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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby MaxPower » February 3rd, 2021, 12:21 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
alfa wrote:Lots of people suspecting human trafficking at play but to me it seems like a whole lot of planning, money and extreme risk involved in kidnapping someone, keeping them hidden and alive until that one victim can be shipped out to where ever. Sounding like our not making financial sense to go through all that to traffic one person. Thinking might be some other motive. What you all think?


My sis (who regularly takes taxis) did her dissertation on human trafficking in the Caribbean.

I am 99% sure this is NOT a case of trafficking. Traffickers try to keep their activities below everyone's radar. It is human trafficking 101 that they take women who no one will miss.

In fact, it's an extremely sad situation regarding many Venezuelan women here. Many are tricked into coming to TnT by organized criminals in Vene and Trini. They trick them under the guise of working as maids/baby sitters/bar tenders etc. When they reach, their passports are taken and they're forced to work as prostitues.

No one looking for them because (1) Their families think they working in TT (2) Their families might even get a small share fro the traffickers to shut them up and keep them dependent (3) No one in TT knows or cares so public and media awareness are zero.

This was most likely a gang rape and murder, perhaps by people, she was familiar with (or were familiar with her) at the Arima Magistrate.

There needs to be public outcry at extreme levels because WE CAN NOT accept this in our society.

But you know, those p*ssy trendy SJW groups only care about Ramsaran, BLM and Starlite. When an issue that requires outrage from society is met with silence then why be surprised if it happens again?

Stand up for your sisters, wives, friends, mothers and aunts for once!

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Plenty sense here.

Plenty.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby aaron17 » February 3rd, 2021, 12:52 pm

"(or were familiar with her) at the Arima Magistrate."

sense like that....her job

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby alfa » February 3rd, 2021, 1:27 pm

Redress10 wrote:Why do ppl still persist with the notion that every trini woman missing is being trafficked? Where is the demand for trini women coming from? There needs to be demand.
Where would trini women go to "work"?

Majority of women in TT are either brown or dark skinned type women. These women are usually viewed as being at the bottom of the table when it comes to attractiveness so it is very unlikely that a human trafficking ring would be interested in such women.

Remember the yazidi women that Isis mainly trafficked and abused? They had pale skin, blue eyes or green eyes. These are the types of women that those people tend to be interested in. Plus, latin america has enough opportunity for them to traffick women so it's hardly unlikely they would use TT.

This could simply be nothing more than an opportunistic predator who took the chance to do what he wanted.

Sad state of affairs

Was thinking the exact same thing but in PC times was afraid to say it

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby nemisis » February 3rd, 2021, 1:29 pm

alfa wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Why do ppl still persist with the notion that every trini woman missing is being trafficked? Where is the demand for trini women coming from? There needs to be demand.
Where would trini women go to "work"?

Majority of women in TT are either brown or dark skinned type women. These women are usually viewed as being at the bottom of the table when it comes to attractiveness so it is very unlikely that a human trafficking ring would be interested in such women.

Remember the yazidi women that Isis mainly trafficked and abused? They had pale skin, blue eyes or green eyes. These are the types of women that those people tend to be interested in. Plus, latin america has enough opportunity for them to traffick women so it's hardly unlikely they would use TT.

This could simply be nothing more than an opportunistic predator who took the chance to do what he wanted.

Sad state of affairs

Was thinking the exact same thing but in PC times was afraid to say it

you all only thinking with ya penis, human organ trafficking is a thing as well.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby elec2020 » February 3rd, 2021, 1:45 pm

i read somewhere that on the black market a kidney could be worth upwards of 50k US.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby alfa » February 3rd, 2021, 1:54 pm

elec2020 wrote:i read somewhere that on the black market a kidney could be worth upwards of 50k US.

Could be but remember for this to happen it's not your regular gaza youths we're taking about here who will be involved. You need a specialized team of doctors and a real hospital. I doubt my GP even knows how to remove a kidney successfully. Even if you harvest a kidney how are you getting it into the recipient? Not like he can just carry it on ice to his community hospital and say his cousin gave him it or he found it on the bus. This isn't hostel the movie folks. Next thing we'll here is that after organs are harvested the bodies are dumped in brazilian corned beef machines

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby elec2020 » February 3rd, 2021, 2:00 pm

^ we not alluding that the gaza youth doing the harvesting. but that they the guys being used to pick up individuals for the medics to harvest. as, just how it is highly unlikely for the gaza youth to be doing the harvesting it is highly unlikely that the medics would be doing the rounding up.... while the story of harvesting body parts might seem farfetched keep in mind....1) the borders porous so it easy to move things out and into trinidad (for all we know thats where the harvesting takes place... outside of tn)... 2) gaza youth have no morals and willing to do whatever to make a dollar so the labour to get the bodies for the trafficking easy... 3) there is real demand for body parts and despite our obesity stats we have a generally healthy population due to free health care (also u rarely see an obese person missing in the news)... thats just my 2 cents on the whole trafficking thing

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby Dohplaydat » February 3rd, 2021, 2:15 pm

nemisis wrote:
alfa wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Why do ppl still persist with the notion that every trini woman missing is being trafficked? Where is the demand for trini women coming from? There needs to be demand.
Where would trini women go to "work"?

Majority of women in TT are either brown or dark skinned type women. These women are usually viewed as being at the bottom of the table when it comes to attractiveness so it is very unlikely that a human trafficking ring would be interested in such women.

Remember the yazidi women that Isis mainly trafficked and abused? They had pale skin, blue eyes or green eyes. These are the types of women that those people tend to be interested in. Plus, latin america has enough opportunity for them to traffick women so it's hardly unlikely they would use TT.

This could simply be nothing more than an opportunistic predator who took the chance to do what he wanted.

Sad state of affairs

Was thinking the exact same thing but in PC times was afraid to say it

you all only thinking with ya penis, human organ trafficking is a thing as well.


Yes but it's the same story, why target a girl who'd have so much media attention and TTPS resources versus a Venezuelan refugee or better yet why target anyone in Trini, versus the millions of poor south Americans?

Organ harvesting is a very real thing but it doesn't happen much in this part of the world. China, India and Brazil yes.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby MaxPower » February 3rd, 2021, 2:37 pm

Is there a possibility that she was kidnapped for the reward money?

Easier to pay a “good samaritan” than a kidnapper.

It’s raised from 50k to 75k so im hoping IF this is the case that she is being held safely until time to release her.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby alfa » February 3rd, 2021, 2:38 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
nemisis wrote:
alfa wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Why do ppl still persist with the notion that every trini woman missing is being trafficked? Where is the demand for trini women coming from? There needs to be demand.
Where would trini women go to "work"?

Majority of women in TT are either brown or dark skinned type women. These women are usually viewed as being at the bottom of the table when it comes to attractiveness so it is very unlikely that a human trafficking ring would be interested in such women.

Remember the yazidi women that Isis mainly trafficked and abused? They had pale skin, blue eyes or green eyes. These are the types of women that those people tend to be interested in. Plus, latin america has enough opportunity for them to traffick women so it's hardly unlikely they would use TT.

This could simply be nothing more than an opportunistic predator who took the chance to do what he wanted.

Sad state of affairs

Was thinking the exact same thing but in PC times was afraid to say it

you all only thinking with ya penis, human organ trafficking is a thing as well.


Yes but it's the same story, why target a girl who'd have so much media attention and TTPS resources versus a Venezuelan refugee or better yet why target anyone in Trini, versus the millions of poor south Americans?

Organ harvesting is a very real thing but it doesn't happen much in this part of the world. China, India and Brazil yes.

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Correct. If it was otherwise we would hardly see vagrants on the road. Eating out of dustbins but stronger than the average Joe, and not likey to be missed. Perfect candidates for organ trafficking, not young women though

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby elec2020 » February 3rd, 2021, 2:41 pm

^ newsday said that the guy who got beaten up said he did not psyhically assault her so i doubt it. Imo as more and more time passes it looks like she may not be on this earth anymore. With the amount of attention this getting those who holding her probably decide it best to play it safe.... men tell no tales.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby elec2020 » February 3rd, 2021, 2:44 pm

@ alfa i doubt the black market sells organs from vagrants as well as have street dwellers as prositutes in brothels. Which person paying 50k US for a vagrant's kidney? Or 100 to 1000 US (idk the price scheme) to bull a vagrant? I believe in those areas the individuals who partake are guaranteed a certain level of quality. Can't be paying 50k for a kidney full of kidney stones or a swollen liver i mean come nah... also

https://newsday.co.tt/2018/11/20/human- ... -for-sale/

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby sMASH » February 3rd, 2021, 3:05 pm

I would like to read that dissertation on the human trafficking yl see what data was collected.as stated previously, the men doing the kidnapping would not be the masterminds, they just take a wuk to collect product xyz to so and so location.

U would look for easy targets, that may not put up much resistance. Or was at the right place at the right time. Very much opportunist.

If fir body parts u dont want diseased or stressed bodies. The vagrant may have a resilient immune system, but the recipient may not. U want sumting clean


The yazidi women weren't taken cause they pretty, they were taken cause they were socially inferior.



Given the borders are vastly difficult to patrol, it's easy fir exprienced people, with their contacts in ttps, to load up a boat and send to the main land. A ttps don't need to know what gojng on, they just have to relay info of their own movements.
Infirming of roadblocks wouldn't stop crime, the serious crime done have their network before we know... Befire watsapp was a thing.

They not taking cause is prime meat, they taking cause is easy prey.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby matr1x » February 3rd, 2021, 3:42 pm

This is not an isolated issue. I am willing to bet. Gotta pay for that dragon deal, right?


Blood for oil?

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby MG Man » February 3rd, 2021, 3:49 pm


first jackass comment from that article:

Lenore Heath
Seem to me when some others came to TT this began, kick them out

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby redmanjp » February 3rd, 2021, 4:14 pm

beaten man dies

https://newsday.co.tt/2021/02/03/beaten-suspect-in-bharatt-kidnapping-dies/

Beaten suspect in Bharatt kidnapping dies
KEN CHEE HING 6 MINUTES AGO

THE suspect in the Andrea Bharatt abduction who was allegedly beaten by police on Tuesday has died.

Police said Andrew Morris, who was held at his Arima home, died between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. He was the father of one.

Police sources say Morris, who was arrested by officers of the Special Operation Response Team (SORT), was beaten in front of his family when he was held around 3 am, and again while in police custody.

Police sources said part of the beating allegedly took place at the Malabar Police Station.

Another man, police said, gave them information about Bharatt's bank card, which Morris is said to have used to withdraw cash.

Bharatt, 22, a clerk at the Arima Magistres' Court, went missing after getting into a car she believed to be a taxi last Friday afternoon at King Street, Arima. A co-worker who travelled with her was dropped off safely, but Bharatt never arrived home.

Police and members of the Defence Force have been searching the forested area in Sangre Grande, joined by hunters and hikers.

A total of $75,000 in rewards has been offered for information that will help find Bharatt.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby pugboy » February 3rd, 2021, 4:18 pm

many trinis have gone india and some pakistan for kidneys.
note a donor kidney lasts around 11-15 years

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby MaxPower » February 3rd, 2021, 4:21 pm

Ok so i guess there is gonna be a protest over his death?

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby pugboy » February 3rd, 2021, 4:23 pm

well if it is the same guy then the courts have been cleared of 70 pending cases

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby K74T » February 3rd, 2021, 4:31 pm

pugboy wrote:well if it is the same guy then the courts have been cleared of 70 pending cases
Nah was one of the other scum

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby pugboy » February 3rd, 2021, 4:33 pm

well message sent still

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pugboy wrote:well if it is the same guy then the courts have been cleared of 70 pending cases
Nah was one of the other scum

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby Catastrophist » February 3rd, 2021, 4:34 pm

never dug into this story until today
the suspect they captured did not speak even till death
i think there is more to this than we know and it could be ritualistic in nature
my gut tells me to look in south possibly around New Grant or Moruga

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby redmanjp » February 3rd, 2021, 4:40 pm

the downside is if he had info on her whereabouts he took it to his grave

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby K74T » February 3rd, 2021, 4:41 pm

February 3rd, 2021

MEDIA RELEASE

CoP: Stop Posting that Kidnap Victim is Dead

Commissioner of Police, Gary Griffith, finds it very irresponsible for persons on social media to be posting that kidnapped victim, Andrea Bharatt, has been found dead.

The CoP says he has been bombarded with calls and messages from the media and concerned citizens asking if the social media posts were correct. He also noticed that persons on social media have been sending condolences to the family of the victim, believing that the social media posts are accurate.

Commissioner Griffith is asking such persons to desist from posting such information as it further traumatizes the family of the missing woman. Ms Bharatt, 23, was seen entering a taxi in Arima last Friday, January 29th. She has not been seen since.

Corporate Communications Unit
February 3rd, 2021
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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby Redress10 » February 3rd, 2021, 5:16 pm

MaxPower wrote:


YES,

This is EXACTLY the approach needed and i am so happy to hear this.

I hope he was given minimal medical attention and NO pain killers....who knows it was probably a medical employee that dealt with him some more while on the hospital bed LOL i would’ve done the same. This is justice.

One down, 4 more to go....but still no Andrea sigh.

Ben_spanna, what are your thoughts?


Why would you wish that your kidnapping suspect dies before the victim is found? Suppose he was the only one with the info to recover her?

Suppose she hasn't had water for the last couple of days and becoming dehydrated? Suppose she is being held near a riverbank and the rains today rose the river banks threatening her life? In these sort of things each second count.

You all need to stop emotion from clouding your judgments.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby elec2020 » February 3rd, 2021, 5:18 pm

MG Man wrote:

first jackass comment from that article:

Lenore Heath
Seem to me when some others came to TT this began, kick them out


its only when it hit home when people does change their perspective

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby Dohplaydat » February 3rd, 2021, 5:20 pm

K74T wrote:February 3rd, 2021

MEDIA RELEASE

CoP: Stop Posting that Kidnap Victim is Dead

Commissioner of Police, Gary Griffith, finds it very irresponsible for persons on social media to be posting that kidnapped victim, Andrea Bharatt, has been found dead.

The CoP says he has been bombarded with calls and messages from the media and concerned citizens asking if the social media posts were correct. He also noticed that persons on social media have been sending condolences to the family of the victim, believing that the social media posts are accurate.

Commissioner Griffith is asking such persons to desist from posting such information as it further traumatizes the family of the missing woman. Ms Bharatt, 23, was seen entering a taxi in Arima last Friday, January 29th. She has not been seen since.

Corporate Communications Unit
February 3rd, 2021
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It is to be expected, but I agree, people need to stop spreading misinformation.

MaxPower wrote:Ok so i guess there is gonna be a protest over his death?


Pretty sure there are groups of people who might want to jump on this bandwagon. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Beating a suspect to death is very wrong though, and it may not have been intentional too. A well-placed punch, or a stumble and trip can easily kill sometimes.

Given the fact that our country's justice system is broken, it is for the greater good, it's just the wrong approach.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby elec2020 » February 3rd, 2021, 5:20 pm

redmanjp wrote:beaten man dies

https://newsday.co.tt/2021/02/03/beaten-suspect-in-bharatt-kidnapping-dies/

Beaten suspect in Bharatt kidnapping dies
KEN CHEE HING 6 MINUTES AGO

THE suspect in the Andrea Bharatt abduction who was allegedly beaten by police on Tuesday has died.

Police said Andrew Morris, who was held at his Arima home, died between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. He was the father of one.

Police sources say Morris, who was arrested by officers of the Special Operation Response Team (SORT), was beaten in front of his family when he was held around 3 am, and again while in police custody.

Police sources said part of the beating allegedly took place at the Malabar Police Station.

Another man, police said, gave them information about Bharatt's bank card, which Morris is said to have used to withdraw cash.

Bharatt, 22, a clerk at the Arima Magistres' Court, went missing after getting into a car she believed to be a taxi last Friday afternoon at King Street, Arima. A co-worker who travelled with her was dropped off safely, but Bharatt never arrived home.

Police and members of the Defence Force have been searching the forested area in Sangre Grande, joined by hunters and hikers.

A total of $75,000 in rewards has been offered for information that will help find Bharatt.


well there goes about 5 million or so of tax payers money to his bereaved family. actually may be more than this as the family can take this all the way to the international courts as the ttps violated the geneva conventions.

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Re: Arima woman kidnapped, ransom demanded

Postby matr1x » February 3rd, 2021, 5:21 pm

Notice that its around red party times these situations rise. Hmmmmm

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