Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

[zoom rader]

and health services
a nurse tell me yesterday she practically could get by with basic conversation spanish now
she spend so much time use translation app

Wait till they start getting HDC houses and PNM ppl are displaced

[Gladiator]

and health services
a nurse tell me yesterday she practically could get by with basic conversation spanish now
she spend so much time use translation app

Wait till they start getting HDC houses and PNM ppl are displaced

Three of them showed me the "salary relief grant" checks the other day... paid from living waters $7500 each. Poor souls don't have a bank account to cash it in.... Plenty Trinis can't even smell a cent from the HSF that was withdrawn for salary relief.

[MaxPower]

and health services
a nurse tell me yesterday she practically could get by with basic conversation spanish now
she spend so much time use translation app

Wait till they start getting HDC houses and PNM ppl are displaced

Hello Zoom,

Wait till when?

Happening already.

John doe on paper don’t mean john doe on paper.

Wink wink.

[RedVEVO]

Friends,

93 Venezuelans deported today?

Only?

I hope they were ALL criminals.

They were here illegally, so no need to "hope" that they were criminals.

Yep all venes that came in with no passport stamped are criminals.

They claimed asylum in Trinidad .

They can do this under the UN resolution that T&T signed .

Then " in the middle of the night" they were deported .

Again the Gov't has broken the Law .

They have to prove they are asylum seekers, they have to prove their lifes are danger and are persecuted. which they are not.

They are economic illegal immigrants seeking to raid trini fruits and tax payers money.

Incorrect , no , no nunca !

They never had their day in Court .

Gov't decided to steal that right from them .

People have to understand that their "democratic right" was taken away .

And for what ?

To stand up and say I sent young desperate people to die

Blood is on the hands of these people who think they are sooooo righteous .

[88sins]

Incorrect , no , no nunca !

They never had their day in Court .

Gov't decided to steal that right from them .

People have to understand that their "democratic right" was taken away .

And for what ?

To stand up and say I sent young desperate people to die

Blood is on the hands of these people who think they are sooooo righteous .

It's impossible for anyone to steal something that they never had deputy dipshit

They were NONE of them citizens of this country and this nations democracy, thus they have ZERO "democratic rights" here that anyone can take from them.
Let them exercise said democratic rights where they actually have them, back in Venezuela.

[zoom rader]

Friends,

93 Venezuelans deported today?

Only?

I hope they were ALL criminals.

They were here illegally, so no need to "hope" that they were criminals.

Yep all venes that came in with no passport stamped are criminals.

They claimed asylum in Trinidad .

They can do this under the UN resolution that T&T signed .

Then " in the middle of the night" they were deported .

Again the Gov't has broken the Law .

They have to prove they are asylum seekers, they have to prove their lifes are danger and are persecuted. which they are not.

They are economic illegal immigrants seeking to raid trini fruits and tax payers money.

Incorrect , no , no nunca !

They never had their day in Court .

Gov't decided to steal that right from them .

People have to understand that their "democratic right" was taken away .

And for what ?

To stand up and say I sent young desperate people to die

Blood is on the hands of these people who think they are sooooo righteous .

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

[RedVEVO]

Friends,

93 Venezuelans deported today?

Only?

I hope they were ALL criminals.

They were here illegally, so no need to "hope" that they were criminals.

Yep all venes that came in with no passport stamped are criminals.

They claimed asylum in Trinidad .

They can do this under the UN resolution that T&T signed .

Then " in the middle of the night" they were deported .

Again the Gov't has broken the Law .

They have to prove they are asylum seekers, they have to prove their lifes are danger and are persecuted. which they are not.

They are economic illegal immigrants seeking to raid trini fruits and tax payers money.

Incorrect , no , no nunca !

They never had their day in Court .

Gov't decided to steal that right from them .

People have to understand that their "democratic right" was taken away .

And for what ?

To stand up and say I sent young desperate people to die

Blood is on the hands of these people who think they are sooooo righteous .

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

No they are not criminals , again and again incorrect .

They are political refugees and can claim political asylum .

Why do you think money is given to them via the UN ?

Many have matters before the Courts but the Govt interferes with the Judiciary .

They come as " a thief in the night" and deports them with legal authority .

Govt is again and again promoting illegals acts .

[88sins]

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

It have an alternative.
Put them in a detention camp, and work them with hard labor on a chain gang for 6 months to a year to clean drains, pick up litter & rubbish, cut bush etc. THEN deport them. Feed them on the cheap with bare basic meals to meet nutritional requirements, no seasoning or flavorings other than a barely there sprinkling of salt. This would be so that they themselves pay for the cost of resources & manpower we Trinis have to bear to find, detain & deport them as well as for the resources they happy to be using without contributing to.

[pugboy]

you want them to stop coming here bro

[88sins]

No they are not criminals , again and again incorrect .

They are political refugees and can claim political asylum .

Why do you think money is given to them via the UN ?

Many have matters before the Courts but the Govt interferes with the Judiciary .

They come as " a thief in the night" and deports them with legal authority .

Govt is again and again promoting illegals acts .

RedBottom
T&T is a sovereign independent nation, with it's own laws, that all persons within it's borders MUST adhere to.

Any nation can opt into or out of U.N. refugee treaties/agreements. The UN ain't nobody daddy with a belt coming to cut ass, particularly when they have NOT committed themselves to bearing at the least the financial strain an influx of "refugees" would cause.

UN treaties DO NOT SUPERSEDE T&T laws or ANY OTHER NATIONS LAWS..

[RedVEVO]

^^
The uneducated and void continued to speak with 88 lies and faiure in 88 examinations .

A UN treaty is similar to a "contract" or an understanding .

Gov't is breaching the Laws.

If TT Gov't want to continue to breach international UN agreements then we should withdraw from the UN .

The World sees us and history will record that blood is on the hand of TT agreements .

[zoom rader]

Friends,

93 Venezuelans deported today?

Only?

I hope they were ALL criminals.

They were here illegally, so no need to "hope" that they were criminals.

Yep all venes that came in with no passport stamped are criminals.

They claimed asylum in Trinidad .

They can do this under the UN resolution that T&T signed .

Then " in the middle of the night" they were deported .

Again the Gov't has broken the Law .

They have to prove they are asylum seekers, they have to prove their lifes are danger and are persecuted. which they are not.

They are economic illegal immigrants seeking to raid trini fruits and tax payers money.

Incorrect , no , no nunca !

They never had their day in Court .

Gov't decided to steal that right from them .

People have to understand that their "democratic right" was taken away .

And for what ?

To stand up and say I sent young desperate people to die

Blood is on the hands of these people who think they are sooooo righteous .

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

No they are not criminals , again and again incorrect .

They are political refugees and can claim political asylum .

Why do you think money is given to them via the UN ?

Many have matters before the Courts but the Govt interferes with the Judiciary .

They come as " a thief in the night" and deports them with legal authority .

Govt is again and again promoting illegals acts .

They are not refugees.

They are economic illegal immigrants.

[88sins]

^^
The uneducated and void continued to speak with 88 lies and faiure in 88 examinations .

A UN treaty is similar to a "contract" or an understanding .

Gov't is breaching the Laws.

If TT Gov't want to continue to breach international UN agreements then we should withdraw from the UN .

The World sees us and history will record that blood is on the hand of TT agreements .

poor RedBAMSEE. Anyway


Who you think "the world" will more likely remember with blood on their hands?

Trinis for kicking a couple hundred pajoles out?
or
The Vene dictatorship & citizenry that busy robbing, killing & starving their own?

[Ben_spanna]

Understand.. government didnt take away anything from them, they were ILLEGAL Immigrants anmd as such had no rights to be here, more so have any legal proceedings against the state.
They are not recognized as being a part of our system, send them back!

I hope this was the first shipment of these illegal venez of many many more to come... send them all tuh fook back!

[MaxPower]

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

It have an alternative.
Put them in a detention camp, and work them with hard labor on a chain gang for 6 months to a year to clean drains, pick up litter & rubbish, cut bush etc. THEN deport them. Feed them on the cheap with bare basic meals to meet nutritional requirements, no seasoning or flavorings other than a barely there sprinkling of salt. This would be so that they themselves pay for the cost of resources & manpower we Trinis have to bear to find, detain & deport them as well as for the resources they happy to be using without contributing to.

Reek,

A very heartless and inhumane approach but i understand coming from a typical Trini’s point of view.

The thing is, the Venezuelans are already willingly cleaning the drains and picking up litter and rubbish from Trinis.

They already eat bare basic meals and yes, they tend to have less flavor.

But even with these tough times they have to endure, they still have that will power to work hard unlike Trinis. This is exactly why there is no reason for the Govt or the majority of T&T citizens to even bother considering your suggestion.

But i agree with deporting the illegals but, again, your suggestions will never happen. We are alot better than that. Have you ever seen how the USA deports your fellow Trini pests? Its graceful, nice and organized and we must follow suit.

Reek, we are humans, but we cannot, i repeat, we cannot allow our hateful, jealous, disgruntled, suffer wishing personal views dictate how we must treat others especially when young children are involved.

[88sins]

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

It have an alternative.
Put them in a detention camp, and work them with hard labor on a chain gang for 6 months to a year to clean drains, pick up litter & rubbish, cut bush etc. THEN deport them. Feed them on the cheap with bare basic meals to meet nutritional requirements, no seasoning or flavorings other than a barely there sprinkling of salt. This would be so that they themselves pay for the cost of resources & manpower we Trinis have to bear to find, detain & deport them as well as for the resources they happy to be using without contributing to.

Reek,

A very heartless and inhumane approach but i understand coming from a typical Trini’s point of view.

The thing is, the Venezuelans are already willingly cleaning the drains and picking up litter and rubbish from Trinis.

They already eat bare basic meals and yes, they tend to have less flavor.

But even with these tough times they have to endure, they still have that will power to work hard unlike Trinis. This is exactly why there is no reason for the Govt or the majority of T&T citizens to even bother considering your suggestion.

But i agree with deporting the illegals but, again, your suggestions will never happen. We are alot better than that. Have you ever seen how the USA deports your fellow Trini pests? Its graceful, nice and organized and we must follow suit.

Reek, we are humans, but we cannot, i repeat, we cannot allow our hateful, jealous, disgruntled, suffer wishing personal views dictate how we must treat others especially when young children are involved.

I laugh at your opinion that my solution is "heartless and inhumane". Where's the humane behavior from vene pirates that abduct Trini fishermen and hold them for ransom under the threat of death?
At least my way they get to stay for awhile and not die of starvation, they also get to pay the price for their crime, while at the same time repaying the state and the people for the costs of resources used to track them down, detain and house and feed them and ultimately deport them. You say they already doing those things? Good, so let them continue, but as mandatory unpaid temporary employees of the state. What's your issue? The unpaid part? The demeaning labor part? The deportation part? The barely enough nutrition to keep them alive part?

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

[MaxPower]

Reek,

How Vene pirates get into this?

They are murderers.

That comparison is totally irrelevant to our discussion.

Nevertheless, your suggestions would not be entertained unfortunately.

You and the small portion of locals that are intimidated have to approach the Govt with your “solutions”. You can ask them why they and the majority of citizens, inclusive of, WE, the business community support the Venezuelans.

We are just going in circles Reek.

A solution would be to register all Venezuelans and everyone can learn to live in harmony.

[RedVEVO]

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

It have an alternative.
Put them in a detention camp, and work them with hard labor on a chain gang for 6 months to a year to clean drains, pick up litter & rubbish, cut bush etc. THEN deport them. Feed them on the cheap with bare basic meals to meet nutritional requirements, no seasoning or flavorings other than a barely there sprinkling of salt. This would be so that they themselves pay for the cost of resources & manpower we Trinis have to bear to find, detain & deport them as well as for the resources they happy to be using without contributing to.

Reek,

A very heartless and inhumane approach but i understand coming from a typical Trini’s point of view.

The thing is, the Venezuelans are already willingly cleaning the drains and picking up litter and rubbish from Trinis.

They already eat bare basic meals and yes, they tend to have less flavor.

But even with these tough times they have to endure, they still have that will power to work hard unlike Trinis. This is exactly why there is no reason for the Govt or the majority of T&T citizens to even bother considering your suggestion.

But i agree with deporting the illegals but, again, your suggestions will never happen. We are alot better than that. Have you ever seen how the USA deports your fellow Trini pests? Its graceful, nice and organized and we must follow suit.

Reek, we are humans, but we cannot, i repeat, we cannot allow our hateful, jealous, disgruntled, suffer wishing personal views dictate how we must treat others especially when young children are involved.

Max this is NOT " a typical Trini’s point of view " .

Let me explain so the many "normal educated persons" will understand .

You have to understand - these people who project these points of view are PESTS a.k.a perra class.

These pest people project hate , racism and indifference in ANY society , be it in Trinidad or USA .

As you know MANY of these Venezuelans , are well educated . They claim political asylum .

So and I say it 88 times these views comes from the uneducated , devoid of any humanity and canny.

The solution is to leave them alone since they have no friends and are unhappy in their current situation .

You and I will always rise and help and we have righteous that guides

We are the white lights in views

[88sins]

Reek,

How Vene pirates get into this?

They are murderers.

That comparison is totally irrelevant to our discussion.

Nevertheless, your suggestions would not be entertained unfortunately.

You and the small portion of locals that are intimidated have to approach the Govt with your “solutions”. You can ask them why they and the majority of citizens, inclusive of, WE, the business community support the Venezuelans.

We are just going in circles Reek.

A solution would be to register all Venezuelans and everyone can learn to live in harmony.

How vene pirates get into this? You opened the door when you stated my suggestion was "heartless & inhumane", and I used them as a true example of what heartless and inhumane really is. If you don't like people reminding you of what atrocities Venezuelans are capable of that's not my concern,
but you not liking people reminding you doesn't alter the fact or excuse them from their criminal conduct. And what intell do you possess that guarantees that no Venezuelan murderers or pirates coming here in on a pirogue? No you don't. So what's really your point? If you can't tell who or what's entering the country illegally, your solution is what? To just let anything and everything in that wants in and washes up on the shoreline?


If we must err, tis safer to err on the side of caution and send them back, and let them know that if they truly seek asylum, they should at the very least come in through a lawful port of entry and be documented upon arrival letting the state know that they are in fact here and are trying to obey our laws.

[MaxPower]

As soon as they land with no TT immigration stamp in their passport is to deport them at once.

There is no ifs or butts.

They are criminals

It have an alternative.
Put them in a detention camp, and work them with hard labor on a chain gang for 6 months to a year to clean drains, pick up litter & rubbish, cut bush etc. THEN deport them. Feed them on the cheap with bare basic meals to meet nutritional requirements, no seasoning or flavorings other than a barely there sprinkling of salt. This would be so that they themselves pay for the cost of resources & manpower we Trinis have to bear to find, detain & deport them as well as for the resources they happy to be using without contributing to.

Reek,

A very heartless and inhumane approach but i understand coming from a typical Trini’s point of view.

The thing is, the Venezuelans are already willingly cleaning the drains and picking up litter and rubbish from Trinis.

They already eat bare basic meals and yes, they tend to have less flavor.

But even with these tough times they have to endure, they still have that will power to work hard unlike Trinis. This is exactly why there is no reason for the Govt or the majority of T&T citizens to even bother considering your suggestion.

But i agree with deporting the illegals but, again, your suggestions will never happen. We are alot better than that. Have you ever seen how the USA deports your fellow Trini pests? Its graceful, nice and organized and we must follow suit.

Reek, we are humans, but we cannot, i repeat, we cannot allow our hateful, jealous, disgruntled, suffer wishing personal views dictate how we must treat others especially when young children are involved.

Max this is NOT " a typical Trini’s point of view " .

Let me explain so the many "normal educated persons" will understand .

You have to understand - these people who project these points of view are PESTS a.k.a perra class.

These pest people project hate , racism and indifference in ANY society , be it in Trinidad or USA .

As you know MANY of these Venezuelans , are well educated . They claim political asylum .

So and I say it 88 times these views comes from the uneducated , devoid of any humanity and canny.

The solution is to leave them alone since they have no friends and are unhappy in their current situation .

You and I will always rise and help and we have righteous that guides

We are the white lights in views

Hello RedVEVO,

Thanks you for the write up my good lad.

I think the Govt and the rest of the population are doing exactly what you mentioned the solution is. And that is to leave them alone and let them rant and yap.

Humanity had called upon us and we must act as a people and as a nation and help one an another regardless of race and nationality.

We are the white lights in the views...views of truth and reality that no one wants to hear.

[De Dragon]

Good job TTPS/MoNS/Immigration.
Illegal is not the way, the bleeding heart PNM GORTT did their sheit with registering and exempting taxes etc, so there should be NO need to come illegally.

[MaxPower]

Reek,

How Vene pirates get into this?

They are murderers.

That comparison is totally irrelevant to our discussion.

Nevertheless, your suggestions would not be entertained unfortunately.

You and the small portion of locals that are intimidated have to approach the Govt with your “solutions”. You can ask them why they and the majority of citizens, inclusive of, WE, the business community support the Venezuelans.

We are just going in circles Reek.

A solution would be to register all Venezuelans and everyone can learn to live in harmony.

How vene pirates get into this? You opened the door when you stated my suggestion was "heartless & inhumane", and I used them as a true example of what heartless and inhumane really is. If you don't like people reminding you of what atrocities Venezuelans are capable of that's not my concern,
but you not liking people reminding you doesn't alter the fact or excuse them from their criminal conduct. And what intell do you possess that guarantees that no Venezuelan murderers or pirates coming here in on a pirogue? No you don't. So what's really your point? If you can't tell who or what's entering the country illegally, your solution is what? To just let anything and everything in that wants in and washes up on the shoreline?


If we must err, tis safer to err on the side of caution and send them back, and let them know that if they truly seek asylum, they should at the very least come in through a lawful port of entry and be documented upon arrival letting the state know that they are in fact here and are trying to obey our laws.

Reek,

All you envision is hundreds of Venezuelans coming here daily on a pirogue. Where is you intel on this? Who is feeding you this information? Where is the evidence?

I am not saying that they are not coming here, but again, the situation is not as bad as you panic it to be my good man.

Btw, i dont need “intel” to guarantee that Vene murderous pirates are here. Vene pirates murder not so? Vene pirates are heartless and inhumane not so? I fully agree but where are the savage murders in T&T resulting from the arrival of Vene pirates?

You want more intel or the murder rate stats are sufficient? Lemme guess......soon? All Venes gonna turn on us....soon? Venes are going to have T&T like their country....soon?

Reek, stop selling yourself hopes bro. You have to look around and understand that the situation is way different to what you portray it to be AND its actually in a more positive light.

Its not thousands and thousands here?? Where is the crime? The murders? Where are your pirates slaughtering Trinis? Come on Reek, your assumptions are not adding up.

My point is, these people are generally good and humble people and that we must have some understanding and acceptance due to their situation.

Do not hate them because they dont have a home, or have a sweet hungry baby to feed. Do not hate because they only seek a better life. Do not hate because of their better work etiquette and their ambition to progress.

All im asking Reek, is to have some compassion, have a heart.....learn to live with them.

[alfa]

Good job TTPS/MoNS/Immigration.
Illegal is not the way, the bleeding heart PNM GORTT did their sheit with registering and exempting taxes etc, so there should be NO need to come illegally.

That's right. Where else in the world could you have immigrants seeking asylum enter a country and get registered and legalized in droves? They can't get away with that nonsense in the US or Europe. There may even be illegal Trinis still hiding in the states after all these decades . We have done far more than we should from a humanitarian standpoint. Even the illegal ones are treated well and allowed to act like actual citizens. I say deport from a side anyone without papers

[88sins]

2 by Thursday

Edit
2 as of Wednesday

[De Dragon]

2 by Thursday

Nice. JUHN Scarfy can't be talking about 2 years of ketch arse, and tax, tax, tax, when freeloading illegals continue to drain the already very strained resources of the country.

[agent007]

As more illegals pour into our country and as jobs disappear as fast as they pour in, my question is, what is stopping them from ravaging our business districts and neighborhoods in search of food due to desperate times?

What is the ratio like now? 1 Vene to 5 trinis? Or 1 vene to 2-3 fit trinis or 1 vene with a firearm vs the avg trini with no firearm?

Who the odds in favour with?

Pause for a minute folks and recognize what is to come....

[De Dragon]

As more illegals pour into our country and as jobs disappear as fast as they pour in, my question is, what is stopping them from ravaging our business districts and neighborhoods in search of food due to desperate times?

What is the ratio like now? 1 Vene to 5 trinis? Or 1 vene to 2-3 fit trinis or 1 vene with a firearm vs the avg trini with no firearm?

Who the odds in favour with?

Pause for a minute folks and recognize what is to come....

Some of them already start to get too comfortable with their accustomed nonsense. Today we had to run a few Vene youths, posing up by the neighbourhood parlour with 3-4 unmuzzled pitbulls. Lots of elderly and kids frquent that parlour, and these dummies have these dogs unmuzzled, and plus the handlers looking like they can't even restrain a dustbin terrier, far less a pit

[Kenjo]

As more illegals pour into our country and as jobs disappear as fast as they pour in, my question is, what is stopping them from ravaging our business districts and neighborhoods in search of food due to desperate times?

What is the ratio like now? 1 Vene to 5 trinis? Or 1 vene to 2-3 fit trinis or 1 vene with a firearm vs the avg trini with no firearm?

Who the odds in favour with?

Pause for a minute folks and recognize what is to come....

Some of them already start to get too comfortable with their accustomed nonsense. Today we had to run a few Vene youths, posing up by the neighbourhood parlour with 3-4 unmuzzled pitbulls. Lots of elderly and kids frquent that parlour, and these dummies have these dogs unmuzzled, and plus the handlers looking like they can't even restrain a dustbin terrier, far less a pit

Where is this ?

[De Dragon]

As more illegals pour into our country and as jobs disappear as fast as they pour in, my question is, what is stopping them from ravaging our business districts and neighborhoods in search of food due to desperate times?

What is the ratio like now? 1 Vene to 5 trinis? Or 1 vene to 2-3 fit trinis or 1 vene with a firearm vs the avg trini with no firearm?

Who the odds in favour with?

Pause for a minute folks and recognize what is to come....

Some of them already start to get too comfortable with their accustomed nonsense. Today we had to run a few Vene youths, posing up by the neighbourhood parlour with 3-4 unmuzzled pitbulls. Lots of elderly and kids frquent that parlour, and these dummies have these dogs unmuzzled, and plus the handlers looking like they can't even restrain a dustbin terrier, far less a pit

Where is this ?

Central

[Ben_spanna]

Call the police and Immigration and tell them a group of Illegal Venez terrorising that place and cursing you ... they will send a team and put them where they supposed to be - in custody!

As more illegals pour into our country and as jobs disappear as fast as they pour in, my question is, what is stopping them from ravaging our business districts and neighborhoods in search of food due to desperate times?

What is the ratio like now? 1 Vene to 5 trinis? Or 1 vene to 2-3 fit trinis or 1 vene with a firearm vs the avg trini with no firearm?

Who the odds in favour with?

Pause for a minute folks and recognize what is to come....

Some of them already start to get too comfortable with their accustomed nonsense. Today we had to run a few Vene youths, posing up by the neighbourhood parlour with 3-4 unmuzzled pitbulls. Lots of elderly and kids frquent that parlour, and these dummies have these dogs unmuzzled, and plus the handlers looking like they can't even restrain a dustbin terrier, far less a pit

Where is this ?

Central