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Bacchanal in Guyana's Election Results!

Postby bluefete » March 5th, 2020, 9:53 pm

That oil money real chaining up both sides. Looks like Granger's party tried to t'ief the elections by stuffing votes in Region 4. International observers are not happy.


Breaking News!!! US, UK, Commonwealth, Canada, EU, says Region 4 results not credible
Mar 05, 2020


By Mikaila Prince

The Region Four results declared yesterday lack credibility and verification. This was the strong statement put forward by international observer groups such as the Carter Centre, Commonwealth Observer Group (COG) and the Heads of Missions of the United States of America, Britain, Canada and the European Union Delegation to Guyana.

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Chairman of the Carter Centre, Jason Carter

Chaos erupted yesterday after the Returning Officer (RO) for Region Four, Clairmont Mingo, allegedly declared that the APNU+AFC coalition had won Region Four by an enormous margin and essentially had triumphed in the March 2 General and Regional Elections.

However, the international observer groups, foreign Heads of Missions and contesting parties were quick to question the credibility of the results after they highlighted that the final results were not verified using the process of the Statement of Polls.

Head of the Carter Centre, Jason Carter, said to the press that transparency ceased at the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) Command Office and the procedures for the verification of the results could not have been identified.

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Chairman of the COG, Owen Arthur

Carter stated that, “Nobody knows if these results are verified or not. There is still an opportunity for this to be transparent and for the elections to gain credibility and we urge all, including GECOM, to abide by the provisions that are available for the verification of the results.”

He added that both of the major parties claimed victory, but they should want to do so in a credible way. “We have not had transparency and we maintain that the Region Four results lack credibility,” the Carter Centre Head maintained.

Further to this, Carter said that these sentiments were communicated to GECOM Head, Justice (retired) Claudette Singh. In addition to this, the official said he is not of the view that the observers are there to babysit the process, but they do see a lack of credibility, and as observers, they will make their findings known at all times.
Carter said that he and his officials will remain in Guyana to oversee the entire process.

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From left: British High Commissioner, H.E. Greg Quinn, U.S. Ambassador, H.E. Sarah-Ann Lynch and EU Ambassador, H.E. Fernando Ponz Canto

As for the Commonwealth Observer Group (COG), another one of the international missions who monitored Guyana’s General and Regional Elections, its members shared the concerns of the Carter Centre.

In a statement to the press last night, the COG disclosed that it had a consistent presence at the Office of the Returning Officer in Region Four. Owen Arthur, the Former Prime Minister Barbados and Head of the Observer Group, was keen to note that he personally visited the office to ensure that there was transparency in the process.

“It is the clear view of the Group that the tabulation of the final election results has not yet been completed and verified according to the established procedures and relevant legal and statutory provisions.”

Arthur further added that, “We strongly urge the Guyana Elections Commission and all parties involved to ensure the process properly follows the legal steps dictated by the laws of Guyana, and is in line with the country’s international commitments.”

With regard to the international heads of missions – British High Commissioner, Greg Quinn; Canadian High Commissioner, Lilian Chatterjee; Ambassador of the European Union, Fernando Ponz Canto; and Ambassador of the United States of America, Sarah-Ann Lynch -they observed GECOM’s proceedings at the Region Four Office and noted that in fact, the full count was not completed.

The ABC-EU missions emphatically stated that, “We question the credibility of the Region Four results published by GECOM today.”

They went on to say that, “We urge the Guyana Elections Commission, and all relevant actors, to expeditiously complete the tabulation on the basis of the statement of polls.”

All of the parties have called on Guyanese to remain calm and patient, and for all leaders to exercise responsibility and restraint.

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2020 ... -credible/

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Re: Bacchanal in Guyana's Election Results!

Postby zoom rader » March 5th, 2020, 10:02 pm

They learning well from PNM

Granger is a crook just like Rowlee

Awaits PNM to condem Guyanas black goverment

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Postby De Dragon » March 5th, 2020, 10:20 pm

zoom rader wrote:They learning well from PNM

Granger is a crook just like Rowlee

Awaits PNM to condem Guyanas black goverment

JUHN Scarfy tell Granger to use an EmailGate type strategy, but Guyanese too well schooled in skulduggery, so Granger try an old school ballot box stuffing, but got caught.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » March 5th, 2020, 11:01 pm

Guyana is stuck in political deadlock after both main parties declared victory in the country's election.

President David Granger urged his supporters to be "patient" while waiting for election officials to reveal the results of the 2 March vote.

Mr Granger was defending a narrow parliamentary majority against Irfaan Ali of the opposition PPP party.

Former president Bharrat Jagdeo, also of the PPP, has accused the election authority of committing fraud.

Full election results are not expected until Friday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51763283

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Postby The_Honourable » March 5th, 2020, 11:45 pm

The Carter Center says it is deeply concerned about the events that took place today at the Office of the Returning Officer for Region 4 and the decision to announce results that had not been verified. "The tabulation process that had been taking place in Region 4 was circumvented, critically undermining transparency and preventing international observers and political parties from observing tabulation. As a result, the election results released today for Region 4 are not credible."


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Postby RedVEVO » March 6th, 2020, 5:48 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Guyana is stuck in political deadlock after both main parties declared victory in the country's election.

President David Granger urged his supporters to be "patient" while waiting for election officials to reveal the results of the 2 March vote.

Mr Granger was defending a narrow parliamentary majority against Irfaan Ali of the opposition PPP party.

Former president Bharrat Jagdeo, also of the PPP, has accused the election authority of committing fraud.

Full election results are not expected until Friday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51763283


There is NO DEADLOCK ..

They are still counting the votes .

Granger will win. PPP have no chance.

And Rowlee will be PM of Ghana

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Postby zoom rader » March 6th, 2020, 7:01 am

The_Honourable wrote:The Carter Center says it is deeply concerned about the events that took place today at the Office of the Returning Officer for Region 4 and the decision to announce results that had not been verified. "The tabulation process that had been taking place in Region 4 was circumvented, critically undermining transparency and preventing international observers and political parties from observing tabulation. As a result, the election results released today for Region 4 are not credible."




Carter Center should be more concerned about Rowlee manipulation and lies told for our upcoming elections

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Postby hydroep » March 6th, 2020, 7:31 am

Certain people salivating at the prospect of getting their hands on all that oil money and will do anything to get it.

As for all dem foreigners who suddenly get so vocal — they probably have a vested interest in the outcome otherwise they wasn't saying boo...:|

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Postby zoom rader » March 6th, 2020, 7:41 am

hydroep wrote:Certain people salivating at the prospect of getting their hands on all that oil money and will do anything to get it.

As for all dem foreigners who suddenly get so vocal — they probably have a vested interest in the outcome otherwise they wasn't saying boo...:|



Where were these certain people for Trinidad during PNM reign of terror

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Postby Dizzy28 » March 6th, 2020, 9:10 am

Trinidad's electioneering is still based on ethnic lines however we are nothing like Guyana.
It could be we are more laid back, maybe slightly less corrupt but our politicians on both sides have never devolved into anything like the Guyanese. Give me Williams and all his flaws over Burnham any day.

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Postby zoom rader » March 6th, 2020, 9:15 am

Dizzy28 wrote:Trinidad's electioneering is still based on ethnic lines however we are nothing like Guyana.
It could be we are more laid back, maybe slightly less corrupt but our politicians on both sides have never devolved into anything like the Guyanese. Give me Williams and all his flaws over Burnham any day.
Yeah but the PNM supports Guyana black goverment and the former Opressor.

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Postby Skanky » March 6th, 2020, 9:18 am

Let's not forget this has implications for Trinidad as well with regard to Petrotrin.
If Granger loses, whatever backdoor deal them and the PNM have for Heritage could be in jeopardy.
PNM not going to just steal Petrotrin without some written billion dollar contract in place.
PNM will do what they can to support Granger.
Roget must be sheiting himself with fear.

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Postby The_Honourable » March 6th, 2020, 9:55 am

Caricom was quiet for a while but they finally join with the others

https://caricom.org/statement-by-the-ca ... elections/

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Postby Dizzy28 » March 6th, 2020, 9:59 am

That is leading to an article on Haiti
The_Honourable wrote:Caricom was quiet for a while but they finally join with the others

https://caricom.org/statement-by-the-ca ... elections/

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Postby K74T » March 6th, 2020, 10:09 am

Dizzy28 wrote:That is leading to an article on Haiti
The_Honourable wrote:Caricom was quiet for a while but they finally join with the others

https://caricom.org/statement-by-the-ca ... elections/


STATEMENT BY THE CARIBBEAN COMMUNITY ON THE TABULATION PROCESS OF THE GUYANA ELECTIONS

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The Caribbean Community is concerned about the allegations being made about the Guyana elections, with respect to the tabulation of results based on the Statements of Polls (SOPs) in Region 4.


The Community calls on the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) to ensure that all legal and procedural processes are faithfully complied with in respect of the vote count and the declaration of results to ensure that the outcome of the polls expresses the will of the people of Guyana. We call on all parties and Guyanese to remain calm while these issues are resolved.

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Postby sMASH » March 6th, 2020, 10:09 am

AWLL indian is UNC - lovell francis 2020

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Postby zoom rader » March 6th, 2020, 10:40 am

The_Honourable wrote:Caricom was quiet for a while but they finally join with the others

https://caricom.org/statement-by-the-ca ... elections/
It's only under international pressure that they now speaking up. Caricom is pro black and prefer black goverments

They was not pleased when a perceived Indo goverment ran Trinidad

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Postby The_Honourable » March 6th, 2020, 11:25 am

Across pnm land, they pushing the narrative that the international observers interfering with the elections and want the indo-guyanese party to win with geo-political help so they can thief out the oil while afro-guyanese suck salt. They even saying UNC members across there supporting Bharatt Jagdeo and the PPP.

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Postby zoom rader » March 6th, 2020, 11:34 am

The_Honourable wrote:Across pnm land, they pushing the narrative that the international observers interfering with the elections and want the indo-guyanese party to win with geo-political help so they can thief out the oil while afro-guyanese suck salt. They even saying UNC members across there supporting Bharatt Jagdeo and the PPP.

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That is nuttimg new, black caricom folk just dont want a perceived Indo goverment running a country efficiently.

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Postby toyolink » March 6th, 2020, 11:36 am

Guyana has always been a resource filled large country with fabulous prospects.
Historically, the issues of racial tension and mistrust always seems to get in the way of development.
Hell, what is happening today is just sad and absolutely silly in light of so many decades of economic suffering.

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Re: Bacchanal in Guyana's Election Results!

Postby Trinispougla » March 6th, 2020, 2:48 pm

zoom rader wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Across pnm land, they pushing the narrative that the international observers interfering with the elections and want the indo-guyanese party to win with geo-political help so they can thief out the oil while afro-guyanese suck salt. They even saying UNC members across there supporting Bharatt Jagdeo and the PPP.

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That is nuttimg new, black caricom folk just dont want a perceived Indo goverment running a country efficiently.

zoom PPPC was running the country from the early 90s, when Cheddi finally got his due and was elected president, till 2015. And the country is probably the most underdeveloped country in the western hemisphere after haiti. GT's problems started when jaggan and burnham fell out over a budget of nationalization in 1961. The country was literally born with the violence of the B.G riots/ war. It doh matter who come in office, trinidadian businesses will benefit. In fact, quite a few have established a presence there in addition to their local presence. Nobody benefits from a stalemate man...geez

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Postby Trinispougla » March 6th, 2020, 2:48 pm

zoom rader wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Across pnm land, they pushing the narrative that the international observers interfering with the elections and want the indo-guyanese party to win with geo-political help so they can thief out the oil while afro-guyanese suck salt. They even saying UNC members across there supporting Bharatt Jagdeo and the PPP.

Trinis in everything.
That is nuttimg new, black caricom folk just dont want a perceived Indo goverment running a country efficiently.

zoom PPPC was running the country from the early 90s, when Cheddi finally got his due and was elected president, till 2015. And the country is probably the most underdeveloped country in the western hemisphere after haiti. GT's problems started when jaggan and burnham fell out over a budget of nationalization in 1961. The country was literally born with the violence of the B.G riots/ war. It doh matter who come in office, trinidadian businesses will benefit. In fact, quite a few have established a presence there in addition to their local presence. Nobody benefits from a stalemate man...geez

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Postby The_Honourable » March 6th, 2020, 2:48 pm

Elections being rigged

When all of the bewildering events of yesterday at the office of the Region Four Returning Officer are taken into account, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that Gecom and its staffers are working in the interest of APNU+AFC and rigging the 2020 general elections right before our eyes.

The consequences of rigged elections on this country are too severe to even consider in detail in these columns today. It suffices to say that they would be punitive and range from sanctions by Western countries to expulsion from the Commonwealth. There would also be sharp repercussions for APNU+AFC both without and within Guyana were it to be re-installed in office on the basis of a rigged election.

Gecom Chair Justice (Rtd) Claudette Singh and Chief Election Officer Keith Lowenfield will be recorded in the annals of electoral infamy in this country were they to allow the current process to lead to a certification of the final results. There is still time for them to retrieve the situation and this requires them to act in the interest of the country and its people.

A crisis point was reached when it was time to verify the results of Region Four on Tuesday. By this point, the regional results of the other nine regions had been declared and it showed a certain pattern in terms of who was winning the general election. Then, the obstructions began to be put in place. The issue was not the manual counting at the place of poll, but the verifications prior to tabulations in the Office of the Returning Officer at High and Hadfield Streets, Georgetown. And it was here, in echoes of less impartial and meticulous times, that Returning Officer Clairmont Mingo fell sick on Wednesday, and his place was filled in the interim by a deputy who utilised a spreadsheet for the verification of results.

According to the law, results are verified according to the Statements of Poll, and spreadsheets have no standing. As it was, this particular spreadsheet which had the tally of all the votes cast in Region Four, was not in tandem with the SoPs. PPP/C General Secretary Bharrat Jagdeo told the media that after they started to call out the numbers from the spreadsheet, APNU+AFC had at least 100 more votes than were on the SoPs. Observers and agents of political parties objected, and so Chief Election Officer Lowenfield was called. He took random samples and found what he subsequently referred to as “errors” in six of eight completed statements, although he made no mention of a spreadsheet.

A Gecom meeting was convened in the light of this, and agreement was reached that verification would be done using SoPs, and if discrepancies were then found, Mr Lowenfield’s copies would be used to verify the count.

All this delayed the process by four hours, but if the electorate thought that everything could now proceed unhindered, they were mistaken. Around nine o’clock Gecom staff complained that they were exhausted, and so operations were suspended again for a time. As if that were not enough, when the verification process resumed, another uncanny incident stalled the work yet again, the fifth occasion on which there had been an interruption. This time, the Gecom data entry clerk, having gone through a few SoPs, announced that he was tired. Presidential Candidate Lenox Shuman told the media that around 3.45 am party agents discovered there was a vast difference between what they had in their possession and what was projected on screen. He said that when they stopped, they had been looking at the SoPs from the East Bank, but when the data appeared on screen it showed Georgetown data which they had not examined yet.

Not just Mr Lowenfield, but also the police were summoned when it was found that the ‘tired’ data entry clerk was alleged to have taken a flash drive containing verification data, which caused party representatives to intervene. The police questioned the clerk at some length about the laptop in his possession as well as the flash drive. The Gecom CEO for his part decided that all documents would now be printed and presented to the party representatives in order to obviate any further concerns about data which might have been changed.

Furthermore, PPP/C Presidential Candidate Irfaan Ali told reporters that Mr Lowenfield had given his commitment that contingency staff would be put in place so that the staffing difficulties of the day before would not be repeated. The CEO himself assured reporters that he was committed to ensuring the process was completed.

Where matters relating to the introduction of a spreadsheet and the flash-drive are concerned, there has to be concern that these were an attempt at some level to tamper with results. One had hoped, given the conduct of the 2015 poll and the commendable way in which voting proceeded on election day this time, that Guyana might have finally outgrown its sordid electoral past. But the Region Four problems resuscitated fears and they were brought roaring back to life when the previously unwell Mr Mingo was mysteriously able to summon forth the energy to shout out the Region Four results amid the din created by supporters of the PPP/C and other parties who believed that mischief was afoot. Why did he not permit the full verification of Region Four results? The verification of the Region Four SoPs must be completed fortwith.

All of the observer groups and the missions of the US, UK, Canada and the EU have now said that the results process is incomplete and that the tabulation process should resume. The US, UK, EU and the Canadian envoys have also pointedly said that the Region Four results are not credible as verification has not been completed.

The credibility and integrity of Justice Singh and Mr Lowenfield are now on the line and the public needs to hear clearly from them today on the way ahead.

Source: https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/03/06 ... ng-rigged/

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Postby Trinispougla » March 6th, 2020, 2:55 pm

toyolink wrote:Guyana has always been a resource filled large country with fabulous prospects.
Historically, the issues of racial tension and mistrust always seems to get in the way of development.
Hell, what is happening today is just sad and absolutely silly in light of so many decades of economic suffering.


took the words right out of my mouth. but then again, remember guyanese politics so toxic that its a kind of winner takes the spoils attitude. and when you add racial tension to that, that means an entire community going to feel they're being slighted for five years. and in this year's case, the spoils are significant

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Postby Redress10 » March 6th, 2020, 3:41 pm

Funny how men like ZR talking about election rigging but silent to the fact that many opposition officials in Guyana right now.

Every UNC politician have something to say about elections in Guyana you would swear we have vested interest in the outcome there.

The only interest TT should have there is how much we cud exploit to our benefit.

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Postby MaxPower » March 6th, 2020, 3:43 pm

The white man always wins in the end.

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Postby Redress10 » March 6th, 2020, 4:57 pm

Thing is that country so poor that they need every last cent for basic infrastructure they can't afford to be corrupt or wasteful.

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Re: Bacchanal in Guyana's Election Results!

Postby Snyper » March 6th, 2020, 5:19 pm

Well not with a Burnham type person again they won't prosper only greed

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Postby zoom rader » March 6th, 2020, 6:16 pm

Redress10 wrote:Thing is that country so poor that they need every last cent for basic infrastructure they can't afford to be corrupt or wasteful.
You don't even have a passport much less travel to Guyana.

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