Riots in the USA

[adnj]

Regardless of the verdict i feel those worthless blm fakers going to create chaos again!

Have to keep the narrative focussed on the emotions and not the facts.The facts do not bear up the noise. And the solutions are not exciting news.
' They right cuz they feel offended and are loud'

You see the same crap here.

You would swear there is a graduate level course on victimhood.

Two-thirds of the US public surveyed before George Floyd's death disagrees with you.




https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/

[MaxPower]

What about innocent people who are victims of crimes especially from blacks?

How are they treated?

[Kickstart]

What about innocent people who are victims of crimes especially from blacks?

How are they treated?

You seem you be anti black, are you a racist?

[adnj]

[Redman]

Regardless of the verdict i feel those worthless blm fakers going to create chaos again!

Have to keep the narrative focussed on the emotions and not the facts.The facts do not bear up the noise. And the solutions are not exciting news.
' They right cuz they feel offended and are loud'

You see the same crap here.

You would swear there is a graduate level course on victimhood.

Two-thirds of the US public surveyed before George Floyd's death disagrees with you.




https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/

Wonderful- you have a bunch of opinions.
A significant percentage of those also believe that the world is flat, and that Elvis lives.

The high school walkouts against racial injustice and police brutality

While your selected poll deals with the entire judicial system the protesters are protesting Black men being killed by police, look at the plackards

Thats what I am speaking about.

The headline stats are inflammatory ...every one knows George Floyd....but David Dorn is unknown

The FBI data shows that about 40% of violent crimes are committed by Afro Americans.At 13% of the population,if this is the case then Afro Americans are 3x more likely to be involved in the types of confrontations that are violent...and someone always loses.

Police fatally shoot about 1100 people a year- justified and unjustified....out of 10,000,000 arrests per year.
About 250 of these are Afro American

The numbers are consistent more or less over the years, and there are ongoing Use of Force policy training at a dept levels that have proven to reduce Police shooting in TOTAL and also Officers being shot.

IMHO instead of shooting,riot/loot ,court,verdict,riot/loot to be repeated endlessly ...... lets solve the shootings.
Thats the immediate problem.
If the UoF training reduces shootings by 50%(some Depts are as high as 70%) then that would benefit the Afro American community to the extent of their representation in those types of interactions with Police.

So train the facking Police

These riots are going to change what???

Any society putting George Floyd and Duarte Wright up on a pedestal while real men like David Dorn remain in obscurity, is a society whose polls dont mean one fack.
End of Rant

[MaxPower]

What about innocent people who are victims of crimes especially from blacks?

How are they treated?

You seem you be anti black, are you a racist?

Hello Kickstart,

No i’m not but why would you even suspect that?

[adnj]

Regardless of the verdict i feel those worthless blm fakers going to create chaos again!

Have to keep the narrative focussed on the emotions and not the facts.The facts do not bear up the noise. And the solutions are not exciting news.
' They right cuz they feel offended and are loud'

You see the same crap here.

You would swear there is a graduate level course on victimhood.

Two-thirds of the US public surveyed before George Floyd's death disagrees with you.




https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/

Wonderful- you have a bunch of opinions.
A significant percentage of those also believe that the world is flat, and that Elvis lives.

The high school walkouts against racial injustice and police brutality

While your selected poll deals with the entire judicial system the protesters are protesting Black men being killed by police, look at the plackards

Thats what I am speaking about.

The headline stats are inflammatory ...every one knows George Floyd....but David Dorn is unknown

The FBI data shows that about 40% of violent crimes are committed by Afro Americans.At 13% of the population,if this is the case then Afro Americans are 3x more likely to be involved in the types of confrontations that are violent...and someone always loses.

Police fatally shoot about 1100 people a year- justified and unjustified....out of 10,000,000 arrests per year.
About 250 of these are Afro American

The numbers are consistent more or less over the years, and there are ongoing Use of Force policy training at a dept levels that have proven to reduce Police shooting in TOTAL and also Officers being shot.

IMHO instead of shooting,riot/loot ,court,verdict,riot/loot to be repeated endlessly ...... lets solve the shootings.
Thats the immediate problem.
If the UoF training reduces shootings by 50%(some Depts are as high as 70%) then that would benefit the Afro American community to the extent of their representation in those types of interactions with Police.

So train the facking Police

These riots are going to change what???

Any society putting George Floyd and Duarte Wright up on a pedestal while real men like David Dorn remain in obscurity, is a society whose polls dont mean one fack.
End of Rant

Unless you vote in the USA, what difference does your opinion make? The point is, those that do live (and vote) in the USA have a different perspective. That perspective is likely to change US national policies.

Spend some time in the USA - you will learn what to look out for.

Blacks and Whites as Victims and Offenders in Aggressive Crime in the U.S.
Myths and Realities

Nathaniel J. Pallone PhD &James J. Hennessy PhD

Pages 1-33 | Published online: 12 Oct 2008


Abstract

This paper analyzes data on the annual incidence of aggressive crime (homicide, sexual assault, aggravated assault) in relation to race, contrasting proportional distribution of Blacks and whites among victims and offenders in relation to their representation in the general U.S. population. Blacks are over-represented among offenders in each category of aggressive crime: in homicide at a level 315% greater than their representation in the general population, in sexual assault at a level 404% as great, in aggravated assault at 274% greater than their representation in the general population. Whites and “others” are under-represented among offenders. Blacks are at highly increased risk, relative to their representation in the nation's population, for victimization in homicide and at some disadvantage (although not at a level appropriately denominated as risk in a statistical sense) for victimization in both sexual and aggravated assault. Episodes of criminal aggression initiated by white offenders account for slightly more than 73% of all single-offender episodes of aggressive crime, while episodes initiated by Black offenders account for approximately 27%, so that white-perpetrated criminal aggression exceeds Black-initiated criminal aggression at a ratio of 2.7:1. Blacks are represented among offenders in aggressive crime slightly more than twice their representation in the nation's population. It is more than five times as likely that a white victim has been set upon by a white offender than by a Black offender and nearly seven times as likely that a Black victim has been set upon by a Black offender as by a white offender. It is 32 times as likely that a white offender will victimize another white as it is that he or she will victimize a Black. But Black offenders victimize whites as frequently as they victimize other Blacks. When gender and age are considered interactively with race, it is seen that Black males in adolescence and adulthood are at astronomically enhanced risk both for homicide offending and for victimization in homicide, such that Black males aged 18-24 are at a risk level for offending nearly 28 times greater and for victimization nearly 17 times greater than their representation in the national population. Data on divergence in “choice” of victim by Black offenders not inflected by age and on the astronomical risk for homicide offending by young Black men likely anchor a phenomenology of fear among whites.


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... ode=wjor20


Compare with the following:

African-Americans More Likely to be Wrongfully Convicted

African-American prisoners who were convicted of murder are about 50 percent more likely to be innocent than other convicted murderers and spend longer in prison before exoneration, according to a report released today that’s co-edited by a Michigan State University College of Law professor.

“The vast majority of wrongful convictions are never discovered,” said MSU Law’s Barbara O’Brien, the author of a companion report, “Exonerations in 2016,” and editor of the National Registry of Exonerations. “There’s no doubt anymore that innocent people get convicted regularly—that’s beyond dispute. Increasingly, police, prosecutors and judges recognize this problem. But will we do enough to actually address it? That remains to be seen.”

“Exonerations in 2016” found a record number of exonerations for the third straight year and a record number of cases with official misconduct.

The National Registry of Exonerations is a joint project of the University of California Irvine Newkirk Center for Science and Society, University of Michigan Law School and Michigan State University College of Law. The registry provides detailed information about every known exoneration in the United States since 1989 – cases in which a person was wrongly convicted of a crime and later cleared of all the charges based on new evidence of innocence.

The 2016 data show convictions that led to murder exonerations with black defendants were more likely to involve misconduct by police officers than those with white defendants. On average, black murder exonerees waited three years longer in prison before release than whites.

Judging from exonerations, a black prisoner serving time for sexual assault is three-and-a-half times more likely to be innocent than a white person convicted of sexual assault. On average, innocent African-Americans convicted of sexual assault spent almost four-and-a-half years longer in prison before exoneration than innocent whites.

In addition, the report, officially titled, “Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States,” found innocent black people are about 12 times more likely to be convicted of drug crimes than innocent white people.

Since 1989, more than 1,800 defendants have been cleared in “group exonerations” that followed 15 large-scale police scandals in which officers systematically framed innocent defendants. The overwhelming majority were African-American defendants framed for drug crimes that never occurred.

“Of the many costs the war on drugs inflicts on the black community, the practice of deliberately charging innocent defendants with fabricated crimes may be the most shameful,” said University of Michigan Law Professor Samuel Gross, the author of “Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States” and senior editor of the National Registry of Exonerations.

Last year, there were more exonerations than in any previous year in which government officials committed misconduct; the convictions were based on guilty pleas; no crime actually occurred; and a prosecutorial conviction integrity unit worked on the exoneration.

https://research.msu.edu/innocent-afric ... convicted/

[Redman]

Wonderful info-still irrelevant.
Those girls still are dealing with Police Shootings of Black people.

When actual data is used Police shoot more men.
That mean they sexist?

No-men seem more inclined to be involved in the violent confrontations

Which approach is more pragmatic?

Deal with the society at large and try to approach from a top down society at large perspective?

Or just deal with the problem by reducing the tendency of all police to shoot ALL people.

We can protest and loot and complain and do surveys until we blue in the face.

There is actual real world experience that the Use of Force reduces fatalities in total.
There is the actual experiential data that shows that the racial make up of the POLICE dept is not causal with the racial make up or quantity of shootings.


If we dont deal with problems where they are-in this case in police interactions with the population, we will get the same results as we got from Floyds riots.

Nat wan fackin ting.

[adnj]

While your selected poll deals with the entire judicial system the protesters are protesting Black men being killed by police, look at the plackards

Thats what I am speaking about.

There is the actual experiential data that shows that the racial make up of the POLICE dept is not causal with the racial make up or quantity of shootings.

If we dont deal with problems where they are-in this case in police interactions with the population, we will get the same results as we got from Floyds riots.

Spend some time in the USA - you will learn what to look out for.

[adnj]

.....

[The_Honourable]

Derek Chauvin has been convicted on all charges in the killing of George Floyd.

[adnj]

Derek Chauvin found guilty of all 3 charges in George Floyd's death

A jury on Tuesday found former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in George Floyd's death.

Why it matters: This rare conviction of a police officer may come to be seen as a defining moment in America's collective reckoning with issues of race and justice.

Video of Chauvin holding his knee to Floyd's neck for more than 9 minutes as Floyd pleaded that he couldn't breathe sparked global protests.
The state of play: The verdict was announced after the jury deliberated for more than 10 hours.

What's next: A sentencing decision will be rendered in the coming weeks.

Chauvin faces a likely sentence of up to 12 years behind bars, though the judge could go higher if jurors find aggravating factors.

https://www.axios.com/derek-chauvin-gui ... 7734f.html

[K74T]

Excellent

[elec2020]

always going to happen. justice served. let this be an example for those who pushing vigilante justice. u will be charged and jailed

[Dohplaydat]

Biden's America.....sorry Chauvin

[MaxPower]

always going to happen. justice served. let this be an example for those who pushing vigilante justice. u will be charged and jailed

Hello elec2020,

Justice is served.

So for the next allegedly unlawful killing will BLM still loot, burn and destroy?

[MaxPower]

Feeling it for Chauvin.

Was really hoping he got second degree manslaughter.

But anyways, justice for Criminal Floyd.

[elec2020]

in no way shape or form do i agree with the looting and pillaging aspects of the protests. that was uncalled for and derailed the whole point of the movement. but as a person of color who has been abroad i can say definitely that the US has a race issue. especially when it comes to policing. case in point just the other day the st.lucian guy got shot while he was chilling in his own apartment cause a woman officer mistakenly thought she was in her own apartment. to much nonsense like that happens in the States. its about time people of color get treated fairly.

[sam1978]

Is this really a race issue or bad policing?

Punctuation please. It’s hard to read when a whole paragraph has no capitals, punctuation or spaces.

[adnj]

[Redman]

Is this really a race issue or bad policing?

Punctuation please. It’s hard to read when a whole paragraph has no capitals, punctuation or spaces.

If you believe the problem is the deaths ...then it is a policing problem.

If you believe that the judicial system is relevant to a fatal shooting BEFORE arrest...then see above analysis posted by adnj.

[elec2020]

Is this really a race issue or bad policing?

Punctuation please. It’s hard to read when a whole paragraph has no capitals, punctuation or spaces.

If you believe the problem is the deaths ...then it is a policing problem.

If you believe that the judicial system is relevant to a fatal shooting BEFORE arrest...then see above analysis posted by adnj.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ite-people

https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

In 2019, 13,459 stops were recorded.
8,867 were innocent (66 percent).
7,981 were Black (59 percent).
3,869 were Latinx (29 percent).
1,215 were white (9 percent).

[Les Bain]

Feeling it for Chauvin.

Was really hoping he got second degree manslaughter.

But anyways, justice for Criminal Floyd.

One down, 3 to go!
Any employed person knows how dealing with senior or high level staff is, so the 2 newbies may face some degree of leniency.
But the Asian officer who was guffing up with the crowd while Chauvin chose to murder instead of apprehend a suspect...prison GF life for him.

[teems1]

Biden's America.....sorry Chauvin

Not sure how people are feeling sorry for Chauvin.

He pressed his knee on George's neck for 9 minutes.

Even if using your knee is part of the police policy, how long does it take to arrest someone who isn't fighting back? 9 minutes is nearly half an episode of Friends.

Chauvin probably didn't want to kill George, but surely intended to debilitate and ended up killing him. He deserves everything he gets.

[88sins]

Biden's America.....sorry Chauvin

Not sure how people are feeling sorry for Chauvin.

He pressed his knee on George's neck for 9 minutes.

Even if using your knee is part of the police policy, how long does it take to arrest someone who isn't fighting back? 9 minutes is nearly half an episode of Friends.

Chauvin probably didn't want to kill George, but surely intended to debilitate and ended up killing him. He deserves everything he gets.

this is something people not taking into context
Using a knee on the back of a suspect to pin them to the ground until they can be restrained & then removing the knee is one thing.

But putting a knee on the neck of a suspect, and keeping it there for that long well after he was restrained, and disregarding the fact that he voiced that he was having difficulty breathing 25+ times during the incident, and only calling for medical aid when he started changing color because he almost already dead is a whole other issue.
If as soon as the cuffs were secured Chuavin got off Floyd's neck & sat Floyd up, if that were the case even if Floyd still somehow died, the entire outcome would have been very different .




I wanna see what happens with the Ahmaud Arbery case.
dem 2 krakers hadda fry

[Kickstart]

This article explains why US white police officers are racist .

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/boston-police ... 26039.html

[adnj]

DOJ To Investigate Minneapolis Police For Possible Patterns Of Excessive Force

April 21, 202110:09 AM ET

One day after a jury convicted former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin on murder charges, the U.S. Justice Department launched an investigation into possible patterns of discrimination and excessive force among the police department there.

Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the new civil inquiry on Wednesday, the first such "pattern or practice" investigation in the Biden administration, which has pledged to build trust between police and communities.

"Today, I am announcing that the Justice Department has opened a civil investigation to determine whether the Minneapolis Police Department engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing," he said in remarks at the Justice Department.

He said the investigation is separate from the previously announced federal criminal inquiry into George Floyd's death.

"Yesterday's verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis," Garland said.

He said the investigation will look at the use of excessive force, including during protests, and examine the MPD's accountability systems.

"If the Justice Department concludes that there's reasonable cause to believe there is a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing, we will issue a public report of our conclusions," he said.

The investigation marks a return to increased federal oversight of errant police departments, with a tool the Trump administration used just once in the past four years to examine a small force in Massachusetts. By contrast, during the Obama years, the Justice Department conducted more than two dozen pattern or practice investigations.

Last week, Garland revoked a Trump-era memo that made it more difficult for the Justice Department's civil rights lawyers to reach consent decrees with state and local governments over policing practices and to seek court approval for independent monitors to check whether police departments were honoring the terms of settlements.

https://www.npr.org/sections/trial-over ... sive-force

[adnj]

Is this really a race issue or bad policing?

Punctuation please. It’s hard to read when a whole paragraph has no capitals, punctuation or spaces.

If you believe the problem is the deaths ...then it is a policing problem.

If you believe that the judicial system is relevant to a fatal shooting BEFORE arrest...then see above analysis posted by adnj.

It's a combination of issues, some very subtle. There is no easy fix in the US. Many fixes have been tried - and failed - for more than 150 years.

Bias in the Courtroom

In the wake of a recent high-profile case, a Tufts psychologist weighs in on the role that bias plays in jury decisions
...

Does the racial makeup of a jury matter?

Yes. Research indicates that a jury’s racial composition can influence its decision-making processes and its final decision. All-white juries are more likely to convict minority defendants than are racially-diverse juries, for example.

In research that I’ve conducted, we find that jury deliberations tend to be more thorough, with a broader range of perspectives considered, when a jury is racially diverse versus homogeneous. Over fifty years ago, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall wrote that a lack of diversity “deprives the jury of a perspective of human events that may have unsuspected importance in any case that may be presented.” Research suggests that he was right.

Are juries diverse enough now? What determines whether or not a jury looks like the community from which its drawn?

Unfortunately, there are a number of obstacles to jury diversity. Contrary to what some people assume, there is no requirement that any particular jury be representative of its community. The requirement is that the jury pool—the group of people called to the courthouse for jury duty—has to look like the surrounding community.

Different regions of the country assemble these jury pools differently. Some base them on lists of voter registrations or driver’s licenses or utility bills, and not every facet of society is represented equally by such lists. Then once jury selection begins, attorneys can use their challenges to remove prospective jurors from the jury panel.

Although the Supreme Court has prohibited such challenges based on race, research indicates that race still plays a role in jury selection. When attorneys try to select a jury that will be most sympathetic to their side of the case, they often take into consideration—consciously or otherwise—a prospective juror’s race.

https://now.tufts.edu/articles/bias-courtroom

[Redman]

Again ...the society and judicial issues are not relevant when two individuals square off in this context and both fearful of their life.

The training will reduce the fatalities while the big picture systemic issues resolve themselves.

UoF training reducing shootings by 50% saves 500 lives a year.
Of which 100+ are black.

[timelapse]

Whats funny is that we have a similar situation here and we don't have white officers.So what's the real issue then? Lack of proper police recruitment and training?