leelad wrote:civic minded wrote:it is on the invoice when you paid for the van - thats why it can be used against TTTL - This isnt a matter of if he will be using it offroad, But TTTL selling a product that isnt what it stated. Kudos for taking on TTTL and hope other buyers to have the same invoice like you take it to TTTL for false advertising.
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THIS
It's not a matter of weather or not dad's going to use it, or how it will affect drive-ability, only a crackhead will lock their diffs on a solid road. He payed for diff-lockers, he didn't get it, and now he wants a van with diff-lockers or his money back..........
Imagine if you buy a 4x4 pickup and receive a 4x2 pickup; and then the company tells you hey you don't need a 4x4, you're never going to use it. Then after telling them about the problem they give you an apology, one free service and tell you how great and invincible your van is. Would you be like okay I'm probably never going to use 4x4 anyway, it's a great van, and then forget about them shafting you. I don't think so.
Ok so we're getting a little bit technical here... let's clear the air so we're all on the same page.
First of all - folks here are pointing the OP towards going to a 3rd party to get a differential locker installed. That's beside the point that
*TTTL gave false advertising at time of sale* or at least wrongful information.. seemingly from the sales reps not knowing their vehicles that well after all.
What I was getting on about was the technical issue and point of getting a diff-locker. It's really for serious 4wding alone - and hello, I'm the president of Side B (I'm sure many of those who are reading this right now can vouch for my credentials), and I also have quite a bit of hands-on experience with installing suspension upgrades and differential lockers (Mr Civic_minded knows this quite well)... so I think I can speak with some knowledge on the matter.
Now before we all go hee-hawing all about the place... keep this in mind. I was just simply advising the OP about the risks and benefits of installing a diff-locker (if you want to be specific - an ARB Air Locker). At the end of the day, it's the guy's own money and he could do what he wants with it, if he wants to install an air-locker/diff locker then by all the power in the galaxy he should go ahead and do so... and he gets TTTL to pay for him, then good for him too (cuz those things are not cheap!)
Now on to the point about TTTL giving wrongful information at time of sale - they did in fact do so!
When I went to look at and almost bought the hilux, the sales rep (I went to school with the guy so I won't say his name, but he's a good fella if not slightly misinformed like the rest of them) INSISTED that the Hilux had a locking diff in the rear. I had to point out to him that it was in fact an LSD and not a locking diff.... he acknowledged that fact and said he will look further into it (btw, that's not why I didn't buy a hilux eh.... I just found the Navara more awesome *mrgreen*)
And as a final point..... in my experiences in working with 4wd vehicles (and again, Mr Civic Minded can vouch that ah know what ah telling allyuh.) - a LOT of ppl out there are confused about what it really means when the words "diff lock" comes out of a person's mouth. Most of the time ppl think the rear diff's lock up when you move the little lever next to your left thigh to "4H/4L" (or in the case of the automatic Rangers and my Navara - turn the little knob from 2H to 4H/L).
This is simply not true... the rear diffs and even the front diffs will remain as they always were - either in LSD or open diff format - nothing magical happens, no moving parts are engaged in those diffs, no voodoo sorcery occurs.
What DOES happen however, is the
CENTER DIFFERENTIAL (yes, there's a 3rd differential!!!) located deep inside the transmission/gearbox just under your butt in the driver's seat, LOCKS UP FROM 2WD MODE TO 4WD MODE. It becomes fully locked, and is now transferring power from the engine to BOTH the FRONT AND REAR differentials, via the front and rear driveshafts.
So folks, that's simply it, a long-winded explanation to a simple, yet widely misunderstood concept.
- the center diff is locked into 4wd mode (and that little green light on your dashboard with the 4-tires lights up)
- the front and rear diffs don't magically lock up, they remain as either open diffs or LSD (usually the front is an open diff in most vehicles).
... and with that long-winded explanation, I hope everyone now understands the concepts of diff locks, why some folk are confused or misinformed about what locks up and where (someone pls prnt-scrn this and print it out to show the TTTL sales reps!).