CO2 Mig Welder

[pugboy]

Check them places that resell tanks for massy igl
they usually know guys who may have tanks to sell etc

[android79]

I looking for a argon bottle also, the bigger the better.

[jaggie]

Gents, so same issue with me...buy or rent?
spoke to the sale rep...this is the info...

Arti Ragoonanan <Arti.Ragoonanan@massygroup.com>

Further to our conversation this morning concerning the Argon:
Rental:

1. Deposit - $2,000.00 – this refundable upon return of the cylinder in good condition – this can be exchanged at the various outlets.
2. Cost of Gas - $439.12 + VAT
3. Rental - $210.00 - this is for 6 months in advance after the 6 months the rental is $40.00 per month

To Purchase:
1. To purchase a 110 scf full with gas - $2,345.12 – to refill is $263.87.
2. To purchase a 55 scf full with gas - $1,827.88 – to refill is $140.38.

Kind Regards
Arti Ragoonanan
Sales Supervisor

NOTE...Refilling of Purchased bottles only at the plant in COUVA....NO EXCHANGE form dealers..

[android79]

Rent is dead money, I think I will buy one

[pugboy]

Dunno if argon can be used in aluminium bottles
but I brought down my own co2 aluminium bottle a while back for much cheaper than buying from igl.

[INDAVID WORKSHOP]

You can't fill the CO2 tank with argon. Argon cylinders are made differently to withstand the higher pressure of compressed gas (about 2015 PSI). CO2 tanks are designed for liquid. The only pressure is the vapor pressure from the boiling liquid in the tank, normally less than 500PSI.

Info got online with regards to switching gas in cylinders.

[sMASH]

Gents, so same issue with me...buy or rent?
spoke to the sale rep...this is the info...

Arti Ragoonanan <Arti.Ragoonanan@massygroup.com>

Further to our conversation this morning concerning the Argon:
Rental:

1. Deposit - $2,000.00 – this refundable upon return of the cylinder in good condition – this can be exchanged at the various outlets.
2. Cost of Gas - $439.12 + VAT
3. Rental - $210.00 - this is for 6 months in advance after the 6 months the rental is $40.00 per month

To Purchase:
1. To purchase a 110 scf full with gas - $2,345.12 – to refill is $263.87.
2. To purchase a 55 scf full with gas - $1,827.88 – to refill is $140.38.

Kind Regards
Arti Ragoonanan
Sales Supervisor

NOTE...Refilling of Purchased bottles only at the plant in COUVA....NO EXCHANGE form dealers..

wait nah, u could buy it? they didnt tell me that. noice

[Lance]

I thought the same thing and went ahead and bought a 110cf argon tank.

But the issue is one of downtime. If you purchase your bottle then you need to drop it off at couva or aranguez and wait 5-7days before you get it back.

With a rented tank you can just drop off and collect another one and be on your way.

If you intend on buying multiple tanks then this wont probably be an issue.

Rent is dead money, I think I will buy one

[rspann]

I thought the same thing and went ahead and bought a 110cf argon tank.

But the issue is one of downtime. If you purchase your bottle then you need to drop it off at couva or aranguez and wait 5-7days before you get it back.

With a rented tank you can just drop off and collect another one and be on your way.

If you intend on buying multiple tanks then this wont probably be an issue.

Rent is dead money, I think I will buy one

Correct. I bought two from the guy who sells gas by aranguez Savannah.

[pugboy]

Yeah, I rented the big steel co2 tank and only refilled like every 2-3 years
I basically lost the deposit and more in rent compared to buying my own soda type aluminum tank

[Lance]

Yeah I think this is the main deciding factor.

It really depends on how often you intend to refill.

I do quite a bit of stainless steel Tig welding. With a large furick cup I flow about 20-22 cfh and then another 4-5 cfh for back purging. I eat through gas like crazy.

Probably some time down the road I can afford to have multiple 220cf owned tanks.

Yeah, I rented the big steel co2 tank and only refilled like every 2-3 years
I basically lost the deposit and more in rent compared to buying my own soda type aluminum tank

[pugboy]

like you walking the cup and ting
send some pics of your beads

[Lance]

I'll take some shots of the next project. Current mocking it up now.

Some Subaru headers using 304 Stainless.

[MG Man]

Bumping for advice
Got an older Miller Maxstar 300LX on a deal. Practically new
No TIG torch, cables, hoses, nada, just the unit
Previously I had a cheap fluxcore, so never had to deal with buying gas etc
So looking for advice on what, where, and how much, including argon

[adnj]

You need Ar for TIG welding. You will need a bottle (rent or buy) and a regulator. You can stick weld also.

Edoos, SSL, etc., will have a regulator, cables and TIG torch. I would guess about $200 for an Ar regulator but not sure on the cables because of quality, amperage and length.

If you plan on SMAW, you could do most of your welding with a stick until you are sure that the machine works well. You will use the same ground cable and clamp for TIG.

[pugboy]

Looks like a badass rig there.

You might want to bring down your own bottle because igl only rents the huge bottles which are a pain to carry and you pay a monthly rental which will likely equate to the cost of buying your own.

[Lance]

The challenge with owning a bottle is the turn around time. 4-7 days

[MG Man]

yeah, a couple ppl I know have two bottles for that reason

[Lance]

Yeah this is ideal.

Hopefully I can reach a point where I can have two own bottles.

I refilled a rented bottle a few days ago - very stringent process due to COVID (btw)

I only just cleared out my rental tab after ~16months. Came up to about $350.

I must say, it burned a little - but overall wasn't a bad price.

yeah, a couple ppl I know have two bottles for that reason

[MG Man]

yeah covid put a damper on things. Watching my expenditures so might be a couple months before I start putting everything together

[pugboy]

you must weld a lot to need to bottles.

I only weld for a hobby and cleared my deposit and more after over 2 years, shoulda buy my own bottle from the start.

Yeah this is ideal.

Hopefully I can reach a point where I can have two own bottles.

I refilled a rented bottle a few days ago - very stringent process due to COVID (btw)

I only just cleared out my rental tab after ~16months. Came up to about $350.

I must say, it burned a little - but overall wasn't a bad price.

yeah, a couple ppl I know have two bottles for that reason

[MG Man]

you must weld a lot to need to bottles.

I only weld for a hobby and cleared my deposit and more after over 2 years, shoulda buy my own bottle from the start.

Yeah this is ideal.

Hopefully I can reach a point where I can have two own bottles.

I refilled a rented bottle a few days ago - very stringent process due to COVID (btw)

I only just cleared out my rental tab after ~16months. Came up to about $350.

I must say, it burned a little - but overall wasn't a bad price.

yeah, a couple ppl I know have two bottles for that reason

cool
I will def start with one bottle, and see how it goes from there

[Dave-ve]

Imported my own 20lb bottle. cost 1500. Haven't gotten around to filling it yet.

[MG Man]

sea freight?

[Dave-ve]

yes. via Tropical Express

[Lance]

I bought a 110cf from Massy gas for about 2k.

[Lance]

I Tig weld reactive metals quite alot (mostly stainless but a little inconel and titanium).

So a great deal of my argon is spent on postflow and backpurging.

[Ted_v2]

I bought a 110cf from Massy gas for about 2k.

thats not to bad actually, thats a aluminum bottle?

[Lance]

Nah it's one of the standard heavy iron bottles. Just smaller than the usual 220cf that they rent.


I only use it for mobile jobs now.

I bought a 110cf from Massy gas for about 2k.

thats not to bad actually, thats a aluminum bottle?