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Rovin wrote:will always have d ole die hards whose leaders in their times were their demigods , like how in panday time it still have ppl all now holding on to his pants leg & many still from 2010 holding on to end of kamla dress
they have to realise d same will not attract new votes , cant keep doing same & expecting a different result
time to put kams in 1 of dem ole time wood rocking chair & tell she relax & enjoy how much life she has left , dise what d poo nm did with manning/rowdy & it worked out for them
i eh so sold on vasant but if dise d best we have at this point in time lets support him & start to build momentum from now ...
Hwells wrote:Rovin wrote:will always have d ole die hards whose leaders in their times were their demigods , like how in panday time it still have ppl all now holding on to his pants leg & many still from 2010 holding on to end of kamla dress
they have to realise d same will not attract new votes , cant keep doing same & expecting a different result
time to put kams in 1 of dem ole time wood rocking chair & tell she relax & enjoy how much life she has left , dise what d poo nm did with manning/rowdy & it worked out for them
i eh so sold on vasant but if dise d best we have at this point in time lets support him & start to build momentum from now ...
it probably is the best considering anybody else will probably be part of the cabal which caused the problems in the first place, or too new and young to hold respect and hold support.
Redman wrote:Oh gorm Zoombindranath...that was 1981..... you eh think its time to let that go?
paid_influencer wrote:I heard part of Vasant's campaign launch on radio. He was trying out a hustings voice, sounding like a fake Rowley. It was pathetic. He has 0 charisma, worse than Dookaran. Major liability unless he gets some more charismatic people on the platform (and not Anil Roberts, for the love of God).
Where is the change?Redman wrote:Oh gorm Zoombindranath...that was 1981..... you eh think its time to let that go?
maj. tom wrote:well maybe he right? Anyone has a clip to share?
Jack: That is foolish talk;Vasant don't have what it takes
Contacted, Warner told the Sunday Guardian, "That is foolish talk. You should not write any and every foolishness you hear. If, however, you do persist to write, then all I have to ask is that you quote what I have said." When told that the information came from within the UNC, but outside of the alleged cabal, he then admitted that he had heard that Bharath was going to contest the leadership. "I am aware of that, but it will burn itself out," he said.
Warner said he did not think Bharath had what it takes to take over the UNC. "Not in our collective lifetime," he said.
Bharath had leadership aspirations in 2010
The Sunday Guardian understands that Bharath had leadership aspirations during the 2010 leadership elections. He was also being groomed by Panday for leadership, party sources said. Bharath, the Sunday Guardian was told, even withheld his support from Persad-Bissessar and only grudgingly voted against Panday.
In a brief telephone interview on Thursday, Panday said he too had heard the rumour that Bharath was going to toss his hat in the election ring. He said every politician had aspirations to become leader, but warned Bharath that the internal electoral machinery may be against him. "The 'cabal', if I may use that word, controls the ballot boxes, the transport of the ballot boxes, the storage of the ballot boxes after the election. It is very difficult to win against that," he said.
...now Club 2014 formed
A new group within the UNC, which is calling itself Club 2014, is set to take over the leadership of the party from PM Kamla Persad-Bissessar.The group, which is made up of some key people in the UNC, has been formed to challenge Persad-Bissessar in the party's upcoming internal elections.A date for the election is yet to be announced.The people who make up Club 2014, sources said, have information on the party's internal election process.
paid_influencer wrote:I remember back in 2009, Vasant and Panday standing next to a river with ballot papers in the water and bawling "LOOK HOW KAMLA TIEF D INTERNAL ELECTION'. That was a few months before Kamla became Prime Minister in 2010. That picture would be gold right now, but I can't find it.
Instead I found this gem, back in 2014 when Vasant was making a half-way effort play. This is probably why he has no seat right now.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2. ... 366f034146Jack: That is foolish talk;Vasant don't have what it takes
Contacted, Warner told the Sunday Guardian, "That is foolish talk. You should not write any and every foolishness you hear. If, however, you do persist to write, then all I have to ask is that you quote what I have said." When told that the information came from within the UNC, but outside of the alleged cabal, he then admitted that he had heard that Bharath was going to contest the leadership. "I am aware of that, but it will burn itself out," he said.
Warner said he did not think Bharath had what it takes to take over the UNC. "Not in our collective lifetime," he said.
Bharath had leadership aspirations in 2010
The Sunday Guardian understands that Bharath had leadership aspirations during the 2010 leadership elections. He was also being groomed by Panday for leadership, party sources said. Bharath, the Sunday Guardian was told, even withheld his support from Persad-Bissessar and only grudgingly voted against Panday.
In a brief telephone interview on Thursday, Panday said he too had heard the rumour that Bharath was going to toss his hat in the election ring. He said every politician had aspirations to become leader, but warned Bharath that the internal electoral machinery may be against him. "The 'cabal', if I may use that word, controls the ballot boxes, the transport of the ballot boxes, the storage of the ballot boxes after the election. It is very difficult to win against that," he said....now Club 2014 formed
A new group within the UNC, which is calling itself Club 2014, is set to take over the leadership of the party from PM Kamla Persad-Bissessar.The group, which is made up of some key people in the UNC, has been formed to challenge Persad-Bissessar in the party's upcoming internal elections.A date for the election is yet to be announced.The people who make up Club 2014, sources said, have information on the party's internal election process.
the whole article has more, but it shows how long Vasant has been impotently fighting for leadership and what a real lack of success (or failure if we being blunt) he has been.
paid_influencer wrote:Just for the record - I voted for Kamla on August 10, 2020.
did you?
Dohplaydat wrote:maj. tom wrote:well maybe he right? Anyone has a clip to share?
Even if true, why does it matter? UNC needs to change and evolve and Vasant is by far the smartest most respected member they have that can instigate this change?
UNC will never win a next election. You think in 2025 this version of UNC can defeat a Brian Manning or Start Young led PNM? Never, they'll end up losing worse than in 2020.
De Dragon wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:maj. tom wrote:well maybe he right? Anyone has a clip to share?
Even if true, why does it matter? UNC needs to change and evolve and Vasant is by far the smartest most respected member they have that can instigate this change?
UNC will never win a next election. You think in 2025 this version of UNC can defeat a Brian Manning or Start Young led PNM? Never, they'll end up losing worse than in 2020.
Vasant isn't the untouchable, enlightened saviour that many are making him out to be. Anyone remember the dog rice scandal? The personal "Ministry" Porsche scandal? KPB should consider naming a successor and bowing out gracefully, but Bharath, Devant, and the lot are only coming across as disgruntled toters, no matter their intentions.
Dohplaydat wrote:De Dragon wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:maj. tom wrote:well maybe he right? Anyone has a clip to share?
Even if true, why does it matter? UNC needs to change and evolve and Vasant is by far the smartest most respected member they have that can instigate this change?
UNC will never win a next election. You think in 2025 this version of UNC can defeat a Brian Manning or Start Young led PNM? Never, they'll end up losing worse than in 2020.
Vasant isn't the untouchable, enlightened saviour that many are making him out to be. Anyone remember the dog rice scandal? The personal "Ministry" Porsche scandal? KPB should consider naming a successor and bowing out gracefully, but Bharath, Devant, and the lot are only coming across as disgruntled toters, no matter their intentions.
No one is untouchable, but saviour he is. Is anyone challenging Kamla? No, then only he can save UNC.
Also he's been absolved of any wrong doing in the dog rice scandal.
https://trinisweettalk.forumotion.com/t ... vindicated
jhonnieblue wrote:Zoom you asked if KPB left and vasant took the mantle if I would vote UNC. In a heart beat. Kamla not represents every corrupt practice and the worst of us. Only UNC diehards and those who vote by race would support this current UNC.
If this nation truly has to change then the leaders have to change and the supporting executive has to change.
Otherwise PNM will continue winning every election.
in the next 1,2,3 and 4 years to be worthy of voting in?Are we going to end up like the US where the need for change facilitated a hitherto inconceivable Trump presidency?
sMASH wrote:Men talking like kamla will get vote out.
Panday has no faith in UNC internal election process
Founder of the United National Congress (UNC) Basdeo Panday has very little faith in the opposition party ever returning to government.
The former prime minister also does not expect much change after the UNC’s internal elections, which is set for December 6.
"There is very little hope for the present opposition to attain government anytime soon," Panday said on Saturday.
"I am seeing the obvious. The person who is fighting the elections is also conducting the elections."
In 2010, he lost the party’s internal elections to Kamla Persad-Bissessar. A few months later, she became this country’s first female prime minister.
Without referring to her by name, Panday said, "If someone is a contestant and that person is in control, organising every aspect of that internal election, who do you think would win?"
In the past, he publicly said the party had lost its way under her leadership.
So far, former trade minister Vasant Bharath has launched his campaign to contest the leadership position.
On Friday, the former St Augustine MP held a press conference saying the membership is fed-up with losing at the polls. He said under Persad-Bissessar's leadership, the party had 11 defeats. He charged that owing to poor leadership, the UNC is in total disarray.
Also commenting on the internal elections was Panday’s brother, Subhas.
Subhas said, "I wish that the best person wins. I hope that whatever happens, the election will further strengthen the party."
He was a national security minister under the People's Partnership administration which Persad-Bissessar led from 2010 to 2015.
Subhas opted not to make additional comments on the issue.
Nomination day is November 15. Apart from electing the political leader, the membership would also elect a new national executive.
Based on the constitution, the leader and other executive positions become vacant at midnight on November 26.
Despite opposition from some UNC members, Persad-Bissessar has strong backing, especially from her Siparia constituents and some MPs, including Dave Tancoo.
https://newsday.co.tt/2020/11/01/panday ... n-process/
sMASH wrote:Men talking like kamla will get vote out.
paid_influencer wrote:Phillip doh want any dog rice in his party.
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