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Redman wrote:Any one who was in govt before should really stfu
The unions grip on operations was as a result of successive govts pandering to unions and incremental concessions given in order to calm political climates.
It was never about the Co.
Political interference at the top was a constant...as was politically connected people given sweet heart deals.
State run means that.
STATE run.
https://www.pemex.com/acerca/plan-de-ne ... ex2017.pdf
As a simple demonstration-look at PEMEX-which was in the same mess (ok probably still is) -they present and publish a policy/plan and set goals and targets.
Never happen in TnT
Seepersad Bachan was Minister of Energy at a time when the govt was cashed up and had the ability to begin a process of improvement.
But that never happen-its easier to pick he carcass for political mileage.
Does it lessen what is the foolishness of awarding a billion dollar, critical asset to people who've never even managed as much as a sno-cone cart before?
Redman wrote:Ok
So whom among the 3 candidates would you have picked?
And why?
And since the union is yet to disclose who the partnered within terms of management and financing...how are you in a position to judge?
The statement in parliament clearly states that the terms allowed partnerships and are kosher.
So all these talking heads KNOW they asking questions that are clearly red herrings ....they KNOW better .Does it lessen what is the foolishness of awarding a billion dollar, critical asset to people who've never even managed as much as a sno-cone cart before?
You should know better.
Well maybe not.
Why did who ever you work for hire you?
Did they possess your skillset already?
What do they do when they need a lawyer?
Get one?Hire one put one on retainer
What does every other company in the world do when they need a skill set?
The acquire it.
What did every government do when they came into power?
They replaced the management and whoever with their people.
What did gillette have to offer as Chair-or that reprobate Gosine as CEO?
So what you call foolishness is the basis for all hiring/outsourcing/contracting/subcontracting/entrepreneurship/innovation in the world-Corporate entities acquiring the most important resource-the one they dont have.
Redman wrote:Ok
So whom among the 3 candidates would you have picked?
And why?
And since the union is yet to disclose who the partnered within terms of management and financing...how are you in a position to judge?
The statement in parliament clearly states that the terms allowed partnerships and are kosher.
So all these talking heads KNOW they asking questions that are clearly red herrings ....they KNOW better .Does it lessen what is the foolishness of awarding a billion dollar, critical asset to people who've never even managed as much as a sno-cone cart before?
You should know better.
Well maybe not.
Why did who ever you work for hire you?
Did they possess your skillset already?
What do they do when they need a lawyer?
Get one?Hire one put one on retainer
What does every other company in the world do when they need a skill set?
The acquire it.
What did every government do when they came into power?
They replaced the management and whoever with their people.
What did gillette have to offer as Chair-or that reprobate Gosine as CEO?
So what you call foolishness is the basis for all hiring/outsourcing/contracting/subcontracting/entrepreneurship/innovation in the world-Corporate entities acquiring the most important resource-the one they dont have.
De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Ok
So whom among the 3 candidates would you have picked?
And why?
And since the union is yet to disclose who the partnered within terms of management and financing...how are you in a position to judge?
The statement in parliament clearly states that the terms allowed partnerships and are kosher.
So all these talking heads KNOW they asking questions that are clearly red herrings ....they KNOW better .Does it lessen what is the foolishness of awarding a billion dollar, critical asset to people who've never even managed as much as a sno-cone cart before?
You should know better.
Well maybe not.
Why did who ever you work for hire you?
Did they possess your skillset already?
What do they do when they need a lawyer?
Get one?Hire one put one on retainer
What does every other company in the world do when they need a skill set?
The acquire it.
What did every government do when they came into power?
They replaced the management and whoever with their people.
What did gillette have to offer as Chair-or that reprobate Gosine as CEO?
So what you call foolishness is the basis for all hiring/outsourcing/contracting/subcontracting/entrepreneurship/innovation in the world-Corporate entities acquiring the most important resource-the one they dont have.
Don't be foolish and show it Red Kamla Bag.
If you want walls painted a basic one colour any neighbourhood Joe will suffice, but if you want walls built, an experienced mason whose work you, or someone can vouch for is the smart option. Tell me honestly, if someone came to you and said "I never built a wall in my life" would you hire them to do your walls? The PNM deep in you would say yes, skillset, blah blah blah, sheit, sheit, because once again, you are trying to paint this incompetent and highly dubious decision in a positive light because it is a PNM Cabinet decision.
A refinery is not an OJT project.
Redman wrote:De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Ok
So whom among the 3 candidates would you have picked?
And why?
And since the union is yet to disclose who the partnered within terms of management and financing...how are you in a position to judge?
The statement in parliament clearly states that the terms allowed partnerships and are kosher.
So all these talking heads KNOW they asking questions that are clearly red herrings ....they KNOW better .Does it lessen what is the foolishness of awarding a billion dollar, critical asset to people who've never even managed as much as a sno-cone cart before?
You should know better.
Well maybe not.
Why did who ever you work for hire you?
Did they possess your skillset already?
What do they do when they need a lawyer?
Get one?Hire one put one on retainer
What does every other company in the world do when they need a skill set?
The acquire it.
What did every government do when they came into power?
They replaced the management and whoever with their people.
What did gillette have to offer as Chair-or that reprobate Gosine as CEO?
So what you call foolishness is the basis for all hiring/outsourcing/contracting/subcontracting/entrepreneurship/innovation in the world-Corporate entities acquiring the most important resource-the one they dont have.
Don't be foolish and show it Red Kamla Bag.
If you want walls painted a basic one colour any neighbourhood Joe will suffice, but if you want walls built, an experienced mason whose work you, or someone can vouch for is the smart option. Tell me honestly, if someone came to you and said "I never built a wall in my life" would you hire them to do your walls? The PNM deep in you would say yes, skillset, blah blah blah, sheit, sheit, because once again, you are trying to paint this incompetent and highly dubious decision in a positive light because it is a PNM Cabinet decision.
A refinery is not an OJT project.
So if not OWTU which of the three finalist would you have selected.
And why?
Thereare experienced people out there....where did Barden come from?
How did NiQuan get to where they are today?
Your analogy is correct...it's possible that the OWTU can hire experienced people.
Isn't that what this month is for...for them to prove up their package?
You have not offered anything that all the bidders would not have dealt with long ago, and in the absence of information you pelting sheeit,also nothing new.
Redman wrote:If not the OWTU then which of the 3 bidders would you have chosen...and why?
NiQuan hired what they needed, brought in who and what they needed.
Barden,he came with experience.
Both of these are analogous of what we are discussing.
Who said locally.
Companies hire world wide.
Intel,Exxon,Tesla,Massy Tesco,MSFT,Yahoo all hire what they need.
From wherever they find it.
The bidders were all allowed to create partnerships in the instance where they won to ensure that they have what is needed....its public since last year that the union is looking outside for what it needs.
Hence the month to prove up.
Again you ranting without any thing new.
De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:If not the OWTU then which of the 3 bidders would you have chosen...and why?
NiQuan hired what they needed, brought in who and what they needed.
Barden,he came with experience.
Both of these are analogous of what we are discussing.
Who said locally.
Companies hire world wide.
Intel,Exxon,Tesla,Massy Tesco,MSFT,Yahoo all hire what they need.
From wherever they find it.
The bidders were all allowed to create partnerships in the instance where they won to ensure that they have what is needed....its public since last year that the union is looking outside for what it needs.
Hence the month to prove up.
Again you ranting without any thing new.
When you held up NiQuan as an example, I lost what little faith I had in you. You simply do not know how large chemical facilities have to be managed to be viable. Learn from people who are in the industry, and not be an obstinate moron for once. The OWTU and Governments of T&T have never been willing to do what is required, namely run it like an actual business. Hence we have stellar performers like ISCOTT, PT and any State run industry
Any company NOT aligned to, or beholden to any entity locally would have been my choice, because those companies tend to view 700 million as a significant capital expenditure, and would have strategic plans to not only recoup their investment, but make a profit. Not everyone views BILLIONS of dollars lost because of shoddy management and governmental interference as "small ting" like the PNM did with PT. These companies tend to be accountable to someone, even the CEO, Chairman, unlike our usual Malcolm Joneses and Vasant Bharaths.
airuma wrote:Questions:
1. Can the OWTU/ Patriotic be both the employers and bargaining body for the refinery workers legally?
2. What happens if Patriotic makes things worse with the refinery and reduce the value of it further for the period of the moratorium?
3. IF and a very big IF, there is a change of government next year, can the contract with Patriotic be renegotiated or even cancelled?
Redman wrote:I believe that the union will have to confront the issues from the POV they should have adopted 30 years ago.
But it remains to be seen if Patriotic will become to the union what the state enterprises are to the PIP.
it will be much harder-external auditors(real auditors-not like chanka an dem)
hat said they are vocalizing commitment to that not happening
rspann wrote:You mean that if they allowed it to run efficiently and without all the problems they caused for the last 30 yrs while they were the union? If they want it to succeed, they have to change their attitude first. Now they have to drop the worker /victim attitude and adopt an owner/employer attitude.
vaiostation wrote:Mariano toting badd for some years now...
If it was up to he, they would ah sell de refinery to some white man for a dollar.
matr1x wrote:So what happened to the debt?????
Redman wrote:What MBrowne puts forth is equally true for all the bidders.
And the risks are the same.
Again Beowulf,the Germans and Patriotic would all have direct and indirect access to some of the best advice available.
Given the values we talking about-that advice is a necessity.
So the reality is that to some extent the successful conclusion of a deal on the refinery would be self underwriting...meaning who ever puts money into the upgrade would have done a chit ton of analysis.
At that level the 3 final bidders probably have VERY similar plans, similar projections-and strategies.
Whatever we think of the OWTU, for them to get to the point of conclusion..some very smart well informed people have broken this apart and decided that they are a good risk.
matr1x wrote:Smells of corruption????
It reeks. Stink like Marlene undies.
Where was the bidding process??
Who made the agreement?
What was the payback plan?
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