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Postby Ben_spanna » March 18th, 2021, 11:45 am

Need to remove any union protection for state workers, so that then you are accountable for your own action and can be dismissed for Unsatisfactory performance , things like Public Service will improve and be much more efficient.

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Postby Redman » March 18th, 2021, 12:06 pm

Well people need to do their job.
Unions work well elsewhere-once they do their job and Management does theirs

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Postby zoom rader » March 18th, 2021, 12:47 pm

Redman wrote:Well people need to do their job.
Unions work well elsewhere-once they do their job and Management does theirs
Union's are a give and take. Worked in both Union and non Union environment both are positive and negative.

In private companies some HR folk blatantly break Labour laws victimise staff. They do this knowing that employees need a job and would think twice about seeking legal address. If they do seek legal action it takes years and cost.

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Postby pugboy » March 18th, 2021, 12:57 pm

a lot of wasa problems are the managers themselves taking kickbacks
it’s not so much the general unionized employee

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Postby zoom rader » March 18th, 2021, 1:03 pm

pugboy wrote:a lot of wasa problems are the managers themselves taking kickbacks
it’s not so much the general unionized employee
Wrong people employed in state companies

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Postby KM_2NR » March 18th, 2021, 1:32 pm

Saw today that someone died as a result of losing control their vehicle because they hit a pothole , not sure why WASA came to mind immediately.

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Postby pugboy » March 18th, 2021, 1:38 pm

a lot of them managers are political favour kickbacks after elections

zoom rader wrote:
pugboy wrote:a lot of wasa problems are the managers themselves taking kickbacks
it’s not so much the general unionized employee
Wrong people employed in state companies

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Postby Dave » March 18th, 2021, 1:53 pm

Alot? I thought was all managerial positions were the after election promises and financial support.

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Postby Ben_spanna » March 18th, 2021, 3:40 pm

KM_2NR wrote:Saw today that someone died as a result of losing control their vehicle because they hit a pothole , not sure why WASA came to mind immediately.


because many of the roads now that were in fact quite well surfaced , were dug up by wasa and then either left a crater for you to fall into or a heap for you to ramp off... its quite apparent the level of education of a wasa worker who fills back a hole is that of a the dumbest fr1gg1ng jacka55....

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Postby 88sins » March 19th, 2021, 6:27 am

KM_2NR wrote:Saw today that someone died as a result of losing control their vehicle because they hit a pothole , not sure why WASA came to mind immediately.

because it's common knowledge, wasa lines are responsible for I'd say 90% of the potholes in this country.
Either the lien leaking in the middle of the road & create a pothole, or the come and "fix" something and leave a pothole

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Postby bluefete » March 19th, 2021, 6:59 am

Person who died was speeding.



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Postby pugboy » March 19th, 2021, 7:31 am

looks like he slammed into the wall
hard to tell if he lost control prior by hitting said pothole

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Postby The_Honourable » April 12th, 2021, 12:15 pm

WASA moves on restructuring exercise… Minister: Cut in managerial staff coming

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Four months after Public Utilities Minister Marvin Gonzales described the Water and Sewerage Authority’s (WASA) management as convoluted, ineffective and unaccountable, there are plans in the pipeline to cut its managerial staff.

Of the 426 managers currently on WASA’s payroll, Gonzales has confirmed that an unknown number of its managerial staff will be sent home in the coming weeks.

WASA will seek funding from an international lending agency to pay the affected managers their severance which is expected to costs taxpayers millions of dollars.

The news comes weeks after a report of the Cabinet sub-committee appointed to review the operations of WASA found that the cash-strapped organisation had become unproductive, unwieldy, corrupt, unresponsive and overstaffed, while its efficiency was sacrificed for political patronage.

The move to downsize its managers is all part of the authority’s restructuring exercise.

“Of course, yes, I would not mince words to say that there wouldn’t be a shake-up. There must be a further shake-up…a managerial shake-up. You cannot move forward with a management team of 426 managers. It is unworkable. It is untenable. When we interviewed some of the senior executives in WASA they complained about that structure. As a matter of fact, they told us in no uncertain terms that the management structure is unworkable and has contributed to the deterioration of the organisation,” Gonzales told Guardian Media in a face-to-face interview at his ministry’s head office in Woodbrook.

Gonzales said WASA must be able to streamline its managerial staff to ensure accountability, efficiency and better service to its customers.

Organisational structure requires four levels of management

He admitted that WASA’s leadership has become exceedingly top-heavy and its chain of command injudiciously and long.

“No other water company in the world has so many layers of management. There must be cuts at the managerial level to ensure you have a proper management team in place and to hold those under their charge accountable,” he insisted.

The report stated that Cabinet in 1999 approved a “four-level managerial staff” structure for WASA, consisting 172 employees.

The four levels are a CEO, comprising six directors who are supported by seven general managers, 32 managers and 126 supervisors in 17 major divisions.

However, WASA’s current management structure has eight levels—comprising eight executive management directors, 19 executive management heads, 32 executive management (senior managers), 88 departmental managers, 25 assistant managers, 35 section managers, 23 unit managers and 126 supervisors—bringing the total cadre of managers to 426, which represents a “248 per cent in excess of the approved structure,” the report revealed.

The report further pointed out that the current structure is relatively horizontal with a very narrow span of control.

“This is further complicated by the six levels of management exclusive of the supervisory level. The inordinate large numbers of deputy assistants and unit managers that has crept into the system challenge both staff and management to coordinate activities and projects while simultaneously adhering to the lines of authority. WASA’s leadership hierarchy is now twice that of the standard organisation practice. The current structure does not provide for effective control, supervision and accountability,” the report stated.

It further revealed that the limited span of control permeates to all levels of the structure, making it impossible for WASA to effectively manage its staff, affairs and deliver on its mandate.

To change this, Gonzales said WASA’s executive director Dr Lennox Sealy will put together a management team that will be responsible for managing the transformation process and crackdown on the authority’s decline.

Costly separation packages

Questioned where WASA will obtain cash to pay the managers severance benefits, Gonzales said they will ask international lending agencies “for assistance to finance separation packages after the audit is completed and the appropriate staff level is settled. This will save the country billions of dollars and this saving will be put towards improving the levels of service across the country by the use of technology and other modern systems.”

Pressed if WASA had approached the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) for funding, Gonzales said, “we are speaking with the IDB now and they are willing and anxious to assist. They believe we are on the right track, finally.”

The separation packages, Gonzales said will come with a heavy price.

“It will be costly. That is the price we have to pay for bad management and corruption. WASA was like a ship lost in a vast ocean of corruption, mismanagement and nepotism. And those whose responsibility it was to address the problem shied away from it by telling the country it was metering and leaking pipelines are the real problems. Today, taxpayers have to spend hundreds of millions to save billions.”

Managers on month-to-month contracts receiving bonuses

Gonzales spoke about some of the managers whose three-year contracts ended in 2016.

These managers were placed on month-to-month contracts and have been the recipients of bonuses and given substantive positions within the organisation.

“So that is a nightmare that we have discovered in the organisation.”

Gonzales said he expects the three unions representing WASA employees to fight back.

He said the Cabinet sub-committee which he chaired concluded that there was an “unhealthy and incestuous relationship” between the unions and WASA’s management which posed a serious governance problem to the operation of the authority.”

For months, Gonzales said successive management teams have proven powerless to the union’s encroachment on the authority’s right to manage, direct and own its operational affairs while there has been no demonstrable evidence of urgent and decisive action being taken on multiple fraud investigations.

Apart from the close relationship management shares with the unions, Gonzales said the issue of additional commuted overtime was also cause for concern.

PSA president Watson Duke, by letter dated October 21, 2014, requested payment of additional commuted overtime hours to an industrial relations manager at WASA, who is a senior PSA member.

In the letter, Duke justified the request for overtime.

However, Gonzales said he was not surprised by Duke’s request which he described as scandalous.

“Therefore, decisions are being made, or were made rather, against the best interest of the authority that constituted, as far as I am concerned, a breach of fiduciary responsibilities that members of management ought to have with the authority as well as undermining the public’s interest,” Gonzales said.

When the previous WASA board tried to stop the manager’s commuted overtime, Gonzales said he sued WASA but lost the matter at the Industrial Court.

“So where do we draw the line between your responsibility as a manager? Where do we draw the line with respect to your responsibility as a union representative? Where do you draw the line with respect to your fiduciary duties?”

The report also uncovered the use of vehicles paid for by WASA that were assigned to employees and unions officials who collected travelling allowances—a case of double-dipping.

He said a lot of these arrangements took place between 2010 and 2015 under the then People’s Partnership administration.

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“Even those collective agreements that were signed. You would be surprised to know that those payments you are referring to are payments that our collective bargaining agreements did not cater for. So, they were made outside of the collective bargaining agreements. The vehicle allowances…the overtime payments.”

Gonzales held the view that some of WASA’s managers had “sold out to the unions. They sacrificed the efficiency of the organisation to the unions. There were deals between management and the unions.”

Those sweetheart deals were stopped by the previous board.

WASA also paid rent for PSA and the National Union of Government Federated Workers (NUGFW) vehicles to perform duties that had no connection with the authority.

Phone bills for some of its workers who were on full-time union duties were also paid for by WASA.

Gonzales said what took place at WASA was outrageous and ludicrous.

Gonzales: Everybody was just eating a food and having a good time.

“Because everybody was just eating food…everybody was just having a good time. It was just wildness taking place in the organisation against the interest of the people of this country and costing this country millions of dollars.”

Another issue the report raised was that the unions had been providing goods and services to WASA.

This led PSA’s president Watson Duke to admit that his wife’s firm Blackstone Engineering Technologies Ltd had been the recipient of several WASA contracts.

Between 2014 to 2016, WASA paid Blackstone Engineering $9.8 million while the company is owed $3 million.

Gonzales said bad work ethics, corruption and wrongdoing have been accepted as the norm in WASA.

On the heels of the sub committee’s report came another shocking document—a 2016 Internal Audit and Compliance Department Summary report which accused a senior WASA manager of seven allegations of misconduct.

It found that WASA paid $1.1 million in overtime to six PSA officials between 2013 to 2016, while union officials of the NUGFW also collected retroactive payments of foregone overtime of $726,000.

The manager was also accused of acting in breach of the authority’s mandate to reduce staff between 2014 and 2015 to the conditions of a loan with the IDB which established funding to the tune of $360 million for a Voluntary Employee Separation programme.

Instead, during this period, WASA hired 1,474 new employees, some of whom did not have national identification cards, were not interviewed, possessed no qualifications and lacked proper documentation.

This led to WASA’s overall salary cost to increase from $130 million to $157 million.

While WASA’s current workforce is 4,828, the report stated the State-owned company has been operating by more than 3,152 employees.

Individuals paid $15,000 bribes to secure WASA jobs

“It tells the level of corruption and lack of accountability at WASA. Persons were brought into the organisation by the hundreds not satisfying the qualifications requirements…not having proper job descriptions, contracts of employment, not having their national ID,” Gonzales disclosed.

For years, Gonzales said staff levels at WASA had been fabricated.

“So, persons were illegally brought into the organisation receiving a salary and not being qualified for those positions. But I have received anecdotal information that a number of those persons paid to be employed within the organisation up to $15,000… to be employed within the organisation…paid persons within WASA to be employed without having the requisite qualifications. There are a number of managers who are employed in management positions who are not in alignment with their qualifications so the whole thing is in disarray…upside down.”

The bribes offered were to secure low-level jobs.

“So, the board, Cabinet and ministry did not have a close as to how many persons were truly engaged in the organisation.”

Gonzales said WASA started to haemorrhage due to some of the illegal things happening within the organisation.

Every year, WASA pumps $2.5 billion into WASA which generates little or no returns.

Though the manager was fired in 2017 for his wrongdoings, Gonzales said he was left untouched.

“Why wasn’t civil action taken against him? Why wasn’t this matter referred to the T&T Police Service back then? The report has been in existence since 2016. Again, it points to governance and management problems with the organisation. So, you can connect the dots.”

Politicians blamed for WASA’s decline

Gonzales blamed some of his predecessors for WASA’s poor state of affairs.

“You have to be laser-focused on the issues and you have to be prepared to lay blame where blame is rightly due. I also lay blame and cast blame on a lot of politicians who played the game by getting people inside the organisation who they damn well knew was not qualified to take up some of these positions. The only reason why they are in the organisation is because of their political allegiance and they are not doing what they are being paid to do… and some of these employees are the worst employees in the organisation because they believe they got their job because of the support of politicians and therefore they should remain there.”

Guardian Media sent Duke a Whatsapp message regarding his commuted overtime request.

Duke, however, read the message but failed to respond.

Source: https://www.cnc3.co.tt/wasa-moves-on-re ... ff-coming/

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Postby zoom rader » April 12th, 2021, 12:33 pm

For years we knew that the red government employed political appointees and those that were not qualified for wasa jobs.
This is nutting new and it happens in all state control companies.

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Postby Rovin » April 12th, 2021, 1:03 pm

Gonzales: Everybody was just eating a food and having a good time.

“Because everybody was just eating food…everybody was just having a good time. It was just wildness taking place in the organisation against the interest of the people of this country and costing this country millions of dollars.”


jes like parliamentarians going on decades

like i said b4 d man rel brave to be saying such words openly even if it falling in he own govt garden

i hope good remedial action takes place & is not jes lip service

putting ourselves in billions of debt to prevent further loss of billions .... :roll:

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Postby Chimera » April 12th, 2021, 1:15 pm

cant they investigate under what circumstances each manager was given that position, question them, check their credentials, see if it was a friend thing or unnecessary post....

threaten the manager with criminal charges/fraud if they dont quietly resign and refuse any severance?
because i mean....they know there were benefiting wrongfully.....take yuh past salary and go yuh way
or take public embarrassment

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Postby Musical Doc » April 13th, 2021, 3:46 pm

There should be investigations into those who benefitting wrongfully from their positions and they should be made to resign. Why waste money to pay them off when they have benefitted so long?

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Postby pugboy » April 13th, 2021, 3:57 pm

not so easy
many of those ppl put themselves into those bobol positions with expert advice and have contracts to back it up

these are the real bandits

Musical Doc wrote:There should be investigations into those who benefitting wrongfully from their positions and they should be made to resign. Why waste money to pay them off when they have benefitted so long?

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Postby *$kїđž!™ » June 18th, 2021, 1:00 am

So wasa disconnecting ppl during a pandemic and mass unemployment

I not saying no but everybody under stress right now...cant they give ppl a lil chance when lockdown is over?

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Postby daring dragoon » June 18th, 2021, 6:43 am

why in UNC constituency ? y not arima, maloney, pos south, diego martin or places that get water 24/7 ? everyone makes their own bed in heaven yes.

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Postby bluefete » June 18th, 2021, 6:51 am

daring dragoon wrote:why in UNC constituency ? y not arima, maloney, pos south, diego martin or places that get water 24/7 ? everyone makes their own bed in heaven yes.


That is the same question I asked my wife last night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Postby Rovin » June 18th, 2021, 10:52 am

about half d population not working right now cause of covid so instead of distressing & bullying households for a few thousands why wasa dont go after big companies , industrial users & even d govt agencies itself who owes millions ....

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Postby hover11 » June 18th, 2021, 11:15 am

Then big businesses would raise their prices to accommodate for that loss in revenue from paying wasa....let's be real ppl have not been paying WASA for years bills come and they ignore it yet they want WASA to be better . How you want the organization to better serve you and so many clients in arrears , howwwwww?
Rovin wrote:about half d population not working right now cause of covid so instead of distressing & bullying households for a few thousands why wasa dont go after big companies , industrial users & even d govt agencies itself who owes millions ....

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Postby Rovin » June 18th, 2021, 11:41 am

it is wasa own fault for its accounting dept to not be doing their job collecting its regular fees to customers who have been receiving a regular supply

how can u be giving somebody a service for mths & yrs piling up into hundreds, thousands, millions & not collect ur $ - shud never be allowed to reach that stage , who d hell does that

try that with ur phone, cable, T&tec, bank etc & see if they dont cut u off once u missed 2 payments ...

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » June 18th, 2021, 11:46 am

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is there a clearer image of this?

I am seeing this one on their page
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Postby hover11 » June 18th, 2021, 11:47 am

A wasa bill comes every three months and is under 300$. What's the excuse?
U didn't get a bill since the pandemic start? So what the bill isn't still due?
All play whe( not over the last few weeks),sure pay places, and even online options are available.
WASA finally doing something good and we have a problem

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Postby Dave » June 18th, 2021, 11:51 am

What happened to all the pre-pandemic years right?

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Postby De Dragon » June 18th, 2021, 11:57 am

What WASA needs to do is go after those State enterprises owing in the hundreds of millions as well. If you owing years or at least pre-pandemic, take bull. If you miss a payment because you lost your job post pandemic, at least allow you to defer, or pay on terms. Poon King was on last night carrying the non-payment scenario all the way to forfeiture of your house.

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Postby Rovin » June 18th, 2021, 1:08 pm

when i paid wasa last time i overpaid to cover coming back for d next mth , so i actually have a few dollars in credit ... :D
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