faster. For most users, 60% to 90% of advertised is the expected connection speed. Ethernet has a 20% to 30% protocol overhead which will likely be enough to where a user will not notice an upgrade to Gigabit ethernet in daily use.bossmann wrote:With fast ethernet you will not actually get your 100mb as there is other overhead on the connection. If you have a 100mb connection you will need gigabit to utilize your full connection.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:maj. tom wrote:ok, but you don't download the game every time you want to play it. A regular 50 Mbps connection for a one time download of a 42GB game is reasonable. That would take just 2 hours. Leave Steam to download and update overnight.
25Mbps is recommended for Netflix 4k streaming. The real latency to the game servers are close to 100ms from Flow and that has not changed in any "Gamer's Package."
Correct, gamers package uses the same rubbish routing and non existent ISP peering agreement. The reason Flow even has a "gamers package" is a code word for "don't switch to superior Digicel with superior ping we will secretly give you more bandwidth for less money just to stay on our sh!tty network, please don't leave us for Digicel even tho all your gaming friends have Digicel and we have no peering agreement with Digicel cause we couldn't give a fck to get off our fat lazy @ssholes and do it so please use our dog sh!t network and enjoy your 200ms ping from Chaguanas to Freeport when playing with your friends on Digicel even tho you could just take Digicel and literally get 1ms pings with your friends but please stay with Flow"
Also something to note most people usually just play 1 game right through and only ever needs to just download updates that is a few gigabyte. Like most people just play fortnite alone, cause its fun and half of them play it just for skins.
I does only play Escape from Tarkov, Path of Exile, Street Fighter and Dragon Ball Fighter Z. None of which ever requires any big update for months. The vast majority of PC gamers just play CS GO, DOTA 2 and League of Legends or Fortnite and PUBG.
None of which requires any big updates at all. Very few people does be downloading big games constantly unless they are like 12 years old and don't have a clue what to play and keeps downloading new stuff just for curiosity. Any sensible person knows 90% of games out there is garbage and not worth downloading
kamakazi wrote:I am talking about consoles and PC.
Now I do not know what PlayStation online has become but in the past they would have specials available every month (highlighting new games or popular old games in addition to full game demos (where you download the entire game but are only allowed to play for a limited amount of time).
Gamepass for Windows live currently has loads of games on offer and while everything isn't for me, when you get a time limited access to try the games available, the download speed helps.
You might encounter other limitations... But if it only took you 30 minutes to be up and running versus two hours it hurts less.
Ever had to test why something in a game you want to play isn't working and had to re download it multiple times.
To be fair this is probably a console only problem, on PC when using Steam all you have to do is verify game file integrity and if it finds a file missing it will download it, not download the entire game again.
In all my years of using Steam more than a decade now I have never ever had to redownload a game that wasn't working properly just verify integrity, And a PC upgrade on Windows 10 does NOT involve reinstalling Windows you just swap parts and everything works just fine on the same SSD there is no need to reinstall anything in this day and age, what you are talking about is like a decade ago
Hard drive crash or PC upgrade; how long to re download entire library.
To be fair nobody uses hard drives anymore because SSD prices are incredibly cheap so cheap that HDD has become meaningless in the consumer world
Time is precious and for someone to say they don't understand the need for bandwidth...
Why get an SSD; might only save 30 seconds off a one minute load time. Once the stage is loaded it plays the same like if you had a hard drive. Just have to wait 30 seconds longer.
daxt0r wrote:In a nutshell it has to do with the IPV6 peers they use.
The AS for all Digicel IPv6 prefixes are not peered through TTIX, Digicel primarily uses IPV6 for consumers, if you are are business customer though you may IPV4 in which case all related AS's are peered at TTIX. Thus this forces most IPV6 customers to route through the US to a peer that allows transit back to our IPV4 prefixes.
The main drawback on this is that major video sites like Youtube and FB will initially load faster on FLOW or TSTT as they would gain the benefit of the presence of the local Akamai CDN and caching with much better latency than a Miami location.
Traceroute from Digicel IPV4 with only 5 hops
traceroute to ns1.flowtrinidad.com (200.1.104.35), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.249 74.133 ms 80.892 ms 73.822 ms
3 200.1.107.103 55.687 ms 59.080 ms 52.506 ms
4 200.1.111.35 58.390 ms 58.437 ms 58.347 ms
5 200.1.104.35 <ns1.flowtrinidad.com> 62.346 ms 60.650 ms 59.440 ms
Traceroute from Digicel IPV6 showing routing via USA to same address goes through 16 hops
Tracing route to ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.17.1
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 179.60.213.153
3 5 ms 47 ms 48 ms 179.60.213.198
4 47 ms 47 ms 56 ms 179.60.213.213
5 47 ms 50 ms 49 ms 181.118.33.10
6 50 ms 52 ms 52 ms 172.31.13.47
7 52 ms 49 ms 49 ms 66.54.126.96
8 50 ms 53 ms 53 ms ae4.cr8-mia1.ip4.gtt.net [173.205.38.169]
9 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms mai-b3-link.telia.net [62.115.34.138]
10 52 ms 53 ms 138 ms asurnet-ic-339478-mai-b3.c.telia.net [62.115.12.17]
11 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms ae0.brx-mx2020-1.boca-raton.fl.usa.cwc.com [69.79.100.0]
12 51 ms 53 ms 51 ms 69.79.100.31
13 56 ms 98 ms 99 ms 63.245.90.219
14 98 ms 120 ms 120 ms 200.1.111.23
15 120 ms 105 ms 105 ms 200.1.111.33
16 106 ms 101 ms 100 ms ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
daxt0r wrote:In a nutshell it has to do with the IPV6 peers they use.
The AS for all Digicel IPv6 prefixes are not peered through TTIX, Digicel primarily uses IPV6 for consumers, if you are are business customer though you may IPV4 in which case all related AS's are peered at TTIX. Thus this forces most IPV6 customers to route through the US to a peer that allows transit back to our IPV4 prefixes.
The main drawback on this is that major video sites like Youtube and FB will initially load faster on FLOW or TSTT as they would gain the benefit of the presence of the local Akamai CDN and caching with much better latency than a Miami location.
Traceroute from Digicel IPV4 with only 5 hops
traceroute to ns1.flowtrinidad.com (200.1.104.35), 32 hops max, 3 probe packets per hop, 72 byte packets
1 * * *
2 200.1.111.249 74.133 ms 80.892 ms 73.822 ms
3 200.1.107.103 55.687 ms 59.080 ms 52.506 ms
4 200.1.111.35 58.390 ms 58.437 ms 58.347 ms
5 200.1.104.35 <ns1.flowtrinidad.com> 62.346 ms 60.650 ms 59.440 ms
Traceroute from Digicel IPV6 showing routing via USA to same address goes through 16 hops
Tracing route to ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.17.1
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 179.60.213.153
3 5 ms 47 ms 48 ms 179.60.213.198
4 47 ms 47 ms 56 ms 179.60.213.213
5 47 ms 50 ms 49 ms 181.118.33.10
6 50 ms 52 ms 52 ms 172.31.13.47
7 52 ms 49 ms 49 ms 66.54.126.96
8 50 ms 53 ms 53 ms ae4.cr8-mia1.ip4.gtt.net [173.205.38.169]
9 53 ms 53 ms 53 ms mai-b3-link.telia.net [62.115.34.138]
10 52 ms 53 ms 138 ms asurnet-ic-339478-mai-b3.c.telia.net [62.115.12.17]
11 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms ae0.brx-mx2020-1.boca-raton.fl.usa.cwc.com [69.79.100.0]
12 51 ms 53 ms 51 ms 69.79.100.31
13 56 ms 98 ms 99 ms 63.245.90.219
14 98 ms 120 ms 120 ms 200.1.111.23
15 120 ms 105 ms 105 ms 200.1.111.33
16 106 ms 101 ms 100 ms ns1.flowtrinidad.com [200.1.104.35]
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Anyone has an explanation for this?
LOL ent Barbados is right next door? and is Flow to Flow eh just imagine that See why we need Starlink?
200 miles on the same network shouldn't be giving a latency higher than 3000 miles on a different network
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Anybody else seeing 250mbps gamers on their current subscription when they log into their flow account?
Also I paid my bill for $250 with credit card it said paid successful I downloaded the invoice just incase. But when I go back into my account it still says unpaid but this changed
Your Current Bill Amount
$0.00
Soooo Flow now offering us 250mbps for $250 a month? if so that is a huge advantage over digicel 50mb for $300 a month
felix wrote:they are charging me $250 but my speed is still 150 mbps
dartzreunion wrote:same situation for me with the 250Mbps upgrade...flow said the slow speed is an issue everybody on the 250 upgrade experiencing.
screwbash wrote:anyone internet giving trouble ? not getting the full speed and the dam ting only buffering video. streaming is only sticking. i trying on a 150mb flow link and a 75mb digicel link. is TATT starting to fuq with we IP tv and shiet now ?
screwbash wrote:anyone internet giving trouble ? not getting the full speed and the dam ting only buffering video. streaming is only sticking. i trying on a 150mb flow link and a 75mb digicel link. is TATT starting to fuq with we IP tv and shiet now ?
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:dartzreunion wrote:same situation for me with the 250Mbps upgrade...flow said the slow speed is an issue everybody on the 250 upgrade experiencing.
This is ridiculous my friend from tacarigua said he is having the same problem they switched him without his consent from 150mbps to 250mbps and now his internet works like complete sh!t, not only do we have a broken internet now that can't even break 5mbps most of the time but the price has increased to a whopping $300 LOL
And here the worst part I contacted them on facebook since I don't actually have a flow land line phone, they said their team would contact me. A woman contacted me and said "Good day I regret to inform you I do not have the power to revert your package to 150mbps"
SO I was like WTF, so she said she would pass on this info in other words nobody is going to give a sh!t and this will remain as it is. LMFAO
And here we thought only TSTT was this incompetent and dotish
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