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aaron17 wrote:If i have to go in the grocery or pharm...do i need a letter to show the police? If not , what is the purpose then of using the police to regulate? Ppl can lie.
MaxPower wrote:I wish some of you collect some hard slap from the TTPS...
killercow wrote:So what's the consequence / result of opening / operating a non-essential business come Monday?
And what are the consequences if the TTPS / TTDF stops you Monday and you're not deemed as essential? Fine? I just wanna make sure I understand all the stipulated news regulations. Thanks
88sins wrote:Would a national outbreak of super virus with a high mortality rate really be such a terrible thing for T&T? idk about allyuh eh, but to me it sounding kinda attractive & I could see some benefits to it.
boxy wrote:See if this one works
https://tinyurl.com/yx7ncfco
@smash the Ministry would have done immediate contact tracing with his primary persons of contact and by now they would have developed symptoms similarly to the cruise ship victims and they would have been added to the tally. Or you believe they are covering this up as well?Dizzy28 wrote:Your link isn't leading to a page however hopefully it was not this you were referring to when talking about Boris!!boxy wrote:Your arguement is getting annoying now.
On another note here is an example of the stupidity of Boris Johnson before and regret after. Take note of the way he stresses on the term mild symptoms for all the Web MD graduates who still think the specialists are saying the virus is mild.
https://twitter.com/mufc_1878_1902/stat ... 02437?s=09Gladiator wrote:From the timeline in the article...is it safe to say that if we did not have Carnival Mr Leon would not have come to Trinidad and died and whoever he infected could have been avoided.
Awaits the carnival jumbies to start their rants...hydroep wrote:The CMO/MOH is withholding the date when the gentleman was (first) admitted. Why?...
Wide tracing net needed for 1st COVID fatality
Mark Bassant, Lead Editor - Investigative
Hansel Leon, who died of a COVID-19-related illness at the Couva Hospital on Wednesday.
There are still several burning questions that have not been answered by Ministry of Health authorities in the death of 77-year-old Hansel Leon, a US citizen who succumbed to complications from the COVID-19 on Wednesday close to noon at the Couva Hospital. The one thing that seems certain, however, is that the Ministry’s of Health’s contact tracing net for persons he may have come into contact with will have to be cast wide.
During a post-Cabinet media briefing opn Thursday, Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram skirted around several questions raised about Leon and failed to give clear answers on when the patient was first admitted to a medical facility before he was later transferred to the Couva Hospital, where his condition worsened.
But Guardian Media was able to obtain some vital information not only concerning Leon’s travel but also his activity over the last few weeks with a friend of the man’s relatives.
Senior immigration sources told Guardian Media that Leon, who was staying at his sister’s house in South Trinidad, arrived in the country on flight BW521 on February 7 from New York. The man also visited Trinidad last year, arriving on February 20 and leaving on March 22 - senior immigration sources added.
“He comes every year for Carnival,” a family friend said Thursday.
In the weeks leading up to Carnival, Leon had been socialising and attending public events.
“For all of February he was fine but one of his close relatives where he was staying told him he should not be venturing out so often because of COVID-19,” revealed the family friend.
But on March 1, the week after Carnival, there was a gathering Leon attended along with his friend, also from New York, where there were several other foreign nationals also present, the family friend said.
“I know that he passed out on a chair from tiredness that night and his friend later took him home. About four days later (March 5) he went to a funeral,” the family friend said.
A few days later, Leon fell ill and his friend from New York, who had gone to visit him at his relative’s home, said he did not look well and they decided to call an ambulance.
“From what I was told, he was taken to the San Fernando General Hospital and I know when they admitted him he gave his son’s contact information in Atlanta,” said the friend.
The friend said they believe it was “quite likely that someone else who was ill with the virus may have passed it on to him.”
Leon seems to have been taken to the Couva Hospital sometime between March 13 and 15, where he was being treated until he died on Wednesday, which would suggest he took well over the two to 14-day period which current medical experts suggest before showing symptoms after exposure.
Parasram said there were outliers (anomalies) that didn’t fix the general statistic trend with his case. He said in some cases, patients could show symptoms up to 42 days after.
“All of us have been working with 14 days and we are hoping to God that it is right. There has been shown viremic patients up to 42 days in the research, some as far as beyond 42 days, documented 21 days and carrying viral illness.”
However, he steered clear of indicating when Leon was admitted and if he was admitted around March 13, why his case wasn’t declared to the pubic in some measure since the first two cases declared by the Ministry of Health did not match his age. The ages of the first two COVID-19 patients were 52 and 66 respectively.
Up to Thursday, according to the Ministry of Health, T&T had 65 confirmed cases of COVID and 415 people had been tested.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/wide-tracing-net-needed-for-1st-covid-fatality-6.2.1087619.1a5fbcd137
Screenshot_2020-03-27-07-56-37-532_bbc.mobile.news.ww.jpeg
hydroep wrote:LOL @ "Guest Houses" as an "essential service"...
sMASH wrote:boxy wrote:See if this one works
https://tinyurl.com/yx7ncfco
@smash the Ministry would have done immediate contact tracing with his primary persons of contact and by now they would have developed symptoms similarly to the cruise ship victims and they would have been added to the tally. Or you believe they are covering this up as well?Dizzy28 wrote:Your link isn't leading to a page however hopefully it was not this you were referring to when talking about Boris!!boxy wrote:Your arguement is getting annoying now.
On another note here is an example of the stupidity of Boris Johnson before and regret after. Take note of the way he stresses on the term mild symptoms for all the Web MD graduates who still think the specialists are saying the virus is mild.
https://twitter.com/mufc_1878_1902/stat ... 02437?s=09Gladiator wrote:From the timeline in the article...is it safe to say that if we did not have Carnival Mr Leon would not have come to Trinidad and died and whoever he infected could have been avoided.
Awaits the carnival jumbies to start their rants...hydroep wrote:The CMO/MOH is withholding the date when the gentleman was (first) admitted. Why?...
Wide tracing net needed for 1st COVID fatality
Mark Bassant, Lead Editor - Investigative
Hansel Leon, who died of a COVID-19-related illness at the Couva Hospital on Wednesday.
There are still several burning questions that have not been answered by Ministry of Health authorities in the death of 77-year-old Hansel Leon, a US citizen who succumbed to complications from the COVID-19 on Wednesday close to noon at the Couva Hospital. The one thing that seems certain, however, is that the Ministry’s of Health’s contact tracing net for persons he may have come into contact with will have to be cast wide.
During a post-Cabinet media briefing opn Thursday, Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram skirted around several questions raised about Leon and failed to give clear answers on when the patient was first admitted to a medical facility before he was later transferred to the Couva Hospital, where his condition worsened.
But Guardian Media was able to obtain some vital information not only concerning Leon’s travel but also his activity over the last few weeks with a friend of the man’s relatives.
Senior immigration sources told Guardian Media that Leon, who was staying at his sister’s house in South Trinidad, arrived in the country on flight BW521 on February 7 from New York. The man also visited Trinidad last year, arriving on February 20 and leaving on March 22 - senior immigration sources added.
“He comes every year for Carnival,” a family friend said Thursday.
In the weeks leading up to Carnival, Leon had been socialising and attending public events.
“For all of February he was fine but one of his close relatives where he was staying told him he should not be venturing out so often because of COVID-19,” revealed the family friend.
But on March 1, the week after Carnival, there was a gathering Leon attended along with his friend, also from New York, where there were several other foreign nationals also present, the family friend said.
“I know that he passed out on a chair from tiredness that night and his friend later took him home. About four days later (March 5) he went to a funeral,” the family friend said.
A few days later, Leon fell ill and his friend from New York, who had gone to visit him at his relative’s home, said he did not look well and they decided to call an ambulance.
“From what I was told, he was taken to the San Fernando General Hospital and I know when they admitted him he gave his son’s contact information in Atlanta,” said the friend.
The friend said they believe it was “quite likely that someone else who was ill with the virus may have passed it on to him.”
Leon seems to have been taken to the Couva Hospital sometime between March 13 and 15, where he was being treated until he died on Wednesday, which would suggest he took well over the two to 14-day period which current medical experts suggest before showing symptoms after exposure.
Parasram said there were outliers (anomalies) that didn’t fix the general statistic trend with his case. He said in some cases, patients could show symptoms up to 42 days after.
“All of us have been working with 14 days and we are hoping to God that it is right. There has been shown viremic patients up to 42 days in the research, some as far as beyond 42 days, documented 21 days and carrying viral illness.”
However, he steered clear of indicating when Leon was admitted and if he was admitted around March 13, why his case wasn’t declared to the pubic in some measure since the first two cases declared by the Ministry of Health did not match his age. The ages of the first two COVID-19 patients were 52 and 66 respectively.
Up to Thursday, according to the Ministry of Health, T&T had 65 confirmed cases of COVID and 415 people had been tested.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/wide-tracing-net-needed-for-1st-covid-fatality-6.2.1087619.1a5fbcd137
Screenshot_2020-03-27-07-56-37-532_bbc.mobile.news.ww.jpeg
think garcia. day before school has to open, he comes out and reports to rowley, every thing is regular and correct, all schools will be open, and ready for business. when school reopens, if all do open, some of them close back during that first week for a myriad of reasons. most of the time is repairs that did not occur during the vacation period.
same ting now; a lot of grandiose proclamations of how they got this, but really, they are operating minute to minute. and by the seat of thier pants. case in point, all the goodies they promised people, the next day every body outside nib and MoSS, and they had to tell them they have nothing in place for what ever promises that was made.
another point, the 20k people, they said that they would be called twice a day to keep track of them. if each call lasted no more than 1 minute, it would take 83 callers, calling non stop for 4 hours without break to call all 20k persons, once. and they said they will do it twice a week.
they like to feed u all bs, with a calm sedate tone, and u all lap it up. they are at least a month behind every measure.
anohter thing, they needed to do quasi random testing at various places to figure out how far it is in the population. we have two confirmed deaths now, but we had 40 flu deaths that would nothave had a covid test done.
they re selectively measuring for this disease, and the lack of social suppression would(had) allowed it to spread, and would wait till they get a release by a careless person to blame it on, eg ian. so population testing will be actoined after the carnival incubation, so u will not have data to show carnival spread.
not so much a cover up, as a system engineered to skew the data a certain direction.
hydroep wrote:LOL @ "Guest Houses" as an "essential service"...
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:ah wonder if all them people who creating those long lines at the grocery right now, know that those same groceries will be opened until the 15th????????
Rovin wrote:hydroep wrote:LOL @ "Guest Houses" as an "essential service"...
a logical person wud think for sure these wud be shut down but is TnT , no matter what : govt supporters & financiers hadda eat ah food too right
dem tusty men who cyar do without is to blame too
govt also left a gap open for fast food places to operate too seeing is take away & not dine in , so certain businesses $ still running
...
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:ah wonder if all them people who creating those long lines at the grocery right now, know that those same groceries will be opened until the 15th????????
boxy wrote:Smash please go to the WHO website and educate yourself on how testing works please cause at this point I honestly believe u are trolling and it's useless trying to get u to comprehend how modern medicine works.
In a nutshell YOU WILL BE WASTING PRECIOUS TESTING KIT RESOURCES IF YOU TEST SOMEONE WITHOUT SYMPTOMS. The kits provided to CARPHA came from WHO and special guidelines are to be met before using these limited resources.
Secondly the set of people who end up in front of NIB should have called first what country in the world makes an announcement of that magnitude and makes it available by the following day. You are purposely being difficult.
Lastly you do not know what capabilities the government uses to track the people who should be quarantined be it that it could be none you don't know and I don't know for sure.
Basically your entire rants on this page either has been debunked numerous times or you parroting talking points from Facebook.
Can you believe people saying the CMO was programmed lmao aye Allyuh real different here yes and my eye literally twitched when my bredrin bring back up Dr Trotman expressing the mild symptoms Allyuh continue to live in ignorance and believe there is a conspiracy to everything. Doh take the vacinne too when it is made cause u might end up becoming a PNM for life as a side effectsMASH wrote:boxy wrote:See if this one works
https://tinyurl.com/yx7ncfco
@smash the Ministry would have done immediate contact tracing with his primary persons of contact and by now they would have developed symptoms similarly to the cruise ship victims and they would have been added to the tally. Or you believe they are covering this up as well?Dizzy28 wrote:Your link isn't leading to a page however hopefully it was not this you were referring to when talking about Boris!!boxy wrote:Your arguement is getting annoying now.
On another note here is an example of the stupidity of Boris Johnson before and regret after. Take note of the way he stresses on the term mild symptoms for all the Web MD graduates who still think the specialists are saying the virus is mild.
https://twitter.com/mufc_1878_1902/stat ... 02437?s=09Gladiator wrote:From the timeline in the article...is it safe to say that if we did not have Carnival Mr Leon would not have come to Trinidad and died and whoever he infected could have been avoided.
Awaits the carnival jumbies to start their rants...hydroep wrote:The CMO/MOH is withholding the date when the gentleman was (first) admitted. Why?...
Wide tracing net needed for 1st COVID fatality
Mark Bassant, Lead Editor - Investigative
Hansel Leon, who died of a COVID-19-related illness at the Couva Hospital on Wednesday.
There are still several burning questions that have not been answered by Ministry of Health authorities in the death of 77-year-old Hansel Leon, a US citizen who succumbed to complications from the COVID-19 on Wednesday close to noon at the Couva Hospital. The one thing that seems certain, however, is that the Ministry’s of Health’s contact tracing net for persons he may have come into contact with will have to be cast wide.
During a post-Cabinet media briefing opn Thursday, Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram skirted around several questions raised about Leon and failed to give clear answers on when the patient was first admitted to a medical facility before he was later transferred to the Couva Hospital, where his condition worsened.
But Guardian Media was able to obtain some vital information not only concerning Leon’s travel but also his activity over the last few weeks with a friend of the man’s relatives.
Senior immigration sources told Guardian Media that Leon, who was staying at his sister’s house in South Trinidad, arrived in the country on flight BW521 on February 7 from New York. The man also visited Trinidad last year, arriving on February 20 and leaving on March 22 - senior immigration sources added.
“He comes every year for Carnival,” a family friend said Thursday.
In the weeks leading up to Carnival, Leon had been socialising and attending public events.
“For all of February he was fine but one of his close relatives where he was staying told him he should not be venturing out so often because of COVID-19,” revealed the family friend.
But on March 1, the week after Carnival, there was a gathering Leon attended along with his friend, also from New York, where there were several other foreign nationals also present, the family friend said.
“I know that he passed out on a chair from tiredness that night and his friend later took him home. About four days later (March 5) he went to a funeral,” the family friend said.
A few days later, Leon fell ill and his friend from New York, who had gone to visit him at his relative’s home, said he did not look well and they decided to call an ambulance.
“From what I was told, he was taken to the San Fernando General Hospital and I know when they admitted him he gave his son’s contact information in Atlanta,” said the friend.
The friend said they believe it was “quite likely that someone else who was ill with the virus may have passed it on to him.”
Leon seems to have been taken to the Couva Hospital sometime between March 13 and 15, where he was being treated until he died on Wednesday, which would suggest he took well over the two to 14-day period which current medical experts suggest before showing symptoms after exposure.
Parasram said there were outliers (anomalies) that didn’t fix the general statistic trend with his case. He said in some cases, patients could show symptoms up to 42 days after.
“All of us have been working with 14 days and we are hoping to God that it is right. There has been shown viremic patients up to 42 days in the research, some as far as beyond 42 days, documented 21 days and carrying viral illness.”
However, he steered clear of indicating when Leon was admitted and if he was admitted around March 13, why his case wasn’t declared to the pubic in some measure since the first two cases declared by the Ministry of Health did not match his age. The ages of the first two COVID-19 patients were 52 and 66 respectively.
Up to Thursday, according to the Ministry of Health, T&T had 65 confirmed cases of COVID and 415 people had been tested.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/wide-tracing-net-needed-for-1st-covid-fatality-6.2.1087619.1a5fbcd137
Screenshot_2020-03-27-07-56-37-532_bbc.mobile.news.ww.jpeg
think garcia. day before school has to open, he comes out and reports to rowley, every thing is regular and correct, all schools will be open, and ready for business. when school reopens, if all do open, some of them close back during that first week for a myriad of reasons. most of the time is repairs that did not occur during the vacation period.
same ting now; a lot of grandiose proclamations of how they got this, but really, they are operating minute to minute. and by the seat of thier pants. case in point, all the goodies they promised people, the next day every body outside nib and MoSS, and they had to tell them they have nothing in place for what ever promises that was made.
another point, the 20k people, they said that they would be called twice a day to keep track of them. if each call lasted no more than 1 minute, it would take 83 callers, calling non stop for 4 hours without break to call all 20k persons, once. and they said they will do it twice a week.
they like to feed u all bs, with a calm sedate tone, and u all lap it up. they are at least a month behind every measure.
anohter thing, they needed to do quasi random testing at various places to figure out how far it is in the population. we have two confirmed deaths now, but we had 40 flu deaths that would nothave had a covid test done.
they re selectively measuring for this disease, and the lack of social suppression would(had) allowed it to spread, and would wait till they get a release by a careless person to blame it on, eg ian. so population testing will be actoined after the carnival incubation, so u will not have data to show carnival spread.
not so much a cover up, as a system engineered to skew the data a certain direction.
nemisis wrote:So I have stocks at home sando but will be staying by in laws in point fortin. If I need to go home to grab items over the two week period is that non essential travel. Considering I'm not in contact with anyone outside of the same family circle?
richiepooh wrote:Hi Folks,
Did they say anything about leaving your house to Exercise??
richiepooh wrote:Hi Folks,
Did they say anything about leaving your house to Exercise??
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