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Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby abducted » July 8th, 2016, 11:33 am

This is real funny,
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Postby 3stagevtec » July 8th, 2016, 12:34 pm

Satire at its finest..

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby skylinechild » July 8th, 2016, 12:40 pm

OP should email kevin baldeosingh at the address provided and give thy angst....

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Miktay » July 8th, 2016, 12:45 pm

infidel that I am...jessica alba...una latina con mucho plata....mm....mmm...mm


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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby MaxPower » July 8th, 2016, 1:44 pm

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that being approved to be printed on Eid.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby sMASH » July 8th, 2016, 1:55 pm

real fb beat up ensued, from just the people i have added. i want to tell them don't feed the trolls, but they wouldn't understand.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Ronaldo95163 » July 8th, 2016, 1:55 pm

LOOOOOOOOOOOL this is too much :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was d problem here tho???

Ollyur never travel in a maxi/plane etc and it have a Muslim in it in full garb and get bummy af???

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Postby shady23 » July 10th, 2016, 4:01 pm

ROFL@wear tents.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby SR » July 10th, 2016, 6:33 pm

Very poor taste to print that on eid

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Postby RBphoto » July 10th, 2016, 8:49 pm

Muslims could take a chill pill. Nothing printed there is false.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby fouljuice » July 10th, 2016, 9:57 pm

Good read.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Deadric » July 10th, 2016, 10:03 pm

The backlash is a bit concerning.

https://www.the-newshub.com/media/why-p ... ping-world

Why Press Freedom Matters in the Developing World
A war on words is a war on the western values of freedom, equality and skepticism. These three values have been the bedrock of western civilization and because of them, the west has been able to achieve tremendous levels of development in all fields. Recently, however, censorship is being embraced to staggering degrees. Ideas are becoming more and more immune to criticism, and it shall not be long before we find ourselves drowning in an ocean of political correctness, afraid of asking the hard questions which are the impetus for meaningful change, because of our phobia for ruffling a few feathers or enduring angry glares. That day would be the end of the west.

It is Friday 8th July, 2016 and it is a sad day for Trinidad and Tobago; not because of bloodshed or road carnage, but because of the loss of a freedom.

From its inception, our press has enjoyed the necessary freedom to investigate, report on and analyze the goings on of our nation and world, but today, the Trinidad and Tobago Guardian has issued an apology for publishing a column deemed "offensive" by a handful of members of the public.

Two days ago, on the Muslim holiday, Eid-ul-Fitr, Guardian columnist, Kevin Baldeosingh, published a satirical article in the Trinidad and Tobago Guardian, criticizing Islamic terrorism and suggesting ways to avoid being killed by Islamists. He was bashed by the Muslim community and several Muslim citizens began demanding apologies from the newspaper's editor-in-chief, Mr Orin Gordon.

One Mr Ismail Barton, who was explicit about his lack of appreciation for Baldeosingh's humour, published an open letter to Guardian Media Limited, expressing his views. He argued that a respectable media organization would not have published Baldeosingh's article, especially on the Muslim holiday, because it was "offensive" and "in poor taste."

Instead of defending press freedom and standing by their journalist, The Guardian replied with the apology below.

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The terrifying trend of censorship is not unique to Trinidad and Tobago.

It was evident after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January 2015, where the magazine's director of publication , Stéphane Charbonnier, along with ten others were slaughtered by Yemeni Islamists (AQAP) for drawing "offensive"cartoons of the prophet Mohammed. Questions equivalent to "Did they bring it upon themselves by drawing the cartoons?" were asked, while the world was showing solidarity through the hashtag #JeSuisCharlie.

It was evident when cartoons of the prophet Mohammed were published in Danish magazine, Jyllands-Posten and a popular response to the myriad of international violent protests, after imams with agendas spread misinformation, was that the magazine "should have respected Islam."

It is evident when social justice warriors label people as racists and sexists for disagreeing with them and criticizing ideas.

It is evident when #notallmuslims is used as a gas-lighting tactic by moderate Muslims, plagued by cognitive dissonance and ashamed of what their braver counterparts do; or when Islamic apologists use terrorist attacks in non-western countries, as opportunities to divide the world and bash the west, by suggesting that alleged white supremacy and modern day imperialism force us to think that some lives matter more than others.

Censorship is a slippery slope into an inescapable pit. Not only is it thought policing; but it creates a sociopolitical climate that incubates authoritarianism, barbarism and dishonesty, by protecting ideas from the criticism that is required to maintain a successful society. Criticism is like an art curator. When it is employed, there comes with it a special class. Censorship is the equivalent of passive thuggery and it is especially detrimental in the developing world.

In small-island developing states like Trinidad and Tobago, we still have a long way to go in order to achieve ideals such as complete equality before the law for homosexuals, legislation to protect women's reproductive rights and the separation of church and state. Irreverent columnists like Kevin Baldeosingh are essential to our development, because they ask uncomfortable questions and express unique, unpopular and sensible views.

We have an opportunity to be pioneers in our own destiny, by avoiding the pitfalls that lead to failed states, economic instability and archaic social and political standards. We have the opportunity, through Kevin and people like him, to wrestle with the uncomfortable from the get go, to foster tolerance through the curation of ideas and to rid ourselves of the poison of hyper-sensitivity, which removes any chance of honest, objective discussion on controversial topics. Allowing offence, which is completely subjective and based in emotionalism (as opposed to rationalism), to dictate the views that can and cannot be expressed and silence dissidents, is to chop off our nose to please our hand.

Subsequent to the apology from the Guardian's editor, several Muslims, led by popular businessman, Mr Inshan Ishmael, continued to express dissatisfaction, implying that The Guardian should be boycotted if Kevin and the editor-in-chief are not fired. In one Facebook post, he calls for Muslims to join him in contacting persons who have purchased advertisements from the newspaper, to urge them to remove their advertisements. In other posts, he resorts to name calling and ridicule.

This is proof that when you give censorship an inch, it will demand blood sweat and tears, but will never be satisfied. It is the embodiment of the Sufi proverb:

"Pick up a bee from kindness and learn the limitations of kindness."

If I ever needed to shout one of my mantras to the top of my lungs, it is now. You cannot invite termites to a party in a wooden house and expect them to play fair. They will eat the floor from right under you and feel no remorse. It is just what they do.

In essence, the apology by The Trinidad and Tobago Guardian today was a step in the wrong direction. We should all do our best to protect freedom of expression and freedom of the press. Our well-being and the success of our society depends heavily upon our ability and willingness to protect the values that foster development. Are we on a slippery slope into political correctness and societal stagnation?

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Redman » July 10th, 2016, 10:22 pm

If our Muslims were serious all now so he dead.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Team Loco » July 10th, 2016, 10:50 pm

Poorly done. Free speech yes. But the fact is to print on eid. Not very smart for a biz

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby sMASH » July 10th, 2016, 10:59 pm

To print it on eid, u would have sworn pioneer was the editor to make that decision. Any publicity is good publicity... just trying to drum up attention, when It worked.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby South African » July 11th, 2016, 1:15 am

Trinidad loves to feel included in everything...
1) No ISIS or muslim extremist gives a flying f*^k about Trinidad , nothing benifical to them....
2) Racism #blacklives matter# Trinidadians never experienced anytype crazy type of racism only petty nonsense :) . . . I live in a country where hundreds of blacks are kill in the most horrendous of ways daily by cops and non blacks ... Black people are not allowed in certain parts or the country, there is a high chance of a black person being killed if seen in a non-black area after hours. Black people are denied education in most of the established schools, blacks are not allowed in certain hospitals... Black people get a lower salary than a non-black employees fucntioning at same capacity as them (Could be as low as 50% less)
3) Ebola was mentioned more in the news in Trinidad and was more of an issue in Trinidad than it was in countries on the African continent... Was not an issue in South Africa

My point is , as a nation we (Trinidadians) have alot of real problems to worry about rather than worrying, stressing and losing focus over issues that wont even affect us. By focussing on multiple none related sheit , we are loosing eyesight on resolving Trinidad's real issues.

Ok back to the point lol, this is a sheity day to approve such an article... uncalled for

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Daran » July 11th, 2016, 5:52 am

Somewhat funny, but Kevin comes across like an atheist with a chip on his shoulder. Like her get horn by a Muslim girl or something.

I'd prefer he tackle real atheist/science issues (which he does) rather than trying to be an aggravator. I suspect he uses his 'satire' as a shield to deflect genuine criticism from smarter atheist and scientists.

That said, he and guardian have some balls publishing that article on Eid.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby coltspeed » July 11th, 2016, 7:17 am

No apologies accepted!!!
Just follow up with similar articles for Hindus and So-Called-Christians and other religious holidays to the same effect.
Eye for an eye business. Should be fair enough.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby HSA » July 11th, 2016, 7:21 am

Kevin begging for trouble...this isnt the first time he has offended muslims but in the past they let it go...i guess not this time...

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Dizzy28 » July 11th, 2016, 9:03 am

coltspeed wrote:No apologies accepted!!!
Just follow up with similar articles for Hindus and So-Called-Christians and other religious holidays to the same effect.
Eye for an eye business. Should be fair enough.


Just issue him the same fatwa as Rushdie and done with it!!!

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Miktay » July 11th, 2016, 9:12 am

Daran wrote:Somewhat funny, but Kevin comes across like an atheist with a chip on his shoulder. Like her get horn by a Muslim girl or something.

I'd prefer he tackle real atheist/science issues (which he does) rather than trying to be an aggravator. I suspect he uses his 'satire' as a shield to deflect genuine criticism from smarter atheist and scientists.

That said, he and guardian have some balls publishing that article on Eid.


KB typifies liberal news journalism where freedom of the press iz deemed absolute & above all else.

Sbody s/remind him he living in T&T not the EU or US. Locals ent running after frivolous causes (i.e. climate change/environmentalism, pure equality, socialism etc) no more.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Les Bain » July 11th, 2016, 10:41 am

Something different with Guardian cause there was a minor FB beatup after they published a story about Manning abandoned church becoming a bulling spot. I think it was published on his burial day or the day after.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby coltspeed » July 11th, 2016, 11:24 am

Team Loco wrote:Guardian apologised again today

http://digital.guardian.co.tt/?iid=144095#folio=20


They already made their point and got across their hatred-fear / joke,
and they're apologizing like if they actually care!!!
Typical.

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Spitfir3 » July 11th, 2016, 11:38 am

coltspeed wrote:No apologies accepted!!!
Just follow up with similar articles for Hindus and So-Called-Christians and other religious holidays to the same effect.
Eye for an eye business. Should be fair enough.


why involve other religion that has nothing to do with this?

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby Dizzy28 » July 11th, 2016, 11:58 am

Spitfir3 wrote:
coltspeed wrote:No apologies accepted!!!
Just follow up with similar articles for Hindus and So-Called-Christians and other religious holidays to the same effect.
Eye for an eye business. Should be fair enough.


why involve other religion that has nothing to do with this?


Because Religion of Peace!!!

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby SR » July 11th, 2016, 7:21 pm

Lol guardian only apoligise again for buisness reasons..... think if how many muslim advertisers pulling ads out of the guardian now as well as drop in sales

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Re: Guardian Newspaper: "How not to be killed by Islamists"

Postby pugboy » July 11th, 2016, 7:56 pm

I used to read baldeosingh every week up to a few years ago,
He is no longer funny for a while now.

Similarly with bc pires,
Both of them went stale and trying too hard
Baldeosingh in this case seems to be copying the hebdo style

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