Moderator: 3ne2nr Mods
neilsingh100 wrote:They could have implemented the lock down two weeks and I believe the election could have still go on and result would have been more or less the same.pugboy wrote:“ Secondly, we have a government that for the last 3 weeks has been extremely complacent in allowing election activities to go on, playing down the severity of the outbreak. Remember "it's not raging, no community spread, we have it under control, we still Oxford number 1"
This doh care about boasting and ting
pugboy wrote:Most of the states have drive up testing and they are for any and everybody.
Lot of the persons do go for tests on their own without symptoms.Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
goalpost wrote:Quick question:
They are classifying cases as pending epidemiological and recent cases.
Then there are those who were tested at a private lab.
Shouldn't those be also classified as either pending or recent?
Or am I missing something?
Highlighting this post from July 30th. We had 7 new cases on that day and the total increased to 164. 355 cases in 17 days since. The PM had a press conference on July 31st and we were speculating about another lockdown. We did nothing for 2 weeks and we now suffering the consequences.maj. tom wrote:7 new cases in 1 day?!
Yeah we hadda lockdown. Or allyuh prefer when the death toll start again instead?
Country_Bookie wrote:Highlighting this post from July 30th. We had 7 new cases on that day and the total increased to 164. 355 cases in 17 days since. The PM had a press conference on July 31st and we were speculating about another lockdown. We did nothing for 2 weeks and we now suffering the consequences.maj. tom wrote:7 new cases in 1 day?!
Yeah we hadda lockdown. Or allyuh prefer when the death toll start again instead?
For those who'll say hindsight is 2020 , it's not in this case when we had so many examples around the world of countries getting a spike after opening up.
I fully agree with the decision to lockdown, but it should have been done 2 weeks ago.
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
Please try to understand that 50-70% of Covid cases are mild. Many of these people are being turned away right now which is rediculous because if they don't know they're positive they can be spreading it to persons who will inturn infect other persons. All unknown and out of sight.
Without a fever or other severe symptoms you will be denied testing right now in T&T. In fact, I shall test this tmr as my brother has some mild symptoms and I'll be taking him for a test tomorrow. He has no fever, but has a minor cough, is feeling very fatigued and has mild headaches.
Country_Bookie wrote:Highlighting this post from July 30th. We had 7 new cases on that day and the total increased to 164. 355 cases in 17 days since. The PM had a press conference on July 31st and we were speculating about another lockdown. We did nothing for 2 weeks and we now suffering the consequences.maj. tom wrote:7 new cases in 1 day?!
Yeah we hadda lockdown. Or allyuh prefer when the death toll start again instead?
For those who'll say hindsight is 2020 , it's not in this case when we had so many examples around the world of countries getting a spike after opening up.
I fully agree with the decision to lockdown, but it should have been done 2 weeks ago.
Redress10 wrote:
Again. You are not understanding that that is meaningless. A person who is positive for covid in the states after "drive up" testing faces no further mandatory action by the state. There is no state quarantine or treatment. The test result is just a number for surveillanc3 purposes and has nothing to do with treatment.
Here each positive case is quarantined by the state and treated. People are not testing positive and being sent home with a bottle of cough syrup.
So in order to limit wastage and to get an accurate test reading you begin testing based on symptoms.
Why is thay so difficult for some of you all to understand?
Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
Please try to understand that 50-70% of Covid cases are mild. Many of these people are being turned away right now which is rediculous because if they don't know they're positive they can be spreading it to persons who will inturn infect other persons. All unknown and out of sight.
Without a fever or other severe symptoms you will be denied testing right now in T&T. In fact, I shall test this tmr as my brother has some mild symptoms and I'll be taking him for a test tomorrow. He has no fever, but has a minor cough, is feeling very fatigued and has mild headaches.
Not suppose to be spreading it, that's why you have the precautions to take and protect others.
Why would I give you a test because you have a cough and no fever? In the event that the test turns out negative, what does that tests tell us? Absolutely nothing.
So you just waste a test and you have no new information to go along with and if the person is still ill then you will need to test again. Do we continue to test until that person has a negative tests to prove they have covid?
What is the cost of using all of these resources on just one person. Multiply this scenario by hundreds and possibly thousands of suspect cases. Think about the false sense of security given to thousands of these cases from a false negative.
pugboy wrote:Are you aware that nurses tested positive in mt hope ?
And subesequently some doctors who worked there went and got tested out of their own precaution and curiosity and are now positive with no symptoms.
Imagine if those doctors continued to work.......
You logic is a bit narrow and contrary to everybody except terry’s.Redress10 wrote:
Again. You are not understanding that that is meaningless. A person who is positive for covid in the states after "drive up" testing faces no further mandatory action by the state. There is no state quarantine or treatment. The test result is just a number for surveillanc3 purposes and has nothing to do with treatment.
Here each positive case is quarantined by the state and treated. People are not testing positive and being sent home with a bottle of cough syrup.
So in order to limit wastage and to get an accurate test reading you begin testing based on symptoms.
Why is thay so difficult for some of you all to understand?
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress you literally put the answer as to why testing the nonvulnerable in your own post.
If me and my family are mild, but we don't know we have Covid. The likelihood of spreading it to our co-workers and close family (assuming the live together) is very very high. I can't stay aware from work everytime I get a sore throat or feel a slight headache. If I test positive for Covid I can take serious precautions.
I'll say this again, in many many offices workers are not wearing masks indoors unless they interface with the public.
In Trinidad grandparents are often with grandkids and their own adult children. Mask wearing and other hygienic measures aren't full proof. Spend enough time with someone and they will get it.
bluefete wrote:Somebody in here was hinting before about something down the islands.
Covid 19 now RAGING among the 1% due to some party 200 of them attended down the islands.
Some real big 1% names ALLEGEDLY have it and doing testing at private lab at a cost of about $2,500.00 per person.
Tuner CSI's please get to work.
Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
Please try to understand that 50-70% of Covid cases are mild. Many of these people are being turned away right now which is rediculous because if they don't know they're positive they can be spreading it to persons who will inturn infect other persons. All unknown and out of sight.
Without a fever or other severe symptoms you will be denied testing right now in T&T. In fact, I shall test this tmr as my brother has some mild symptoms and I'll be taking him for a test tomorrow. He has no fever, but has a minor cough, is feeling very fatigued and has mild headaches.
Not suppose to be spreading it, that's why you have the precautions to take and protect others.
Why would I give you a test because you have a cough and no fever? In the event that the test turns out negative, what does that tests tell us? Absolutely nothing.
So you just waste a test and you have no new information to go along with and if the person is still ill then you will need to test again. Do we continue to test until that person has a negative tests to prove they have covid?
What is the cost of using all of these resources on just one person. Multiply this scenario by hundreds and possibly thousands of suspect cases. Think about the false sense of security given to thousands of these cases from a false negative.
What is wrong with you? A negative test tells you that you're not at risk of spreading it around for the next 2 to 3 weeks. A positive test which is very likely right now if you have a cough and no fever because it's quite prevalent.
You're literally going against what scientists all over the world are saying, you can't control this thing unless you have wide access to testing. Otherwise you'll continue to have growth because people with Covid don't know they have Covid.
Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
Please try to understand that 50-70% of Covid cases are mild. Many of these people are being turned away right now which is rediculous because if they don't know they're positive they can be spreading it to persons who will inturn infect other persons. All unknown and out of sight.
Without a fever or other severe symptoms you will be denied testing right now in T&T. In fact, I shall test this tmr as my brother has some mild symptoms and I'll be taking him for a test tomorrow. He has no fever, but has a minor cough, is feeling very fatigued and has mild headaches.
Not suppose to be spreading it, that's why you have the precautions to take and protect others.
Why would I give you a test because you have a cough and no fever? In the event that the test turns out negative, what does that tests tell us? Absolutely nothing.
So you just waste a test and you have no new information to go along with and if the person is still ill then you will need to test again. Do we continue to test until that person has a negative tests to prove they have covid?
What is the cost of using all of these resources on just one person. Multiply this scenario by hundreds and possibly thousands of suspect cases. Think about the false sense of security given to thousands of these cases from a false negative.
bluefete wrote:Somebody in here was hinting before about something down the islands.
Covid 19 now RAGING among the 1% due to some party 200 of them attended down the islands.
Some real big 1% names ALLEGEDLY have it and doing testing at private lab at a cost of about $2,500.00 per person.
Tuner CSI's please get to work.
pugboy wrote:That info not correct though, only staml private lab is authorized and their price is $1650 or something like that.bluefete wrote:Somebody in here was hinting before about something down the islands.
Covid 19 now RAGING among the 1% due to some party 200 of them attended down the islands.
Some real big 1% names ALLEGEDLY have it and doing testing at private lab at a cost of about $2,500.00 per person.
Tuner CSI's please get to work.
adnj wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
Please try to understand that 50-70% of Covid cases are mild. Many of these people are being turned away right now which is rediculous because if they don't know they're positive they can be spreading it to persons who will inturn infect other persons. All unknown and out of sight.
Without a fever or other severe symptoms you will be denied testing right now in T&T. In fact, I shall test this tmr as my brother has some mild symptoms and I'll be taking him for a test tomorrow. He has no fever, but has a minor cough, is feeling very fatigued and has mild headaches.
Not suppose to be spreading it, that's why you have the precautions to take and protect others.
Why would I give you a test because you have a cough and no fever? In the event that the test turns out negative, what does that tests tell us? Absolutely nothing.
So you just waste a test and you have no new information to go along with and if the person is still ill then you will need to test again. Do we continue to test until that person has a negative tests to prove they have covid?
What is the cost of using all of these resources on just one person. Multiply this scenario by hundreds and possibly thousands of suspect cases. Think about the false sense of security given to thousands of these cases from a false negative.
You are completely in error. You cannot stop an infected person from viral spreading unless they are in quarantine. You cannot know who requires quarantine unless they are tested.
Social distancing and masks are mitigating actions -- not preventative action.
If your position is that TTO does not have the necessary resources with 20,000 test kits available, that's not the same.
Your position may be better explained by stating:
Trinidad and Tobago lacks the epidemiological testing facilities and financial resources to test 0.25% of the population daily (3,500 tests per day) as recommended by the WHO and US CDC for infection prevalence assessment.
In lieu of these methods, Trinidad and Tobago seeks to identify those individuals that are most likely infected and limit the physical interaction of the remainder of the population until such time that a vaccine is widely available.
adnj wrote:You are completely in error. You cannot stop an infected person from viral spreading unless they are in quarantine. You cannot know who requires quarantine unless they are tested.
Social distancing and masks are mitigating actions -- not preventative action.
If your position is that TTO does not have the necessary resources with 20,000 test kits available, that's not the same.
Your position may be better explained by stating:
Trinidad and Tobago lacks the epidemiological testing facilities and financial resources to test 0.25% of the population daily (3,500 tests per day) as recommended by the WHO and US CDC for infection prevalence assessment.
In lieu of these methods, Trinidad and Tobago seeks to identify those individuals that are most likely infected and limit the physical interaction of the remainder of the population until such time that a vaccine is widely available.
Redress10 wrote:Imagine taking a covid test that come back negative and on your way back home you get infected and walking around feeling happy because you "don't have covid".
Dangerous
Anyone spending 2600tt on a covid test stupid and alarmist. Might as well send somebody to buy 2600tt in grocery, pharmaceuticals and isolate yaself for 2 weeks instead.
Redress10 wrote:adnj wrote:Redress10 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Redress10 wrote:Low testing is meaningless.
Once you are testing people with symptoms or people with exposure history or risks then those tests will be morw accurate.
You can't waste tests just testing random people when you are aiming to detect and treat. This is not about surveillance. This is about detecting and removing. To narrow it down you have to test based on symptoms.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever woke up in the morning, felt amazing and went by the doctor for a test because you suspect that you are ill?
I am guessing no.
Please try to understand that 50-70% of Covid cases are mild. Many of these people are being turned away right now which is rediculous because if they don't know they're positive they can be spreading it to persons who will inturn infect other persons. All unknown and out of sight.
Without a fever or other severe symptoms you will be denied testing right now in T&T. In fact, I shall test this tmr as my brother has some mild symptoms and I'll be taking him for a test tomorrow. He has no fever, but has a minor cough, is feeling very fatigued and has mild headaches.
Not suppose to be spreading it, that's why you have the precautions to take and protect others.
Why would I give you a test because you have a cough and no fever? In the event that the test turns out negative, what does that tests tell us? Absolutely nothing.
So you just waste a test and you have no new information to go along with and if the person is still ill then you will need to test again. Do we continue to test until that person has a negative tests to prove they have covid?
What is the cost of using all of these resources on just one person. Multiply this scenario by hundreds and possibly thousands of suspect cases. Think about the false sense of security given to thousands of these cases from a false negative.
You are completely in error. You cannot stop an infected person from viral spreading unless they are in quarantine. You cannot know who requires quarantine unless they are tested.
Social distancing and masks are mitigating actions -- not preventative action.
If your position is that TTO does not have the necessary resources with 20,000 test kits available, that's not the same.
Your position may be better explained by stating:
Trinidad and Tobago lacks the epidemiological testing facilities and financial resources to test 0.25% of the population daily (3,500 tests per day) as recommended by the WHO and US CDC for infection prevalence assessment.
In lieu of these methods, Trinidad and Tobago seeks to identify those individuals that are most likely infected and limit the physical interaction of the remainder of the population until such time that a vaccine is widely available.
So why isn't state quarantine an international policy then. Why is it a covid positive test in the developed nations doesn't result in state quarantined and persons are just sent home and left to their own devices?
Return to “Ole talk and more Ole talk”
Users browsing this forum: wx_klb and 147 guests