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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » April 14th, 2021, 10:23 am

If Police interaction is supposed to be centered around infractions of the law. Then the governing statistic is not the % of the population ..but the frequency with which one part of a population comes into contact with the police, and cause of the interaction.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Habit7 » April 14th, 2021, 10:40 am

Redman wrote:Screen Shot 2021-04-14 at 8.43.53 AM.png

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Mar 31, 2021
Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 213 civilians having been shot, 30 of whom were Black, in the first three months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shootings. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 35 fatal shootings per million of the population as of March 2021.

Those stats don't bring in the factor though African Americans are 15% of the population in the 75 largest U.S. counties, about 60% of robbery and murder defendants.

Police shooting will be the most frequent in the communities with the most armed and violently resisting suspects. The Black community in the US needs to deal with Black culture before they point fingers at systematic racism.

Also when Trini BLM supporters pay attention to US issues and ignore that TT police shootings are 10x worst per capita, they are just bandwagoning.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby teems1 » April 14th, 2021, 10:46 am

Habit7 wrote:
Redman wrote:Screen Shot 2021-04-14 at 8.43.53 AM.png

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Mar 31, 2021
Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 213 civilians having been shot, 30 of whom were Black, in the first three months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shootings. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 35 fatal shootings per million of the population as of March 2021.

Those stats don't bring in the factor though African Americans are 15% of the population in the 75 largest U.S. counties, about 60% of robbery and murder defendants.

Police shooting will be the most frequent in the communities with the most armed and violently resisting suspects. The Black community in the US needs to deal with Black culture before they point fingers at systematic racism.

Also when Trini BLM supporters pay attention to US issues and ignore that TT police shootings are 10x worst per capita, they are just bandwagoning.


Trini police shootings usually end up with a dead "pest" and GG standing over the body in Mt Hope.

In the US, a routine traffic stop or violation can get you killed.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby adnj » April 14th, 2021, 10:51 am

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MaxPower wrote:Why is it in most cases, blacks who are criminals or have “pending” cases or warrants are always being involved in these “innocent” killing?

Something isnt adding up.

Anyways, looks like a genuine mistake, she probably panicked as this “innocent” young man had a previous gun charge. He even failed to appear in court. I’m sure the officer was wondering if he had an unlicensed firearm in his possession.

Well yeh ok condolences to the good boy family and hoping they are not too harsh on the officer. She will make a jail for sure though.
In this case he was stopped for having an air fresher hanging on this rare view mirror.

US cops use this as a pretextual stop to harras black folk. Once they stop you they use all sorts of tricks to jail you.
Yes, some police officers do. Hanging anything in the view of the driver is illegal in some states. Anyone with a US Driver's License knows that expired tags, faulty equipment or erratic driving is probable cause for a traffic stop and background check.

There are no firearms infractions in the United States that I know of that are categorized as a gross misdemeanor.

Yes, police can pull you over for hanging an air freshener in your car

Moments before police fatally shot Daunte Wright during a traffic stop Sunday in a Minneapolis suburb, he called his mother and told her he'd been pulled over for hanging air fresheners from his rearview mirror.

It's not clear how much of a role the air fresheners played in the traffic stop. Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon told reporters Monday that Wright was originally pulled over for an expired tag and that when officers approached his car, they saw an item hanging from the rearview mirror.

Officers ran Wright's name and found a gross misdemeanor warrant, Gannon said, without providing additional details on the dangling item or the warrant. He said the shooting appeared to be "accidental."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/us/p ... index.html
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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » April 14th, 2021, 11:19 am

Habit7 wrote:
Redman wrote:Screen Shot 2021-04-14 at 8.43.53 AM.png

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Mar 31, 2021
Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 213 civilians having been shot, 30 of whom were Black, in the first three months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shootings. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 35 fatal shootings per million of the population as of March 2021.

Those stats don't bring in the factor though African Americans are 15% of the population in the 75 largest U.S. counties, about 60% of robbery and murder defendants.

Police shooting will be the most frequent in the communities with the most armed and violently resisting suspects. The Black community in the US needs to deal with Black culture before they point fingers at systematic racism.

Also when Trini BLM supporters pay attention to US issues and ignore that TT police shootings are 10x worst per capita, they are just bandwagoning.


They are raw numbers.
With respect to all- blacks in the US are involved in Violent crimes at a rate that is exponentially higher than the 15% that they represent in the total population.
If it is that is the case then isnt it to be expected that the police shootings of black people would be disproportionately higher as well?


https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Habit7 » April 14th, 2021, 11:31 am

That is my point. Blacks are primarily disproportionally involved in crime more. Thus bringing disproportionate police attention and police shooting.

But many in the media and leftist politics want us to start the result of police shooting and not the cause of Black crime involvement and say the police are racist and the police needs to change. Noted that the police have had incidences of overt racism, it is not the cause of every interaction. It is accepted Black cultural norms that normalise underperformance and criminal culture is what Blacks have to do even as they point their finger at what everybody else has to do.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » April 14th, 2021, 11:45 am

Use of force training solves the problem for every one.

http://useofforceproject.org/#project
Police departments with four or more of these restrictive use of force policies had the fewest killings per population and per arrest. According to our analysis, the average police department has 54% fewer killings than a police department with none of these policies in place and a police department that has all eight of these policies has 72% fewer killings than a police department with none of these policies in place.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2021, 12:11 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.
A black cop doing his job in Trinidad on black pest is not racists.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2021, 12:13 pm

Habit7 wrote:That is my point. Blacks are primarily disproportionally involved in crime more. Thus bringing disproportionate police attention and police shooting.

But many in the media and leftist politics want us to start the result of police shooting and not the cause of Black crime involvement and say the police are racist and the police needs to change. Noted that the police have had incidences of overt racism, it is not the cause of every interaction. It is accepted Black cultural norms that normalise underperformance and criminal culture is what Blacks have to do even as they point their finger at what everybody else has to do.
All the US has to do is to employ more black cops and put them to conduct traffic stops. Let's see whose racist.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dizzy28 » April 14th, 2021, 12:40 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.
A black cop doing his job in Trinidad on black pest is not racists.


It is not the police's job to be judge, jury and executioner

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Ben_spanna » April 14th, 2021, 12:56 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.


heres a thought, maybe because more black youth get involved into crime than any other ethnic group in Trinidad? look at the statistics of our criminals , look at the ethnic makeup in our jails and then you will see the undeniable truth.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dohplaydat » April 14th, 2021, 1:26 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.


heres a thought, maybe because more black youth get involved into crime than any other ethnic group in Trinidad? look at the statistics of our criminals , look at the ethnic makeup in our jails and then you will see the undeniable truth.


Uhm, name 10 black ghettos - Lavantille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sealots, Maloney, Morvant, Malick, La Horquetta. Mausica, Belmont, Carenage

Name 1 Indian ghetto.........

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby timelapse » April 14th, 2021, 1:27 pm

I keep saying that the problem isn't race.The problem is the dumbarses that get into the police farce.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby adnj » April 14th, 2021, 1:55 pm

Redman wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Redman wrote:Screen Shot 2021-04-14 at 8.43.53 AM.png

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Mar 31, 2021
Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 213 civilians having been shot, 30 of whom were Black, in the first three months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shootings. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 35 fatal shootings per million of the population as of March 2021.

Those stats don't bring in the factor though African Americans are 15% of the population in the 75 largest U.S. counties, about 60% of robbery and murder defendants.

Police shooting will be the most frequent in the communities with the most armed and violently resisting suspects. The Black community in the US needs to deal with Black culture before they point fingers at systematic racism.

Also when Trini BLM supporters pay attention to US issues and ignore that TT police shootings are 10x worst per capita, they are just bandwagoning.


They are raw numbers.
With respect to all- blacks in the US are involved in Violent crimes at a rate that is exponentially higher than the 15% that they represent in the total population.
If it is that is the case then isnt it to be expected that the police shootings of black people would be disproportionately higher as well?


https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf
Habit7 wrote:That is my point. Blacks are primarily disproportionally involved in crime more. Thus bringing disproportionate police attention and police shooting.

But many in the media and leftist politics want us to start the result of police shooting and not the cause of Black crime involvement and say the police are racist and the police needs to change. Noted that the police have had incidences of overt racism, it is not the cause of every interaction. It is accepted Black cultural norms that normalise underperformance and criminal culture is what Blacks have to do even as they point their finger at what everybody else has to do.
This is a circular argument. Since the mid-19th in Great Britain, social scientists have found a causal relationship between poverty and crime. Even Dickens wrote about it - multiple times.

For the USA:

Does poverty lead to crime? Evidence from the United States of America



Mohammed Imran, Mosharrof Hosen, Mohammad Ashraful Ferdous Chowdhury 

International Journal of Social Economics

ISSN: 0306-8293

Publication date: 8 October 2018 

Abstract

Purpose

Economic hardship and crime is always a debatable issue in the political economy literature. Some authors define poverty leads to crime some are completely opposite. The purpose of this paper is to find out the impact of poverty on crime in the USA.

Design/methodology/approach

Using time series data of USA over the period from 1965 to 2016, this study applies autoregressive distributed lag approach to identify the effect of poverty on crime.

Findings

The outcomes confirm a positive co-integrating relationship between poverty and property crime. It can be argued that poverty ultimately leads property crime in long run in the USA. However, unemployment and GDP exhibit neither long-run nor short-run relationship with property crime and they are not cointegrated for the calculated period.

Research limitations/implications

The subject of this paper helps to explain and analyze the nexus between poverty and crime in the USA.

Practical implications

Government and policymakers should focus more on poverty rather than unemployment alone to control property crime.

Originality/value

This study attempts to identify the consequences of economic hardship and poverty on the crime in the advanced economy like USA.

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content ... 0the%20USA.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2021, 3:54 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.
A black cop doing his job in Trinidad on black pest is not racists.


It is not the police's job to be judge, jury and executioner
Well I don't think the white cops know this

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2021, 3:56 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
Ben_spanna wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.


heres a thought, maybe because more black youth get involved into crime than any other ethnic group in Trinidad? look at the statistics of our criminals , look at the ethnic makeup in our jails and then you will see the undeniable truth.


Uhm, name 10 black ghettos - Lavantille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sealots, Maloney, Morvant, Malick, La Horquetta. Mausica, Belmont, Carenage

Name 1 Indian ghetto.........
Oh F**k

Take today's win I really tried to find an injun ghetto

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » April 14th, 2021, 4:48 pm

There seems to be little correlation between the race of cop and the race of the victim.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2021, 4:56 pm

Redman wrote:There seems to be little correlation between the race of cop and the race of the victim.
So its black cops killing Afro Americans?

You full ah 5hit as usual

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » April 14th, 2021, 6:40 pm

It isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

There is widespread concern about racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings and that these disparities reflect discrimination by White officers. Existing databases of fatal shootings lack information about officers, and past analytic approaches have made it difficult to assess the contributions of factors like crime. We create a comprehensive database of officers involved in fatal shootings during 2015 and predict victim race from civilian, officer, and county characteristics. We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Dohplaydat » April 14th, 2021, 6:46 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
Ben_spanna wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.


heres a thought, maybe because more black youth get involved into crime than any other ethnic group in Trinidad? look at the statistics of our criminals , look at the ethnic makeup in our jails and then you will see the undeniable truth.


Uhm, name 10 black ghettos - Lavantille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sealots, Maloney, Morvant, Malick, La Horquetta. Mausica, Belmont, Carenage

Name 1 Indian ghetto.........
Oh F**k

Take today's win I really tried to find an injun ghetto


There isn't any, I've looked. All are safe low-crime communities, while some might be poor, they are always developing and improving.

The question Trinis need to ask ourselves is why are black ghettos stuck in a cycle of poverty?

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Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2021, 7:08 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
Ben_spanna wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^ We may not have racist cops but we have the TTPS disproportionately killing black men in this country at a rate far exceeding that of US cops.


heres a thought, maybe because more black youth get involved into crime than any other ethnic group in Trinidad? look at the statistics of our criminals , look at the ethnic makeup in our jails and then you will see the undeniable truth.


Uhm, name 10 black ghettos - Lavantille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sealots, Maloney, Morvant, Malick, La Horquetta. Mausica, Belmont, Carenage

Name 1 Indian ghetto.........
Oh F**k

Take today's win I really tried to find an injun ghetto


There isn't any, I've looked. All are safe low-crime communities, while some might be poor, they are always developing and improving.

The question Trinis need to ask ourselves is why are black ghettos stuck in a cycle of poverty?
If you are referring to Trini ghettos then the root cause of these problems are the red government. These people are enslaved by the red government and they don't even know it.

The only time these people saw any progress is when non red governments was in power. They was quickly pulled back in to the slavery system, remeber the black caucus group?

This group was a red government sub group designed to pull back in red government people from freedom.

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Postby Dohplaydat » April 14th, 2021, 7:14 pm

zoom rader wrote:]If you are referring to Trini ghettos then the root cause of these problems are the red government. These people are enslaved by the red government and they don't even know it.

The only time these people saw any progress is when non red governments was in power. They was quickly pulled back in to the slavery system, remeber the black caucus group?

This group was a red government sub group designed to pull back in red government people from freedom.


Mostly true I agree.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Seeker » April 15th, 2021, 8:24 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
zoom rader wrote:]If you are referring to Trini ghettos then the root cause of these problems are the red government. These people are enslaved by the red government and they don't even know it.

The only time these people saw any progress is when non red governments was in power. They was quickly pulled back in to the slavery system, remeber the black caucus group?

This group was a red government sub group designed to pull back in red government people from freedom.


Mostly true I agree.

This though.....for years I have told this theory to other but was laughed at. I had chosen a different direction in life and have no regrets. This present government MO was always this model. I have never supported this government. And I never will. My black brethren continue to be asleep.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Ben_spanna » April 19th, 2021, 1:53 pm

Brace for more violence depending on the outcome Judgement in the Floyd CAse.. god help that state if by some miracle they find him not guilty, and even if they convict him on a lesser charge of 2 degree manslaughter , they still going t0 mash up the place with protesting again.

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Postby MaxPower » April 19th, 2021, 7:11 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:Brace for more violence depending on the outcome Judgement in the Floyd CAse.. god help that state if by some miracle they find him not guilty, and even if they convict him on a lesser charge of 2 degree manslaughter , they still going t0 mash up the place with protesting again.


Hello Ben,

New Jordans and iphones are out.

Can you find a better reason for them to get it free without destruction?

BLM

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby adnj » April 19th, 2021, 8:28 pm

Jury begins deliberations after closing arguments in Derek Chauvin trial

By Erin Donaghue

Updated on: April 19, 2021 / 6:58 PM / CBS NEWS

The jury has begun deliberations following closing arguments in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the fired Minneapolis police officer charged in George Floyd's death. The trial is nearing its end after more than 13 days of sometimes tense and emotional testimony at the heavily secured Hennepin County Government Center in downtown Minneapolis. Judge Peter Cahill sent the jurors to deliberate after attorneys on both sides concluded lengthy closing arguments Monday.

Cahill warned jurors not to allow "bias, prejudice, passion, sympathy or public opinion" to influence their decision as they weigh Chauvin's fate. He also instructed jurors not to consider any "consequences or penalties" that may arise from the verdict. Cahill dismissed two alternate jurors from service, and the rest of the panel was then sequestered.

Prosecutor Steve Schleicher was first to deliver the statement Monday, urging jurors to focus on the video showing Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes.

"Believe your eyes," Schleicher said. "Unreasonable force, pinning him to the ground — that's what killed him. This was a homicide." 

Schleicher said Chauvin showed "indifference" to Floyd's pleas for help and continued restraining the man even after he was unresponsive, ignoring the bystanders who were urging him to ease up.

The bystanders, he said, were strangers to Floyd, "randomly chosen by fate" to witness "a shocking abuse of authority — to witness a man die." The group was powerless to help as the police restraint continued, Schleicher said, but they were able to "gather those precious recordings" and testify about what they saw.

"This case is exactly what you thought when you first saw it — when you first saw the video," he said. "It's exactly that. It's exactly what you saw with your eyes. It's exactly what you knew. It's exactly what you felt in your gut. It's what you now know in your heart. This wasn't policing, this was murder."

In his closing argument, defense attorney Eric Nelson said the state has not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt and have not been able to definitely show how Floyd died.

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Postby The_Honourable » April 19th, 2021, 9:57 pm

Verdict might be tomorrow... US on high alert.

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Ben_spanna » April 20th, 2021, 7:41 am

Regardless of the verdict i feel those worthless blm fakers going to create chaos again!

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Postby adnj » April 20th, 2021, 8:14 am

Hundreds join Minneapolis high school walkouts: ‘Police don’t care about us’

Teens gather in Twin Cities to condemn the killings of Daunte Wright and George Floyd as Chauvin trial continues

“National guard, go home!” hundreds of teenagers chanted in a heavily fortified Minneapolis on Monday, as part of statewide high school walkouts over the police killings of Daunte Wright and George Floyd.

In neighboring Saint Paul, more than a hundred students took their grievances over police brutality to the capitol, where lawmakers inside the fenced-in statehouse could be seen peeking out through the curtains to look at protesters outside.

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The high school walkouts against racial injustice and police brutality took place as a Minneapolis court was hearing closing arguments in the Derek Chauvin murder trial. The city was bracing for the verdict, with hundreds of national guard soldiers deployed.

The student protests were organized on Instagram by Minnesota Teen Activists, a local group founded after the George Floyd protests last summer. Students from at least 110 schools across Minnesota had planned protests to honor Daunte Wright on Monday, the group said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... orge-floyd

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Re: Riots in the USA

Postby Redman » April 20th, 2021, 9:34 am

Ben_spanna wrote:Regardless of the verdict i feel those worthless blm fakers going to create chaos again!


Have to keep the narrative focussed on the emotions and not the facts.The facts do not bear up the noise. And the solutions are not exciting news.
' They right cuz they feel offended and are loud'

You see the same crap here.

You would swear there is a graduate level course on victimhood.

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