Re: PNM in Gov't

[paid_influencer]

people think Zoom blowing smoke... but it real. It have one particular (denominational) Girl's Primary School in San Fernando where parents are tell me how much stress their children does go through in that school.

Not just one parent eh, is dozens of different parents over more than a decade telling me about that school. Every one of them is Indian and the school is overwhelmingly African. Academically, the school not bad but these parents end up paying money to go somewhere else.

Who want to play is all racial harmony in every school, miss me with that crap.

[The_Honourable]

If I have a son or daughter who is bright to attend a prestige school, but got zoned to some underperforming school, i will be doing a disservice sending my child to that environment and more than likely change the positive life path to negative. Denominationals do have their problems with classism, elitism and academic pressures... some worse than others but I can deal with that versus putting my child in a broken government system where the prospects of success are slim and trauma is high.

It's no secret that after independence, the number of scholarship winners of afro decent began to drop. There is the case that many afro students come from broken homes and live in areas where poverty and crime exists which affects their ability to learn. Teachers are not respected and loose motivation after a few years where they just teach to get a paycheck. That's not the fault of the the concordat and denominationals privilege to choose 20% which is always a scapegoat. Simply put... government schools are non-performers. Fix your house first.

[sMASH]

when the govt mash up the concordat, will people be willing to pay tuition to go to those same prestige schools?

[Numb3r4]

Some might opt for home schooling and lessons per subject.
Similar to what is happening now with many kids.

I see the parents arranging with private tutors to deliver lessons and I hear that some are better than the school.

The tutors can probably deliver the syllabus faster which could allow the child the work from home and then go on to write privately.

Or who knows maybe younger folks who applied to the teaching service might just opt out and go private altogether thus creating more "schools" that follow the private tutor model and this might drive the price down.

[sMASH]

^ a new industry starting there. when i say new, i mean like, the size might be comparable to the prestige schools.

govt pull the trigger and parents who could afford it will pull out.

[timelapse]

Already a decade into this.There's Reno and Upper level in Chaguanas, Daniel's in Sando ,if they still exist and a host of others.I not popping down government schools eh.For technical and industrial subjects, they produce some of the very best, especially Carapichaima , not sure about the east and west thing, and Princes Town.I know quite a few engineers that started off in these schools. My humble suggestion is to play at strengths.Focus the prestige schools on academics, and focus govt schools on technical stuff and sports. Be career oriented instead of just providing a generic product

^ a new industry starting there. when i say new, i mean like, the size might be comparable to the prestige schools.

govt pull the trigger and parents who could afford it will pull out.

[Dizzy28]

People fight down sending their kids to prestige schools only to then send the kids extra lessons 7 days a week.

That not making any sense!!

[zoom rader]

People fight down sending their kids to prestige schools only to then send the kids extra lessons 7 days a week.

That not making any sense!!

Lessons or Golden Grove.

Choose

[Redman]

Already a decade into this.There's Reno and Upper level in Chaguanas, Daniel's in Sando ,if they still exist and a host of others.I not popping down government schools eh.For technical and industrial subjects, they produce some of the very best, especially Carapichaima , not sure about the east and west thing, and Princes Town.I know quite a few engineers that started off in these schools. My humble suggestion is to play at strengths.Focus the prestige schools on academics, and focus govt schools on technical stuff and sports. Be career oriented instead of just providing a generic product

^ a new industry starting there. when i say new, i mean like, the size might be comparable to the prestige schools.

govt pull the trigger and parents who could afford it will pull out.

Privatize the managementand maintainence of the schools.
Keep ownership with the state.
Company bids for x school at y rate per student per term.

Management has to deliver contact hours and passes for a fixed price.

[zoom rader]

Already a decade into this.There's Reno and Upper level in Chaguanas, Daniel's in Sando ,if they still exist and a host of others.I not popping down government schools eh.For technical and industrial subjects, they produce some of the very best, especially Carapichaima , not sure about the east and west thing, and Princes Town.I know quite a few engineers that started off in these schools. My humble suggestion is to play at strengths.Focus the prestige schools on academics, and focus govt schools on technical stuff and sports. Be career oriented instead of just providing a generic product

^ a new industry starting there. when i say new, i mean like, the size might be comparable to the prestige schools.

govt pull the trigger and parents who could afford it will pull out.

Privatize the managementand maintainence of the schools.
Keep ownership with the state.
Company bids for x school at y rate per student per term.

Management has to deliver contact hours and passes for a fixed price.

Bullchit

[bluefete]

That is a recipe for corruption, if there ever was one. You know anything to be ever done for a fixed price in T&T. They start off with one sum and end up with double and triple the price.

It would also put education beyond the reach of many.

Privatize the management and maintainance of the schools.
Keep ownership with the state. Company bids for x school at y rate per student per term.

Management has to deliver contact hours and passes for a fixed price.

[zoom rader]

That is a recipe for corruption, if there ever was one. You know anything to be ever done for a fixed price in T&T. They start off with one sum and end up with double and triple the price.

It would also put education beyond the reach of many.

Privatize the management and maintainance of the schools.
Keep ownership with the state. Company bids for x school at y rate per student per term.

Management has to deliver contact hours and passes for a fixed price.

That's why I said Bullchit

Never let the red government run anything not even a parlour

[sMASH]

Already a decade into this.There's Reno and Upper level in Chaguanas, Daniel's in Sando ,if they still exist and a host of others.I not popping down government schools eh.For technical and industrial subjects, they produce some of the very best, especially Carapichaima , not sure about the east and west thing, and Princes Town.I know quite a few engineers that started off in these schools. My humble suggestion is to play at strengths.Focus the prestige schools on academics, and focus govt schools on technical stuff and sports. Be career oriented instead of just providing a generic product

^ a new industry starting there. when i say new, i mean like, the size might be comparable to the prestige schools.

govt pull the trigger and parents who could afford it will pull out.

Privatize the managementand maintainence of the schools.
Keep ownership with the state.
Company bids for x school at y rate per student per term.

Management has to deliver contact hours and passes for a fixed price.

niquan? give niquan, ansa and amalgamated the contracts.

[timelapse]

My suggestion was leaving ownership where it is, that was another tuner's 2¢. Management of these places is not my concern.
What I'm suggesting is specialising.
Eg. If X school producing good IT students, focus your curriculum around that.If you producing better technical students, focus around that.

[Redman]

A...it reduces govt involvement to oversight..so
B it's easy to reverse auction the selection process and publish the results ..keeping cost down and bring transparency to the process.

It actually is close to revenue neutral..based on 2018\19 budget for what will be a big jump in the quality of education delivered.

[zoom rader]

A...it reduces govt involvement to oversight..so
B it's easy to reverse auction the selection process and publish the results ..keeping cost down and bring transparency to the process.

It actually is close to revenue neutral..based on 2018\19 budget for what will be a big jump in the quality of education delivered.

Nothing is transparent under the red government.

They play with words like Petrotrin is still in operation but some 3500 workers lost their jobs

[Numb3r4]

^ a new industry starting there. when i say new, i mean like, the size might be comparable to the prestige schools.

govt pull the trigger and parents who could afford it will pull out.

Not starting but actually in existence, at the start of this entire COVID debacle I was more aware of "lessons" teachers going online and even before these "lessons" teacher were using email to communicate with parents.

The same applied to the distribution of handouts. They were accustomed to doing it before. A few of those teachers would give out optional worksheets and such even before COVID so now that COVID is here they had that expertise of distributing work and using email and such.

Even parent to teacher contact, the direct financial nature of the business meant that parents who paid would also meet the teachers more often, and the fact that parents would go to pick-up the students furthered the closeness between the teacher and parent and this helps the student.

While it sounds great remember some may not be able to afford the price.

[sMASH]

well, that is the situation with the scholarships being transferred down to the normal schooling. if u cant afford it, u do without... which in this case is public school.
should u solve the problem for the future generations and the budget of the govt? maybe, maybe no.

in highlighting the concordat, the govt has to be considering if the achievements that the country was able to benefit from having it, is it worth the dollars and cents they trying to save now.

[De Dragon]

"For a man who is not shy about boasting constantly, almost with every sentence he utters, about the great job he has done, led by Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley, it is now almost painful to see clearly that the rollout is at best stuttering if not stalled".
Habit7 only has a problem with Curtis Williams when he writes about the truth. Curtis Williams is the premier economic and energy journalist who took the mantle from the late David Renwick. The exceedingly embarrassing vaccine debacle has shown up T&T AGAIN, and to attack the messenger while ignoring the stark reality that we were misled, is the hallmark off a rabid LFD RFD PNM apologist.

[zoom rader]

"For a man who is not shy about boasting constantly, almost with every sentence he utters, about the great job he has done, led by Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley, it is now almost painful to see clearly that the rollout is at best stuttering if not stalled".
Habit7 only has a problem with Curtis Williams when he writes about the truth. Curtis Williams is the premier economic and energy journalist who took the mantle from the late David Renwick. The exceedingly embarrassing vaccine debacle has shown up T&T AGAIN, and to attack the messenger while ignoring the stark reality that we were misled, is the hallmark off a rabid LFD RFD PNM apologist.

Where was Habit7 to highlight when red government agents pretending to journalists who are now red government minsters.

Habit7 full ah 5hit

[De Dragon]

"For a man who is not shy about boasting constantly, almost with every sentence he utters, about the great job he has done, led by Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley, it is now almost painful to see clearly that the rollout is at best stuttering if not stalled".
Habit7 only has a problem with Curtis Williams when he writes about the truth. Curtis Williams is the premier economic and energy journalist who took the mantle from the late David Renwick. The exceedingly embarrassing vaccine debacle has shown up T&T AGAIN, and to attack the messenger while ignoring the stark reality that we were misled, is the hallmark off a rabid LFD RFD PNM apologist.

Where was Habit7 to highlight when red government agents pretending to journalists who are now red government minsters.

Habit7 full ah 5hit

He had orn he red tints...................................

[De Dragon]

Yeah smash...we should have sold it for scrap.

Dummies praising a plant that cost us $1.5B to build that will pay back $2B OVER THE LIFE OF THE PLANT, only to be sold for a pittance as some sort of act deserving of praise. These arse lickers will sanction ANYTHING LFD RFD PNM. Malcolm Jones went to his grave in peace thanks to Arse Wari's direct intervention, coming AFTER PT had already filed a suit. Now, did someone in PT Legal wake up one morning and decide that? No, they would have done their homework on the possible success of a prosecution, but Arse Wari went with disgraced and corrupt Nelson's opinion.

[Redress10]

No schools in TT are "prestigious" schools. That's the first myth that trinis need to get over. Unless you are paying for your education then it can't be prestigious. Prestige comes at a costs and it is usually pretty hefty sum. Think about any reputable boarding school in the world, they cost about 30000 usd per year on average just for education.

Our schools are funded by taxpayers and student selection is manipulated to give the wealthy and connected an advantage. That is the sole purpose of the 20%. This just allows the wealthy to save money from not having to privately fund their children's education for 5 years leading up to o'levels.

Most wealthy ppl send their kids to one of the international schools after o'levels to get them ready for us or canada college. Again, those schools are not prestigious neither.

This notion of prestigious vs government school is keeping our entire education system back. I think "prestigious" schools should become completely private operating without any government funds. Let's see how long they will last. Remember prestigious schools teachers are trained and paid by the state. So there is nothing different between learning at a gov't school vs prestigious school. Same curriculum and exam everything.

[teems1]

No schools in TT are "prestigious" schools. That's the first myth that trinis need to get over. Unless you are paying for your education then it can't be prestigious. Prestige comes at a costs and it is usually pretty hefty sum. Think about any reputable boarding school in the world, they cost about 30000 usd per year on average just for education.

Our schools are funded by taxpayers and student selection is manipulated to give the wealthy and connected an advantage. That is the sole purpose of the 20%. This just allows the wealthy to save money from not having to privately fund their children's education for 5 years leading up to o'levels.

Most wealthy ppl send their kids to one of the international schools after o'levels to get them ready for us or canada college. Again, those schools are not prestigious neither.

This notion of prestigious vs government school is keeping our entire education system back. I think "prestigious" schools should become completely private operating without any government funds. Let's see how long they will last. Remember prestigious schools teachers are trained and paid by the state. So there is nothing different between learning at a gov't school vs prestigious school. Same curriculum and exam everything.

Everyone is all for societal harmony and love to say "all of we is Trini" until it comes to their child.

Then the gloves come off.

Go look at the failure rates in CXC. 2020 was an anomaly but in 2019 it was 50% Math and 45% English A failure rates.

There's a reason parents want to separate their children from those who don't want to learn.

[Redress10]

Teems

The children doing well is not because of the school or any opportunity that the school provides. It's because of the dedicated parents who focus on their children.

The system designed for the rich and connected to benefit off the backs of taxpayers via the concordat. Let those schools turn private and see how long they last. Let government focus on creating "prestigious" government schools where selection is strictly.merit based and no more 20%.

Right now it is not based on merit. It is only based on merit when poor Kwame and Raj need a place. Rich and connected ppl know what school their children going before they even sit SEA. They know this because years before they start befriending school administrators by donating to the school etc. This is essentially bribery. They also game the system via "private" primary schools. So sending your child bishops jr is a short cut into bishops girls etc.

The SEA is really for the few with little or no connections "hoping" to pass.

The failure rate is because government ministers own children don't go to government schools so why would they improve them. Hear nah, some of alluh aint understand the kinda wool these ppl pull over alluh eyes. The business class and political class basically colluding to rob taxpayers blind in every single aspect of life in Trinidad and Tobago.

[Rory Phoulorie]

high way to pt fortain is a major initiative. a way better initiative than a highway to no where. hundred+ schools started and near completion, a way better way to pull the red and ready hotspots out of crime than a pool. kamala laptop program.... apart from the concordat, is one of the best education initiatives in education to propel the youth into the present(cause we was trapped in the past before).

compared to PNM that only real money earner is ticket and tax. road like sheit, but is ticket for ur number plate. tax like woah, but stagnating the economy, eviscerating the job creating atmosphere... unless u call windscreen washing 'job creation'.

Just a FYI.

The highway to Point Fortin was initiated and designed under the PNM. Moonilal of the PP went and gathered up some south people and protested the construction of said highway during the design and public consultation stage under the PNM.

All of a sudden, when PP come into power, they no longer had an issue with the highway.

With respect to that Build 100 schools programme under the PP, you need to go check the quality control records and see whether what was built was done to the required specifications. I have checked the quality control records of some ECCECs, primary schools and secondary schools and I have seen some frightening things with respect to the quality control on those projects. I am glad the projects that I have looked at have not been open to the public and will do what I can to not have them open until the issues have been fixed.

i cant recall that it started earlier. but, its good that it started. i only remember that it was during pp time, and tanty telling kamala to run the highway between she leg... the highway reroute movement.


eccec schools, didnt come across the qc concerns, was never made a point to go against them. many of them near to completion. should have gone the route of the biche highschool, evaluated what needs to get which on track, and which is most necessary and pumped out at least a few.
frightening or not, this is the first that i am being made aware of it, a whole term and more after they left office.

again, if people wasting tax money, go after the wasters ! or is only kamala good enough to recoup govt money?

Rory does only point things under PP

You never here him ill speak the red government

Rory is a suck balls red government agent.

He falls in line with p¤rnhabit 7 & Redman.

Dem never point out anything bad under the red government

ZR,

You have a very convenient memory. Go check the corruption thread and you would see where I highlighted crap and corruption under the PNM.

You want something bad under the PNM at present? That highway in Cumuto to nowhere. The tenderer that got the highway construction contract should have never been awarded that contracted on their piss poor performance on previous infrastructure contracts for the same State enterprise that awarded that contract.

How that tenderer got past the prequalification process in that State enterprise is anyone's guess.

I am actually considering applying for the prequalification report for that project under the Freedom of Information Act because I really need to see how that tenderer made the cut.

[MaxPower]

The children doing well is not because of the school or any opportunity that the school provides. It's because of the dedicated parents who focus on their children

[De Dragon]

while other first world countries giving out monthly stimulus checks... focus on the stimulus part, cause stimulus means they want to stimulate business keeping people running, trinidad push people on the breadline.
profit was not the only reason to shut it down, instead of keeping it open to go tru is streamlining process.

Yep and those firstworld countries Debt to GDP is north of 100% yet you complaining about Petrotrin debt created by the PNM-
more of your half way logic and memory.

Hold on, we're almost there thanks to JUHN Scarfy and Co.

[zoom rader]

high way to pt fortain is a major initiative. a way better initiative than a highway to no where. hundred+ schools started and near completion, a way better way to pull the red and ready hotspots out of crime than a pool. kamala laptop program.... apart from the concordat, is one of the best education initiatives in education to propel the youth into the present(cause we was trapped in the past before).

compared to PNM that only real money earner is ticket and tax. road like sheit, but is ticket for ur number plate. tax like woah, but stagnating the economy, eviscerating the job creating atmosphere... unless u call windscreen washing 'job creation'.

Just a FYI.

The highway to Point Fortin was initiated and designed under the PNM. Moonilal of the PP went and gathered up some south people and protested the construction of said highway during the design and public consultation stage under the PNM.

All of a sudden, when PP come into power, they no longer had an issue with the highway.

With respect to that Build 100 schools programme under the PP, you need to go check the quality control records and see whether what was built was done to the required specifications. I have checked the quality control records of some ECCECs, primary schools and secondary schools and I have seen some frightening things with respect to the quality control on those projects. I am glad the projects that I have looked at have not been open to the public and will do what I can to not have them open until the issues have been fixed.

i cant recall that it started earlier. but, its good that it started. i only remember that it was during pp time, and tanty telling kamala to run the highway between she leg... the highway reroute movement.


eccec schools, didnt come across the qc concerns, was never made a point to go against them. many of them near to completion. should have gone the route of the biche highschool, evaluated what needs to get which on track, and which is most necessary and pumped out at least a few.
frightening or not, this is the first that i am being made aware of it, a whole term and more after they left office.

again, if people wasting tax money, go after the wasters ! or is only kamala good enough to recoup govt money?

Rory does only point things under PP

You never here him ill speak the red government

Rory is a suck balls red government agent.

He falls in line with p¤rnhabit 7 & Redman.

Dem never point out anything bad under the red government

ZR,

You have a very convenient memory. Go check the corruption thread and you would see where I highlighted crap and corruption under the PNM.

You want something bad under the PNM at present? That highway in Cumuto to nowhere. The tenderer that got the highway construction contract should have never been awarded that contracted on their piss poor performance on previous infrastructure contracts for the same State enterprise that awarded that contract.

How that tenderer got past the prequalification process in that State enterprise is anyone's guess.

I am actually considering applying for the prequalification report for that project under the Freedom of Information Act because I really need to see how that tenderer made the cut.

Please do highlight and show these red government ill deeds cause people like Habit7, Redman and eliteauto won't highlight their party corruption .

[zoom rader]

Teems

The children doing well is not because of the school or any opportunity that the school provides. It's because of the dedicated parents who focus on their children.

The system designed for the rich and connected to benefit off the backs of taxpayers via the concordat. Let those schools turn private and see how long they last. Let government focus on creating "prestigious" government schools where selection is strictly.merit based and no more 20%.

Right now it is not based on merit. It is only based on merit when poor Kwame and Raj need a place. Rich and connected ppl know what school their children going before they even sit SEA. They know this because years before they start befriending school administrators by donating to the school etc. This is essentially bribery. They also game the system via "private" primary schools. So sending your child bishops jr is a short cut into bishops girls etc.

The SEA is really for the few with little or no connections "hoping" to pass.

The failure rate is because government own children don't go to government schools so why would they improve them. Hear nah, some of alluh aint understand the kinda wool these ppl pull over alluh eyes. The business class and political class basically colluding to rob taxpayers blind in every single aspect of life in Trinidad and Tobago.

This is correct, plus parents don't want their kids mixing with the hooligans.