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Pope Francis Is FIRST Pope To Support Same Sex Unions!

Postby bluefete » October 21st, 2020, 3:27 pm

Pope Francis has become the first pontiff to endorse same-sex civil unions
By NICOLE WINFIELD Associated Press
21 October 2020, 15:06

ROME -- Pope Francis became the first pontiff to endorse same-sex civil unions in comments for a documentary that premiered Wednesday, sparking cheers from gay Catholics and demands for clarification from conservatives, given the Vatican’s official teaching on the issue.

The papal thumbs-up came midway through the feature-length documentary “Francesco," which premiered at the Rome Film Festival. The film, which features fresh interviews with the pope, delves into issues Francis cares about most, including the environment, poverty, migration, racial and income inequality, and the people most affected by discrimination.

“Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God,” Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film. “You can't kick someone out of a family, nor make their life miserable for this. What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.”

While serving as archbishop of Buenos Aires, Francis endorsed civil unions for gay couples as an alternative to same-sex marriages. However, he had never come out publicly in favor of civil unions as pope, and no pontiff before him had, either.

The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit who has sought to build bridges with gays in the church, praised the comments as “a major step forward in the church’s support for LGBT people.”

"The pope’s speaking positively about civil unions also sends a strong message to places where the church has opposed such laws," Martin said in a statement.

However, conservative Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, Rhode Island, called for clarification. “The pope’s statement clearly contradicts what has been the long-standing teaching of the church about same-sex unions," he said in a statement. “The church cannot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relationships."

Catholic teaching holds that gays must be treated with dignity and respect but that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.” A 2003 document from the Vatican’s doctrine office stated the church’s respect for gays “cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behavior or to legal recognition of homosexual unions.”

Doing so, the Vatican reasoned, would not only condone “deviant behavior," but create an equivalence to marriage, which the church holds is an indissoluble union between man and woman.

That document was signed by the then-prefect of the office, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI and Francis’ predecessor.

Director Evgeny Afineevsky, who is gay, expressed surprise after the premiere that the pope's comments had created such a firestorm, saying Francis wasn't trying to change doctrine but was merely expressing his belief that gays should enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals.

“The world needs positivity right now, the world needs to care about climate change, care about refugees and migration, borders, walls, family separation," Afineevsky said, urging attention to the main issues covered by the film.

One main character in the documentary is Juan Carlos Cruz, the Chilean survivor of clergy sexual abuse whom Francis initially discredited during a 2018 visit to Chile.

Cruz, who is gay, said that during his first meetings with the pope in May 2018 after they patched things up, Francis assured him that God made Cruz gay. Cruz tells his own story throughout the film, chronicling both Francis’ evolution on understanding sexual abuse as well as to document the pope's views on gay people.

Afineevsky had remarkable access to cardinals, the Vatican television archives and the pope himself. He said he negotiated his way in through persistence, and deliveries of Argentine mate tea and Alfajores cookies that he got to the pope via well-connected Argentines in Rome.

“Listen, when you are in the Vatican, the only way to achieve something is to break the rule and then to say, ‘I’m sorry,’” Afineevsky said in an interview.

The director worked official and unofficial channels starting in 2018, and ended up so close to Francis by the end of the project that he showed him the movie on his iPad in August. The two recently exchanged Yom Kippur greetings; Afineevsky is a Russian-born, Israeli-raised Jew now based in Los Angeles. On Wednesday, Afineevsky's 48th birthday, the director said Francis presented him with a birthday cake at the Vatican.

But “Francesco” is more than a biopic about the pope. Wim Wenders did that in the 2018 film “Pope Francis: A Man of His Word.”

“Francesco,” is more a visual survey of the world’s crises and tragedies, with audio from the pope providing possible solutions.

Afineevsky, who was nominated for an Oscar for his 2015 documentary “Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom,” traveled the world to document the film: at Cox’s Bazaar in Bangladesh, where Myanmar’s Rohingya sought refuge; the U.S.-Mexico border; and Francis’ native Argentina.

“The film tells the story of the pope by reversing the cameras,” said Vatican communications director Paolo Ruffini, one of Afineevsky’s closest Vatican-based collaborators.

Ruffini said that when Afineevsky approached him about a documentary, he tried to tamp down his hopes for interviewing the pope. “I told him it wasn’t going to be easy,” he said.

But Ruffini suggested Afineevsky find the people who had been impacted by the pope, even after just a brief meeting: refugees, prisoners and gays to whom he has ministered.

“I told him that many of those encounters had certainly been filmed by the Vatican cameras, and that there he would find a veritable gold mine of stories that told a story," Ruffini said. “He would be able to tell story of the pope through the eyes of all and not just his own.”

Francis' outreach to gays dates to his first foreign trip in 2013, when he uttered the now-famous words “Who am I to judge," when asked during an airborne news conference returning from Rio de Janiero about a purportedly gay priest.

Since then, he has ministered to gays and transsexual prostitutes, and welcomed people in gay partnerships into his inner circle. One of them was his former student, Yayo Grassi, who along with his partner visited Francis at the Vatican Embassy in Washington D.C., during a 2015 visit to the U.S.

The Vatican publicized that encounter, making video and photos of it available, after Francis was ambushed during that same visit by his then-ambassador, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, who invited the anti-gay marriage activist Kim Davis to meet with the pope.

News of the Davis audience made headlines and was viewed by conservatives as a papal stamp of approval for Davis, who was jailed for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses. The Vatican vigorously sought to downplay it, with a spokesman saying the meeting by no means indicated Francis’ support for her or her position on gay marriage.

However, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was fervently opposed to gay marriage when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires. Then, he launched what gay activists remember as a “war of God" against Argentina's move to approve same-sex marriage.

The pope's authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, said at the time of his 2013 election that Bergoglio was politically wise enough to know the church couldn’t win a fight against gay marriage. Instead, Rubin said, Bergoglio urged his fellow bishops to lobby for gay civil unions.

It wasn’t until Bergoglio's proposal was shot down by the conservative bishops’ conference that he publicly declared his opposition, and the church lost the issue altogether.

In the documentary, Francis essentially confirms Rubin's account of what transpired. Of his belief in the need for legislation to protect gays living in civil relationships, he said: “I stood up for that."

Afineevsky declined to say when Francis made the comment, but he began production in 2018 and Italy locked down for the coronavirus in March, suggesting the interview would have occurred in 2018 or more likely 2019.

Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, an organization of LGBT Catholics, praised Francis’ comments as a “historic” shift for a church that has a record of persecuting gays.

“At the same time, we urge Pope Francis to apply the same kind of reasoning to recognize and bless these same unions of love and support within the Catholic Church, too," he said in a statement.

More conservative commentators sought to play down Francis’ words and said that while secular civil unions are one thing, a church blessing of them is quite another.

In a tweet, conservative U.S. author and commentator Ryan Anderson noted that he and some colleagues had gone on record a decade ago saying they would support federal civil unions for any two adults who commit to sharing domestic responsibilities. Such an arrangement, Anderson said, would leave churches the option of refusing to recognize these unions as marriage.


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Postby maj. tom » October 21st, 2020, 3:35 pm

lol this Anti-christ!!! Allowing gay people to love each other and get married! Those people who are so wicked and perverted, why else would they choose to be so gay and sinful? They should depose this fraud devil man who in the Vatican and get a real God-Fearing Pope who will ensure that children can be molested in peace by the clergy and protected by the Church. And cast out these sinful suckulating and tribbibing gay people!!!!!

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Real men on here can breathe a lil easier now.

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Postby Dohplaydat » October 21st, 2020, 4:05 pm

maj. tom wrote:lol this Anti-christ!!! Allowing gay people to love each other and get married! Those people who are so wicked and perverted, why else would they choose to be so gay and sinful? They should depose this fraud devil man who in the Vatican and get a real God-Fearing Pope who will ensure that children can be molested in peace by the clergy and protected by the Church. And cast out these sinful suckulating and tribbibing gay people!!!!!

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Lolz

It confuses me so much when so called straight men get their panties in a bunch over homosexauls. No body making you gay bro, relax.

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Postby bluefete » October 21st, 2020, 4:09 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
maj. tom wrote:lol this Anti-christ!!! Allowing gay people to love each other and get married! Those people who are so wicked and perverted, why else would they choose to be so gay and sinful? They should depose this fraud devil man who in the Vatican and get a real God-Fearing Pope who will ensure that children can be molested in peace by the clergy and protected by the Church. And cast out these sinful suckulating and tribbibing gay people!!!!!

/s


Lolz

It confuses me so much when so called straight men get their panties in a bunch over homosexauls. No body making you gay bro, relax.


majtom: I think he missed your point. LOL.

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Postby maj. tom » October 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm

Dear Daran,
I know that you know everything, i totally acknowledge your superiority in all matters of internetz and Trinituner discussion. /s
But if you could just... like click this link. Plz tanks.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2FS
Also Jesus used to frolic with 12 other men quite a lot, more than usual outside a military organization. Sounds pretty gay to me.

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Postby elec2020 » October 21st, 2020, 4:51 pm

Plauge check, collapse in welfare check, collapse in leadership check, riots check, collapse in religion on its way. We really in the dark days. I can't believe he said that. Wow. Just wow.

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Postby agent007 » October 21st, 2020, 4:55 pm

Catholicism accepting homosexuality is nothing new. PF might be the false prophet but I don't think he is the antichrist.

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Postby ftitan » October 21st, 2020, 4:55 pm

bluefete wrote:However, he had never come out publicly in favor of civil unions as pope, and no pontiff before him had, either.


He's the first pope to openly support it. His lover probably starting to brace him to go public. We all know the vatican is a set a bullerman for decades now. The age of consent previously being 12 just meant boys were able to be diddled and all was well after some Hail Mary's for fornication.

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Postby Dohplaydat » October 21st, 2020, 6:19 pm

bluefete wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
maj. tom wrote:lol this Anti-christ!!! Allowing gay people to love each other and get married! Those people who are so wicked and perverted, why else would they choose to be so gay and sinful? They should depose this fraud devil man who in the Vatican and get a real God-Fearing Pope who will ensure that children can be molested in peace by the clergy and protected by the Church. And cast out these sinful suckulating and tribbibing gay people!!!!!

/s


Lolz

It confuses me so much when so called straight men get their panties in a bunch over homosexauls. No body making you gay bro, relax.


majtom: I think he missed your point. LOL.


uh no, I was agreeing with his sarcasm

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Postby Les Bain » October 21st, 2020, 10:16 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
maj. tom wrote:lol this Anti-christ!!! Allowing gay people to love each other and get married! Those people who are so wicked and perverted, why else would they choose to be so gay and sinful? They should depose this fraud devil man who in the Vatican and get a real God-Fearing Pope who will ensure that children can be molested in peace by the clergy and protected by the Church. And cast out these sinful suckulating and tribbibing gay people!!!!!

/s


Lolz

It confuses me so much when so called straight men get their panties in a bunch over homosexauls. No body making you gay bro, relax.


/s = Some men in here real Sexy

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CJ should be so happy

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sooooo, was that an endorsement or job perk?

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Postby Gladiator » October 22nd, 2020, 2:31 pm

Wait till next 5 years when they support paedophilia
VexXx Dogg wrote:sooooo, was that an endorsement or job perk?

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Postby redmanjp » October 22nd, 2020, 2:44 pm

is it that he accepts the sexual relationship itself or just legal protections for ppl in that situation that comes with legal recognition such as inheritance rights after one person dies, right to make urgent medical decisions if your partner is in a coma, etc.

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Postby alfa » October 22nd, 2020, 2:46 pm

Gladiator wrote:Wait till next 5 years when they support paedophilia
VexXx Dogg wrote:sooooo, was that an endorsement or job perk?

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Wait till they support abortion as well, Seems like the radical left has infiltrated the Catholic church

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Postby aaron17 » October 22nd, 2020, 2:57 pm

The end is near.

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Postby maj. tom » October 22nd, 2020, 3:07 pm

Gladiator wrote:Wait till next 5 years when they support paedophilia
VexXx Dogg wrote:sooooo, was that an endorsement or job perk?

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Wasn't the Church always supporting this?

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Postby maj. tom » October 22nd, 2020, 3:17 pm

alfa wrote:Wait till they support abortion as well, Seems like the radical left has infiltrated the Catholic church


Recognizing equal human rights for all people, no matter their sexual orientation, omg!!! the radical left has infiltrated the church. Oh, remember when the Vatican started appointing black Archbishops? OMG the radical left again undermining society!! Remember when the Nazis sent children to concentration camps for their different eye colors? OMG the radical... wait, wait...

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Postby elec2020 » October 22nd, 2020, 3:30 pm

Just now is full support for abortion, peadophillia, gender reassignment surgery and wars. The end if days is coming.

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Postby maj. tom » October 22nd, 2020, 3:33 pm

Just now slaves will be set free and the white masters will have to pay wages, black people, even women will have the right to vote, workers will have labour rights, children will be allowed to go to school and not work in the coal mines. The end of days are coming. Prepare for the collapse of civilisation caused by the radical left.

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Postby elec2020 » October 22nd, 2020, 3:46 pm

Gay rights and black rights are two different things. You have to be a fool to compare the two. Then again look who i talking to

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Postby maj. tom » October 22nd, 2020, 3:56 pm

... how are they different? Please explain. Just explain it please without your drama queen libel. How are gay/trans rights and black rights different? How are human rights different?

Yes, i readily acknowledge i'm a fool for trying to talk to you. You who know everything, oh exalted forum whiner.

Hey you still running Windows 10, or you migrated to Red Hat Enterprise yet?

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https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/28/us/b ... heirs.html

https://www.npr.org/2015/07/02/41955475 ... vil-rights

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/opin ... 564436002/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1990 ... gays-pbto/

https://www.lgbtmap.org/file/talking-ab ... ricans.pdf

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/20 ... gay-rights

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/24 ... -insult-to

the links provided include my reasons why the comparison of the two is considered disingenuous and an insult to black people. But gays like you (i realize you pushing hard for gay rights... sus) probably don't understand that. They will use whatever resources to justify there actions to sex does of the same gender. Something that goes against the fundamentals of nature. Anyway this is my last post to you have a good day and remember to stay safe, it is scientifically proven that gay people are more likely to get AIDs than straight people

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Postby redmanjp » October 22nd, 2020, 4:37 pm

maj. tom wrote:
Gladiator wrote:Wait till next 5 years when they support paedophilia
VexXx Dogg wrote:sooooo, was that an endorsement or job perk?

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Wasn't the Church always supporting this?


i have heard how the Freemasons wanted to destroy the church but decided to to it from within by infiltrating it and choosing paedophiles to become priests. not sure how true it is

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Postby maj. tom » October 22nd, 2020, 4:43 pm

You better had! "gays like you" look someone online supporting human rights, hurdurr he gay too, hehehehe.

Every single one of those links you posted is actually an opinion piece written by Conservative Americans. You really ended up quoting Mike Huckabee on this matter? The one you posted from http://www.lgbtmap.org i don't think you actually read it because it says that there could be a different definition of what civil rights mean to African-Americans vs LGBT, but the goal is the same in recognizing the equality of rights among all people.

Fella, you can believe what you need to right now, and continue your bigotry and hatred. I'm just telling you right here that you are wrong at this point in human history. As you get older, one can only hope you become less arrogant and ignorant, a little wiser, and experience what love is. And when you discover those things, maybe you can look at other people and not hate them for no reason at all, and actually just wish that other people can experience life as wonderfully as you have.

And try to take a step back a bit and read what you post on these forums and how people respond to you. It must be that everybody else is wrong and stupid, just like how you talk to them, and you alone know everything. Your regular "Ok" response to when you're called out tells a lot about the limits of your attitude. There is no further learning or logic or extrapolation from the limited knowledge you only know now. Try to read a little more on topics of philosophy and history and expand your canvas so you will humble yourself when you realize what you don't know and what other people in society experience and why their views can be equally important to them as yours on any topic. Sometimes when you gather a lot more knowledge on a topic and analyze it rationally, you can learn to reject false aphorisms that you believed all your life. Like... why can't two people who love each other get married? Why? Think about it.

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Postby elec2020 » October 22nd, 2020, 5:14 pm

^noted

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Postby De Dragon » October 22nd, 2020, 5:45 pm

elec2020 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/28/us/blacks-rejecting-gay-rights-as-a-battle-equal-to-theirs.html

https://www.npr.org/2015/07/02/41955475 ... vil-rights

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/opin ... 564436002/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1990 ... gays-pbto/

https://www.lgbtmap.org/file/talking-ab ... ricans.pdf

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/20 ... gay-rights

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/24 ... -insult-to

the links provided include my reasons why the comparison of the two is considered disingenuous and an insult to black people. But gays like you (i realize you pushing hard for gay rights... sus) probably don't understand that. They will use whatever resources to justify there actions to sex does of the same gender. Something that goes against the fundamentals of nature. Anyway this is my last post to you have a good day and remember to stay safe, it is scientifically proven that gay people are more likely to get AIDs than straight people

When I thought that you had fully plumbed the deepest depths of dotishness possible, you pull out the old shovel and prove me wrong.

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^ noted

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