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elec2020 wrote:Loves this quote: "According to a report published in the Lockdown Sceptics, Yeadon wrote: “There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from the disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.”
Devourment wrote:elec2020 wrote:Loves this quote: "According to a report published in the Lockdown Sceptics, Yeadon wrote: “There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from the disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.”
There are a lot of things wrong with this quote.
1. We are in a dangerous pandemic. We have seen first hand when covid is left unbound (western world, March) excess deaths doubled in some places, overwhelming hospitals. So can we live with Covid-19? The answer is no, it puts too many people at risk for serious illness or death.
2. Can we live with lockdowns to control it? No, not in the longterm
3. Can we vaccinate those at risk and live with the disease? Mostly yes, BUT by allowing covid-19 to spread amongst the healthy, we are at risk for new mutations that the vaccine does not protect against.
The solution is - Vaccinate everyone for long term benefits.
Virus eradication is always the best option.
daring dragoon wrote:a reporter needs to ask the CMO or health minister how much Venezuelan national in the parallel health system with covid 19 or how much was infected since march. i think it hard to believe that 20 ah dem living in a one or two bedroom apt and resources limited that they getting away from covid. we need to know if they not going to get tested and they moving around and spreading this covid unchecked plus nafeeza want more covid come in but i doubt she taking them home by she or in the mozque to live.
trinis mask up and sanitizing and yet is 50 cases a day, it have to be coming from somewhere.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:daring dragoon wrote:a reporter needs to ask the CMO or health minister how much Venezuelan national in the parallel health system with covid 19 or how much was infected since march. i think it hard to believe that 20 ah dem living in a one or two bedroom apt and resources limited that they getting away from covid. we need to know if they not going to get tested and they moving around and spreading this covid unchecked plus nafeeza want more covid come in but i doubt she taking them home by she or in the mozque to live.
trinis mask up and sanitizing and yet is 50 cases a day, it have to be coming from somewhere.
Ariapita Ave was pumping Friday night.
Plenty ppl outside bars congregating.
An incredibly large amount of chin diaper wearers.
People are not social distancing and are becoming lax or suffering from pandemic fatigue.
Phone Surgeon wrote:The inefficiency of local testing is amazing
Hear this situation.
A relative of mine is a hro in a government job. 4 weeks ago someone dropped off a document for her at her office. The next day the person who dropped the letter was verified covid positive so I guess they do contract tracing and her boss call and ask her how long the person stay in her office etc. 2 days after they call and tell her to go home and they sent her for a covid test for following day. She was given 21 days leave and mandatory home quarantine until she got results. Every day for the first week the ministry call her and ask her how she feeling etc. After that they stop calling. But she never left home. She cancel prayers that were planned. (Divali time) etc. Her husband blank alot of work etc to avoid mixing with people.
After the 21 days still no results. She went health center to get a fit for work and they give her a week again to wait for the results.
She went again Saturday to follow up..they tell her that her results lost or compromised and they could give her two weeks sick leave again while they do a new test
Now she home with full pay over a month. Her work piling up like hell because no one doing it. No doubt alot of people who depend on her for their documents in problems.
She refuse the 2 weeks and the 2nd test because its christmas month now and she dont want be stuck in the house for a next two weeks atleast
So imagine this situation multiply by thousands.
Lost tests
Full.pay for government workers who home
Work piling up
Imagine the private workers who just gonna not get paid or lose their jobs
A covid test isn't 24 or 36 hours now?
redmanjp wrote:Yeah another lockdown may come just in time for Christmas no beach no christmas church services etc.
Health Minister said Hindus behaved well for Divali by not having the usual gatherings but unlike Divali everyone celebrates Christmas so it's on a much larger scale, would ppl behave well for Christmas?
and particularly, the parents of std. 5, form 5 and upper 6 students who have exams next year- do they care about schools reopening? do they realize due to this virus their child has been out of school for most of the year that they suppose to be preparing for a major exam? or is the lime [url][/url]& drinking and socializing that spreads said virus more important? is not JUST about 'ole ppl dieing' it's much more than that.
pete wrote:Malls and Pricesmart have mandatory mask wearing with people monitoring shoppers to ensure they adhere to it which should be safe enough to avoid transmission.
Phone Surgeon wrote:Update...my relative went to work yesterday and she usually has a dry cough(non covid related).her coworkers hear her coughing and they send her home again...she redo a test last night....21 days leave again.
Phone Surgeon wrote:Update...my relative went to work yesterday and she usually has a dry cough(non covid related).her coworkers hear her coughing and they send her home again...she redo a test last night....21 days leave again.
Devourment wrote:That is what Deyalsingh would have us believe.
Also, I've heard a very similar story from a friend.
2 days after a site visit with a contracting crew, he was told one of the persons he shared a vehicle with (I doubt they wore masks as it was some site visit behind god's back) was covid positive.
He was told to go in for a test the next day (3 days after exposure) and go home until he got back his results.
Almost two weeks after, he got the results. Turns out it was negative, but Mr. man here was a bit feeling sick, so he told his boss who told him he couldn't keep him home without sick leave and because he tested negative his boss felt it was safe for him to come in.
It was not, around the next day after he got his initial negative results, he and his dad went to a private lab and was confirmed to have covid (got the results the next day).
NOTE his brother and mother were not tested for covid but are 99.9% likely to have covid because they were all ill with similar symptoms. So testing primary contacts (at least if you went private) is no longer required.
My issue here is that he probably did not have a significant viral load after being exposed 3 days after, hence the negative test (or just false negative).
But he is perhaps one of many that are slipping through the cracks, and now we can see that as testing primary contacts is no longer required, numbers are being suppressed and no one is monitoring or advising these persons on what they should be doing.
pete wrote:Devourment wrote:That is what Deyalsingh would have us believe.
Also, I've heard a very similar story from a friend.
2 days after a site visit with a contracting crew, he was told one of the persons he shared a vehicle with (I doubt they wore masks as it was some site visit behind god's back) was covid positive.
He was told to go in for a test the next day (3 days after exposure) and go home until he got back his results.
Almost two weeks after, he got the results. Turns out it was negative, but Mr. man here was a bit feeling sick, so he told his boss who told him he couldn't keep him home without sick leave and because he tested negative his boss felt it was safe for him to come in.
It was not, around the next day after he got his initial negative results, he and his dad went to a private lab and was confirmed to have covid (got the results the next day).
NOTE his brother and mother were not tested for covid but are 99.9% likely to have covid because they were all ill with similar symptoms. So testing primary contacts (at least if you went private) is no longer required.
My issue here is that he probably did not have a significant viral load after being exposed 3 days after, hence the negative test (or just false negative).
But he is perhaps one of many that are slipping through the cracks, and now we can see that as testing primary contacts is no longer required, numbers are being suppressed and no one is monitoring or advising these persons on what they should be doing.
Yeah, I'm surprised they took a test without symptoms. Definitely should be changed to isolate for 7 days after exposure and if symptoms develop then go to get tested, or wait for 7 days after exposure to get tested.
New York most likelyredmanjp wrote:where this is?
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