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newsday wrote:Rambharat: Pepper spray deadlier than a gun
Sean Douglas 4 Hrs Ago
WHILE saying the National Security Council (NSC) will consider a report done on the use of pepper spray, Agriculture Minister Clarence Rambharat warned that this protective measure can be deadlier than a firearm.
He spoke on Tuesday in the Senate in reply to a motion on the adjournment by Independent Senator Paul Richards calling for the legalisation of non-lethal weapons to arm women, following the recent murders of Andrea Bharatt and Ashanti Riley.
Saying TT has seen decades of heinous actions against women and girls, Richards said the country is past tipping point and is now at “tripping point” where citizens want to seek their own justice.
He begged the government that women be given pepper spray to have a fighting chance against assailants, and to give women hope.
“If it saves one life, it is worth it,” Richards said.
On concerns about criminals using pepper spray on victims, he said criminals already have guns and knives. Richards said 743 women were murdered in TT from 2000 to 2019, while thousands have suffered rape.
“There are predators and rapists roaming the streets, and women have a right to defend themselves but they just don’t have the tools to do so at this time,” Richards said.
Replying on behalf of National Security Minister Stuart Young, Rambharat said that past governments gave commitments for non-lethal weapons for the police, namely Tasers and pepper spray, both of which they only recently received.
He recalled growing up in the countryside where everyone kept some sort of weapon.
“You were always warned to be on the receiving end of the weapon you carried. Pepper spray could be more lethal than a firearm in the wrong hands,” Rambharat said.
While saying TT already has significant control over the availability of firearms, Rambharat said many issues arise if making pepper spray available.
He said the Office of Law Enforcement Policy (OLEP) in the Ministry of National Security had done a study and compiled a report.
The NSC, he said, is due to deliberate the report and then make recommendations to Cabinet.
Rambharat said some individuals reported the ill-effects of the Moruga Scorpion Pepper as being “like a heart attack.”
Saying the strength of pepper spray is typically three times higher than that, he claimed, “It is more lethal than a firearm.”
aaron17 wrote:Ok so let's legalise guns then..since its less lethal.. steups
But anything can be a lethal weapon..once you know what to do with it...
Dizzy28 wrote:If pepper spray deadlier than a gun then I going and put in an order for a CZ
aaron17 wrote:"While saying TT already has significant control over the availability of firearms"
Somebody explain this because I thought guns are coming illegally as normal.
pugboy wrote:deadlier means you can die?
how does pepper spray kill?
Rovin wrote:anything can be a weapon like common items : $20 screwdriver , $5.00 knife , $50 3canal , $10 icepick , $50 chinese chopper , piece of 2x2 wood etc
authorities have a point in that bandits can also use same pepper spray to temp blind\stun ppl to rob them but now we at a point that women have nothing to help ward off a predator
a quick google says pepper spray is allowed in all 50 states in d usa ....
bluefete wrote:First doubles now pepper spray. Clarence is the best of the PNM. Sorry to say but he is one a.s
It shows that we have a big set of dummies in Parliament and in the Senate ON BOTH SIDES!
In the UK, there is a Red Spray law that allows women to carry a spray (dye) that stays on the perpetrator for about 7 days. This is a legal alternative to pepper spray.
NOTE: Pepper spray is ILLEGAL in the UK.
https://www.vestguard.co.uk/eveaid-pers ... spray.html
https://www.ukpreppersguide.co.uk/uk-le ... for-women/
88sins wrote:I glad allyuh seeing exactly how the firearms act was the act of an ass, that was written by asses, with the sole intention to severely restrict the means via which you may defend yourselves, your family and your property.
If you don't believe that's true, go ask the Firearms Appeal Board that supposed to review delayed and denied F.U.L. applications the CoP deems unimportant or undeserving of an FUL. oh, wait, I just remembered, you can't, because even tho it still exists there's nobody there to hear your complaints. methinks this wasn't an accident or an error.
Is years now I saying, having the CoP as the sole individual with oversight wrt who should or shouldn't be allowed to keep and carry a firearm by way of the firearms act is one of if not the most jackass piece of legislation this country has ever implemented, and they want it like that, and have zero intent to alter it in any way other than to increase the penalties for possession of what's deemed by law to be an illegal firearm.
What's needed is not a firearms appeal board. What's needed is a firearms licencing and management agency, to serve the purpose of receiving applications, issuance/revokation of licenses, log firearms serial numbers and ballistics data, to store and eventually destroy seized illegal firearms, among other things, and more importantly a change in the law that would allow any homeowner or business operator to have and keep a shotgun on their premises and ONLY on their premises, that is providing specific detailed established and widely known qualifying criteria are met by the applicant.
but nah, it better to have one man decide what you can have based on qualifying criteria he alone decides and can change on a whim, qualifying requirements that nobody knows about, so whether you successfully jump through all his hoops or not he can still tell you to fvck off after you've been waiting for 2 decades, without even the basic courtesy of giving you an explanation of why your application was denied (an explanation that he is actually dutybound by law to give you when he denies your application btw)
the people like it like that, so let it be so. No firearms, no pepper spray, not even a pointy matchstick for nobody. take rape, robbery & murder, because as far as they concerned they already decided the life and existence of each and every citizen in this country that isn't in their little circles is without worth, thus doesn't need protecting.
bluefete wrote:First doubles now pepper spray. Clarence is the best of the PNM. Sorry to say but he is one a.s
It shows that we have a big set of dummies in Parliament and in the Senate ON BOTH SIDES!
In the UK, there is a Red Spray law that allows women to carry a spray (dye) that stays on the perpetrator for about 7 days. This is a legal alternative to pepper spray.
NOTE: Pepper spray is ILLEGAL in the UK.
https://www.vestguard.co.uk/eveaid-pers ... spray.html
https://www.ukpreppersguide.co.uk/uk-le ... for-women/
Mace and pepper spray are two DIFFERENT self defense products: Traditional chemical mace (CN) is classified as an irritant and is similar to tear gas. Pepper spray is classified as an inflammatory agent and will immediately incapacitate an assailant.
DMan7 wrote:What if the assailants all start wearing sunglasses? How effective can the pepper spray truly be?
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:I glad allyuh seeing exactly how the firearms act was the act of an ass, that was written by asses, with the sole intention to severely restrict the means via which you may defend yourselves, your family and your property.
If you don't believe that's true, go ask the Firearms Appeal Board that supposed to review delayed and denied F.U.L. applications the CoP deems unimportant or undeserving of an FUL. oh, wait, I just remembered, you can't, because even tho it still exists there's nobody there to hear your complaints. methinks this wasn't an accident or an error.
Is years now I saying, having the CoP as the sole individual with oversight wrt who should or shouldn't be allowed to keep and carry a firearm by way of the firearms act is one of if not the most jackass piece of legislation this country has ever implemented, and they want it like that, and have zero intent to alter it in any way other than to increase the penalties for possession of what's deemed by law to be an illegal firearm.
What's needed is not a firearms appeal board. What's needed is a firearms licencing and management agency, to serve the purpose of receiving applications, issuance/revokation of licenses, log firearms serial numbers and ballistics data, to store and eventually destroy seized illegal firearms, among other things, and more importantly a change in the law that would allow any homeowner or business operator to have and keep a shotgun on their premises and ONLY on their premises, that is providing specific detailed established and widely known qualifying criteria are met by the applicant.
but nah, it better to have one man decide what you can have based on qualifying criteria he alone decides and can change on a whim, qualifying requirements that nobody knows about, so whether you successfully jump through all his hoops or not he can still tell you to fvck off after you've been waiting for 2 decades, without even the basic courtesy of giving you an explanation of why your application was denied (an explanation that he is actually dutybound by law to give you when he denies your application btw)
the people like it like that, so let it be so. No firearms, no pepper spray, not even a pointy matchstick for nobody. take rape, robbery & murder, because as far as they concerned they already decided the life and existence of each and every citizen in this country that isn't in their little circles is without worth, thus doesn't need protecting.
88,
So all this encouragement from the CoP for citizens to apply for their FUL’s is BS?
I thought he said 400 FUL’s issued last year?
I thought people saying in 2 years or so you sure to get through?
I thought people say things moving faster?
I know men who apply and feeling like shilling because they got a “File #” the police “came home” to check their property/safe etc....some even got their 2 months Provisional and it stops there or before.
The TTPS simply does not want citizens to have their FULs and its rel bad mind ting when it comes to handling applications etc.
At the same time, Trinis are really too irresponsible, but we have some citizens who really need the protection but are simply average Joes.
Rovin wrote:anything can be a weapon like common items : $20 screwdriver , $5.00 knife , $50 3canal , $10 icepick , $50 chinese chopper , piece of 2x2 wood etc
authorities have a point in that bandits can also use same pepper spray to temp blind\stun ppl to rob them but now we at a point that women have nothing to help ward off a predator
a quick google says pepper spray is allowed in all 50 states in d usa ....
alfa wrote:The process has been speeded up for business owners but unfortunately for average Joes as you say it doesn't make much of a difference. Once you apply the police actually perform their part by doing the requisite background checks but when your file goes back to admin it's where it stops
MaxPower wrote:I know men who apply and feeling like shilling because they got a “File #” the police “came home” to check their property/safe etc....some even got their 2 months Provisional and it stops there or before.
The TTPS simply does not want citizens to have their FULs and its rel bad mind ting when it comes to handling applications etc.
At the same time, Trinis are really too irresponsible, but we have some citizens who really need the protection but are simply average Joes.
88sins wrote:alfa wrote:The process has been speeded up for business owners but unfortunately for average Joes as you say it doesn't make much of a difference. Once you apply the police actually perform their part by doing the requisite background checks but when your file goes back to admin it's where it stops
not even for business owners.
but then again, it depends on how you define "speeded up"
going forward the word is sped btw
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:alfa wrote:The process has been speeded up for business owners but unfortunately for average Joes as you say it doesn't make much of a difference. Once you apply the police actually perform their part by doing the requisite background checks but when your file goes back to admin it's where it stops
not even for business owners.
but then again, it depends on how you define "speeded up"
going forward the word is sped btw
Ok got it, so same ole nothing has changed.
pugboy wrote:the processing fee price changed
it is currently $30k, a small increaseMaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:alfa wrote:The process has been speeded up for business owners but unfortunately for average Joes as you say it doesn't make much of a difference. Once you apply the police actually perform their part by doing the requisite background checks but when your file goes back to admin it's where it stops
not even for business owners.
but then again, it depends on how you define "speeded up"
going forward the word is sped btw
Ok got it, so same ole nothing has changed.
matr1x wrote:Clarence dumb as fk
Don't worry Habit7 & Redman will defend the jack arseDe Dragon wrote:matr1x wrote:Clarence dumb as fk
That's why he fits right in with the rest of the LFDRFD PNM Cabinet. They're all dotish to a man
Actually it reaching up to 60k.....pugboy wrote:the processing fee price changed
it is currently $30k, a small increaseMaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:alfa wrote:The process has been speeded up for business owners but unfortunately for average Joes as you say it doesn't make much of a difference. Once you apply the police actually perform their part by doing the requisite background checks but when your file goes back to admin it's where it stops
not even for business owners.
but then again, it depends on how you define "speeded up"
going forward the word is sped btw
Ok got it, so same ole nothing has changed.
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