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Postby redmanjp » September 21st, 2020, 5:12 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Study suggests dengue may provide some immunity against COVID-19

(Reuters) - A new study that analyzed the coronavirus outbreak in Brazil has found a link between the spread of the virus and past outbreaks of dengue fever that suggests exposure to the mosquito-transmitted illness may provide some level of immunity against COVID-19.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN26C27E


i wonder if i had it 23 years ago if i would still have antibodies? and therefore have some immunity to covid :?:

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Postby pugboy » September 21st, 2020, 6:08 pm

what about chikv ? it is a close relative of dengue

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Postby MaxPower » September 21st, 2020, 6:11 pm

Borders opening 18th October?

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Postby paid_influencer » September 21st, 2020, 6:34 pm

good numbers today. downward trend

hoping this isn't because they ran out of reagent or somesuch

edit: hrm. 45 positives out of 145 tests. 33% positive, maybe not so good

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Postby Dohplaydat » September 21st, 2020, 7:01 pm

paid_influencer wrote:good numbers today. downward trend

hoping this isn't because they ran out of reagent or somesuch

edit: hrm. 45 positives out of 145 tests. 33% positive, maybe not so good


usually always low on a Monday world wide too

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Postby redmanjp » September 21st, 2020, 7:48 pm

Minister say there is no longer a backlog in testing, just a backlog in reporting

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Postby pugboy » September 21st, 2020, 7:52 pm

same end result tho

redmanjp wrote:Minister say there is no longer a backlog in testing, just a backlog in reporting

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Postby redmanjp » September 21st, 2020, 7:59 pm

death365 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/21/cdc-covid-aerosols-airborne-guidelines/

For months, scientists and public health experts have warned of mounting evidence that the novel coronavirus is airborne, transmitted through tiny droplets called aerosols that linger in the air much longer than the larger globs that come from coughing or sneezing.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention agrees. The CDC recently changed its official guidance to note that aerosols are “thought to be the main way the virus spreads” and to warn that poorly ventilated indoor spaces are particularly dangerous.
“There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others, and travel distances beyond 6 feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants, or in fitness classes),” the agency stated. “In general, indoor environments without good ventilation increase this risk.”

While the CDC has not called for any new action to address the airborne threat of a virus that has now killed nearly 200,000 Americans, experts said the change should help to shift policy and public behavior.

“It’s a major change,” Jose-Luis Jimenez, a chemistry professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder who studies how aerosols spread the virus, told The Washington Post. “This is a good thing, if we can reduce transmission because more people understand how it is spreading and know what to do to stop it.”
The CDC shifted its guidelines on Friday, but the change was not widely noticed until a CNN report on Sunday. Where the agency previously warned that the virus mostly spreads through large drops encountered at close range, it now cites “small particles, such as those in aerosols,” as the most common vector.
“These particles can be inhaled into the nose, mouth, airways, and lungs and cause infection,” the guidance says. “This is thought to be the main way the virus spreads.”

Since the pandemic began, arguments have raged over how the virus travels — and how to best halt it. At first, widespread fear of contaminated surfaces led some to bleach their groceries and mail. But the CDC soon concluded that person-to-person transmission was a much more pressing threat. Instead, the agency focused its guidance on avoiding the larger droplets hacked up by sneezes and coughs, which are thought to be mostly limited to a six-foot radius.

But researchers long suspected that the virus could travel much farther, especially indoors and in places where people talk loudly or sing. Infamously, one infected person in March unknowingly passed the coronavirus to 52 others at a choir practice in Washington state. Similar indoor “superspreader” events added weight to the idea of an airborne threat.
The World Health Organization recognized the threat of aerosols in July, after hundreds of scientists urged the international body to address airborne spread. It’s not clear why the CDC finally followed; Jimenez said high-ranking CDC officials were still arguing publicly against airborne transmission as a major vector as recently as late August.

“Evidence has been accumulating for some time. Those of us who have been studying this were frustrated that the change was slow, but it finally came,” Jimenez said.
While the CDC didn’t make any major changes in its guidance on how to prevent the spread of the virus, some scientists suggested it should drive a major rethink of public policy — particularly at a time when students in many areas are returning to indoor classrooms.

“We have been saying 'wear a mask’ and ‘6 feet apart’ for months,” tweeted Abraar Karan, a physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston and Harvard Medical School. “Cloth masks are not designed to block aerosols. And 6 feet apart may be insufficient, esp indoors w/ poor ventilation.”

The change should drive people to adopt concrete solutions to slowing airborne transmission, Jimenez said, such as wearing more tightly fitting masks, improving ventilation and keeping as much distance as possible from others when indoors.

But the CDC’s shift can also help experts and lawmakers better communicate why those measures are needed.

“If we tell people rules they don’t understand, it doesn’t work. We need to tell people why these rules work. Then they can understand, and many more will comply,” Jimenez said.



backpedal again

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/21/health/cdc-reverts-airborne-transmission-guidance/index.html

CDC abruptly removes guidance about airborne coronavirus transmission, says update 'was posted in error'
By Jamie Gumbrecht, Jen Christensen, Elizabeth Cohen and Naomi Thomas, CNN

Updated 2116 GMT (0516 HKT) September 21, 2020

CNN)The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday abruptly reverted to its previous guidance about how coronavirus is transmitted, removing language about airborne transmission it had posted just days earlier.

"A draft version of proposed changes to these recommendations was posted in error to the agency's official website. CDC is currently updating its recommendations regarding airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19). Once this process has been completed, the update language will be posted," Jason McDonald, a CDC spokesman, said in a response emailed to CNN.
The guidance pertained to the way the novel coronavirus is spread. While it's known it can spread through droplets among people standing less than 6 feet apart, research has continued to explore how the virus suspends in aerosolized particles in the air and transmitted to people more than 6 feet away.
The CDC transmission guidance acknowledging airborne transmission had been quietly posted on Friday, according to the agency's website. CNN was first to report the change on Sunday. The CDC responded to CNN just before noon on Monday to say it was reverting to the previous guidance.

A federal official familiar with the situation said there was no political pressure involved in the change.
"This was totally the CDC's doing," the official said. "It was posted by mistake. It wasn't ready to be posted."
The official said the guideline change was published without being thoroughly reviewed by CDC experts.
"Somebody hit the button and shouldn't have," the official said.
The agency tried to further clarify what it meant by aerosol transmission, the official said. "It can occur, but it's not the way the virus is primarily being transmitted," the official said. But in the effort to say that, it was written in such a way "that it's being understood to mean it's more transmissible than we thought, which is not the case."
The official added that the guidance is "getting revised," but didn't say when the revision would be posted to the CDC's website.
How CDC's guidance changed
Despite several studies that have shown the novel coronavirus can spread through small particles in the air, the CDC page now says that Covid-19 is thought to spread mainly between people in close contact -- about 6 feet -- and "through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks." This is the same language the agency posted months ago.
In language posted Friday and now removed, CDC said Covid-19 most commonly spread between people who are in close contact with one another, and went on to say it's known to spread "through respiratory droplets or small particles, such as those in aerosols, produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, sings, talks or breathes."

These particles can cause infection when "inhaled into the nose, mouth, airways, and lungs," the agency said. "This is thought to be the main way the virus spreads."
"There is growing evidence that droplets and airborne particles can remain suspended in the air and be breathed in by others, and travel distances beyond 6 feet (for example, during choir practice, in restaurants, or in fitness classes)," the page said in the Friday update, which has since been removed. "In general, indoor environments without good ventilation increase this risk."
In the Friday update, the CDC had added new measures to protect yourself in others, including recommendations to use air purifiers to reduce airborne germs in indoors spaces and clear guidance to "stay at least 6 feet away from others, whenever possible." The updated CDC page had also changed language around asymptomatic transmission, shifting from saying "some people without symptoms may be able to spread the virus" to saying "people who are infected but do not show symptoms can spread the virus to others." That language has now been removed.
Scientists pushed to acknowledge airborne transmission
Many researchers and doctors have said for months that coronavirus can be transmitted through small airborne viral particles. In July, 239 scientists published a letter that urged the World Health Organization and other public health organizations to be more forthcoming about the likelihood that people could catch the virus from droplets that were floating in the air.

Donald Milton, an author of the letter and a professor of environmental health at the University of Maryland, said he had been "encouraged" when he saw the revised CDC guidance over the weekend, but he said he suspected it was a work in progress since the rest of the CDC's site wasn't updated to reflect the changes.
"I think that the science behind what turned out to be a draft statement is strong and agrees with my understanding of the data," Milton said. "I'm very happy to know that CDC is working on incorporating the latest science in its public statements about transmission. Today, we know a lot about aerosols and how to control them to prevent transmission."
Dr. Mike Ryan, the executive director of World Health Organization Health Emergencies Programme, said that while the United States waits on final advice from the CDC, the world cannot wait to find ways to stop the spread of the disease.
"Based on the evidence, [WHO] believes there is a wide range of transmission modes," Ryan said. "We believe the disease is predominately or primarily spread through droplets spread and through larger droplet nuclei. But we have always said that smaller droplet nuclei can spread this disease -- and that is very context driven."

Ryan explained that people who are in a small indoor area with poor ventilation can become infected through aerosol-based transmission. It's all about knowing risk and "managing the frequency, intensity and duration" of time spent around others in crowded spaces, he said.
"We've got to become able to accept that there are very few absolutes in this response," Ryan added. "We've got to be able to be smart, and make smart decisions, the smart decisions are made based on understanding risk, minimizing risk, and then being aware of the residual risk, and as best we can to avoid that."

Concerns about political pressure
Some were concerned that the rapid updates from CDC might be linked to earlier reports of political pressure and interference at the agency.
On Friday, CDC updated its coronavirus testing guidance to stress that anyone who has been in contact with an infected person should be tested for coronavirus. An earlier, controversial update was not written by CDC scientists and was posted online before it had undergone the normal scientific review process, two sources confirmed to CNN last week.
CNN also reported last week that US Health and Human Services communications officials had recently pushed to change language of weekly science reports released by the CDC so as not to undermine President Donald Trump's political message, according a federal health official told CNN. CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said last week "at no time has the scientific integrity" of these reports been compromised.
On Monday, Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician at George Washington University and CNN medical analyst, said she worried that the sudden changes to CDC guidance could be motivated by politics, rather than science.

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Postby matix » September 21st, 2020, 8:25 pm

redmanjp wrote:Minister say there is no longer a backlog in testing, just a backlog in reporting




That is bulltutu. Fresh out the bison ass

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Postby wing » September 21st, 2020, 11:52 pm

*Why People who are 60+ must stay home and not take any risks at all*
*Written by a nurse who works with ventilators.*

*For those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going back to work and walk into crowded places such as malls or public transport vehicles.. ....*

*For starters, a ventilator is NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines.*

*Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die. It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine.*

*The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive. The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.*

*After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.*

*It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.*

*Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 temperature.

Stay safe and protect our vulnerable citizens.

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Postby redmanjp » September 22nd, 2020, 12:34 am

pugboy wrote:icu locally private is around starting $2500/day room and board only, add extra for drugs, consumables and doc fees

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Postby 2WNBoost » September 22nd, 2020, 5:50 am

Think about this, even without COVID not many patients survive a stay at the ICU of a public hospital. Especially if they are there for a week or more.
Ask yourself why aren’t private hospitals jumping to cash in on the COVID ICU business.
Do your part to protect yourself, your loved ones and your fellow man.
Stay Safe Everyone

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Postby Kenjo » September 22nd, 2020, 6:32 am

2WNBoost wrote:Think about this, even without COVID not many patients survive a stay at the ICU of a public hospital. Especially if they are there for a week or more.
Ask yourself why aren’t private hospitals jumping to cash in on the COVID ICU business.
Do your part to protect yourself, your loved ones and your fellow man.
Stay Safe Everyone

What’s the local Icu pre corona survival rates ? Did they say on a presser that the risk of death is very high for any Icu admission?

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Postby 2WNBoost » September 22nd, 2020, 7:03 am

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Postby jhonnieblue » September 22nd, 2020, 8:39 am

I don't know how to say it again but govt manipulation of numbers is comparable to what trump is doing in the states now.
Only difference is trinidad way more corrupt and it's telling to see doctors involved in this said corruption.
All of them deserve to get Covid for the way they handling this situation

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Postby Phone Surgeon » September 22nd, 2020, 8:55 am

Is it corruption by doctors or under their contracts they cant say anything unless they willing to lose license and pay massive fines?

And then can trinidad really handle the panic of knowing the truth about what really going on in the hospitals?

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Postby pugboy » September 22nd, 2020, 9:01 am

would like to see the nda that doctors/nurses and patients have to sign
anybody know a patient ?

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Postby zoom rader » September 22nd, 2020, 9:10 am

jhonnieblue wrote:I don't know how to say it again but govt manipulation of numbers is comparable to what trump is doing in the states now.
Only difference is trinidad way more corrupt and it's telling to see doctors involved in this said corruption.
All of them deserve to get Covid for the way they handling this situation
An entire nation of PNM ppl got fooled and tricked into voting PNM .

Cheers of Rowlee did a good job managering Covid was the cry and people to voted PNM.

These jack arse PNM ppl blamed Kams for the spread of covid .

I agree with your statement, but the higger ups in PNM are well protecting themselves while citizens have to face this covid mess.

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Postby MaxPower » September 22nd, 2020, 9:24 am

Trinis failed to manage Covid.

The Govt can only do so much.

From Day 1.....

DO NOT CONGREGATE....allyuh remember?

No one listened.

But yeh blame the Govt.

You Trinis really are Stupid AF people living in a beautiful country.

Do Better T&T.

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Postby Dizzy28 » September 22nd, 2020, 9:27 am

Phone Surgeon wrote:Is it corruption by doctors or under their contracts they cant say anything unless they willing to lose license and pay massive fines?

And then can trinidad really handle the panic of knowing the truth about what really going on in the hospitals?


Bruh a doctor give a man back bags of cocaine after a surgery and still practicing.
What's the worse could happen to doctor here??

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Postby Phone Surgeon » September 22nd, 2020, 9:37 am

That was under gangster thing tho. His fellow doctors wont hold that against him

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Postby sMASH » September 22nd, 2020, 12:38 pm

MaxPower wrote:Trinis failed to manage Covid.

The Govt can only do so much.

From Day 1.....

DO NOT CONGREGATE....allyuh remember?

No one listened.

But yeh blame the Govt.

You Trinis really are Stupid AF people living in a beautiful country.

Do Better T&T.


it take the govt 7 months to understand stick break in they ears. very reactionary.

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Postby bluefete » September 22nd, 2020, 2:57 pm

matix wrote:
redmanjp wrote:Minister say there is no longer a backlog in testing, just a backlog in reporting


That is bulltutu. Fresh out the bison ass


Eh? I so agree with you.

Where the hell this MoH gets these things from? Is that to fool the ketchup people?

So it seems that after they "expeditiously" test, they then wait a while to report the results. Is that what he is really saying?

Thanks for all the condolences. Much appreciated by the family.

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Postby redmanjp » September 22nd, 2020, 3:24 pm

didn't see it post yet so

29 new cases

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Postby fokhan_96 » September 22nd, 2020, 6:42 pm

4000+ ... not bad.
10000 by Christmas?

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Postby paid_influencer » September 22nd, 2020, 6:43 pm

81 positives out of 272 tests, or 30% positive rate.

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Postby elec2020 » September 22nd, 2020, 7:52 pm

And monday is a slow day eh. I wonder when we going on lockdown again. I feel marchish after carnival

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Postby 2WNBoost » September 22nd, 2020, 8:09 pm

No more lockdown
Economic activity needs to progress for businesses to hire workers and in turn generate growth.
We don’t have the money to pay everyone to stay at home.
The population needs to start adopting proper the health protocols and act responsibly. We don’t need to follow the example set by others protesting the request to wear a mask. We will only hurt ourselves, economically and health wise, in the long run.

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