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Trinidad Murder HeatMap

Postby Daran » April 29th, 2016, 10:42 am

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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20160428/news/murders-everywhere&nocache=1
Murders in Trinidad and Tobago are no longer happening in specific “hot spot” regions. The bleeding is happening across the country.
The majority of the homicides, however, continue to be recorded in the nation's capital, Port of Spain.
Criminologist Prof Ramesh Deosaran said the figures show once again the challenge of urban crimes by relatively young males.
And he linked the rise in crime to a deficiency in the education system.
Deosaran noted that a large portion of the population felt hopeless. But the solution remained in the ability to undertake proper action both in terms of improved policy making, consensus and a deep politicisation of fighting crime, he said.
Deosaran said: “The figures show once again, but in this year in more dramatic ways, the challenge of urban crimes by relatively young males is very serious and it is linked to the product from a deficiency in the education system.”
A map showing murders recorded in 2016 points to areas in the capital city, parts of East Trinidad, Chaguanas and San Fernando as recording the most homicides.
Murders have been recorded in every police division in Trinidad this year.
Deosaran said: “We have to look at crimes in these areas not only in terms of the statistics and policing but it is a whole breakdown in the social fabric of urban communities. That is, the periphery of the city in Port of Spain is a serious challenge to public safety now and the figures show that.”
The remedy, he said, would include effective policing both in terms of partnering with community policing and effective law enforcement. He said effective sentencing policy and quick trials would affect the spiralling crime rate, as without support from the justice system all the efforts by policing will be diminished.
Deosaran said the problem of congestion in the prisons was also a concern and the criminal justice system must take responsibility.
“Even if the police improve their performance and detection rate, we have an outstanding problem of imprisonment. The more people you arrest, especially putting them without bail in remand yard, you creating another congestion problem at the very end. So while the murders are very startling, the deficiency in the detection rate, as well as the rise in the murder rate, the causes have to be also attributed to the criminal justice system and the rapid rise in that is those who commit serious crimes not being held and continue to commit other serious crimes,” he said.
The murder toll stood at 152 yesterday, while several deaths are not yet categorised. Factor in the number of unidentified homicide victims, and the missing and presumed dead, the homicide rate is probably much higher.
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Re: Trinidad Murder Map

Postby Miktay » April 29th, 2016, 11:30 am

No murders in Tobag-oh?

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Postby Daran » April 29th, 2016, 11:54 am

Maybe Tobago Police don't have GPS

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Re: Trinidad Murder HeatMap

Postby Habit7 » April 29th, 2016, 12:08 pm

Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.

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makes sense, ppl hate ppl.

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A Tsunami will solve all of the problems

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Postby Dizzy28 » April 29th, 2016, 1:06 pm

Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.


Also shows a correlation to seats held by the PNM!!

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Postby Habit7 » April 29th, 2016, 1:54 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.


Also shows a correlation to seats held by the PNM!!

Yes PNM disseminates monthly guides on how to murder rival gang members, stab up drunken friends and chop up your unfaithful gf.

UNC did the same when they had EW corridor seats. They continuing today though in Chaguanas East.




Either that or PNM has a niche in urban communities and UNC has a niche in rural areas. But I still believe they give out how to guides on murder though.

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Re: Trinidad Murder HeatMap

Postby Daran » April 29th, 2016, 3:43 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.


Also shows a correlation to seats held by the PNM!!


Well what you can draw from this map is that is that the murders are predominantly an EW coridor thing with Laventille, Morvant etc having by far the highest concentration of murders

It does not correlate strongly to either population density nor PNM areas. But it probably does correlatr strong with black areas of low socioeconomic status (captain obvious).

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Postby rspann » April 29th, 2016, 4:34 pm

Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.

Habit, we can't always bury our heads in the sand. The young black boys are the ones killing the most and have the most guns. They are found predominantly in these areas ,mostly ghetto, and these areas are predominantly PNM. We have to wake up as leaders and address this. Morvant ,Laventille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sando, etc.

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Postby Spitfir3 » April 29th, 2016, 4:46 pm

drop a bomb right in the middle.....................wait

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Postby ruffneck_12 » April 29th, 2016, 5:06 pm

goddamnit guayaguayare get your head in the game

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Postby Habit7 » April 29th, 2016, 6:07 pm

rspann wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.

Habit, we can't always bury our heads in the sand. The young black boys are the ones killing the most and have the most guns. They are found predominantly in these areas ,mostly ghetto, and these areas are predominantly PNM. We have to wake up as leaders and address this. Morvant ,Laventille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sando, etc.

Burying your head in the sand is blaming politicians the deliberate conscious action of individuals.

The most PNM, low to middle class, African part of the country is Tobago. It is also the least murderous. So while for you and others it is easy just to blame PNM for ghettos that existed before 1956 but count residents of Westmoorings, Moka, Cascade, Valsayn, Gulf View and Bel Air personally responsible for their own wealth, I have a demographics and human geography textbook to sell you.

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Postby Dizzy28 » April 29th, 2016, 8:44 pm

Habit7 wrote:
rspann wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.

Habit, we can't always bury our heads in the sand. The young black boys are the ones killing the most and have the most guns. They are found predominantly in these areas ,mostly ghetto, and these areas are predominantly PNM. We have to wake up as leaders and address this. Morvant ,Laventille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sando, etc.

Burying your head in the sand is blaming politicians the deliberate conscious action of individuals.

The most PNM, low to middle class, African part of the country is Tobago. It is also the least murderous. So while for you and others it is easy just to blame PNM for ghettos that existed before 1956 but count residents of Westmoorings, Moka, Cascade, Valsayn, Gulf View and Bel Air personally responsible for their own wealth, I have a demographics and human geography textbook to sell you.

Are you serious???........1986, 1991, 1995, 2010.PNM voted out of Tobago. The most PNM of seats are the three that vote for them in 1986 and never voted for anybody else in any election in this country's post independent history.

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Postby Habit7 » April 29th, 2016, 10:02 pm

That is good history but I'm talking about now. The Tobago council of the PNM just completed a beaver trick of terms with a recent 12-0 victory. Even now PNM stalwarts climbing out of the woodwork to get to be council leader which is a sure THA chief secretary because PNM will win again next year.
Last elections PNM got 75% of the all Tobago votes against 5 competitors just like KPB got 75% in Siparia.
Point is, Tobago is very PNM and very safe (statistically).

It is funny how when UNC win seats EW corridor like St. Joseph and Arima, it is a sign that they rejecting the PNM. But when crime escalates it is quickly referred back to as PNM seats in which they pass out their how to guides for murder.

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Postby rspann » April 30th, 2016, 7:49 am

For a man with a degree,you never cease to amaze me with your lack of comprehension. Show me where I blamed the PNM for ghettos, or where I praised any body from west moorings for anything. The problem is mainly in tha ghetto areas and among the poorer blacks, and their areas are PNM. You ,just like all other black mis- leaders always divert the attention away from that topic, that is why the problem still exists. Yesterday there were three more murders, one in Carenage, one in Bagatelle and one in Tunapuna market. They were three black men ,in three PNM areas and from all accounts it was not three Indians who went in there and killed them. BTW, how do you prevent the sand from going in your nose, and how do you get it out of your hair? Or do you just keep it buried in the sand?

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Postby Daran » April 30th, 2016, 7:54 am

Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.


It's quite telling that Habit7's first response (before any race or politics was mentioned) was a pretty ignorant attempt to indicate a correlation to population density.

meccalli wrote:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042812010750


Good and relavent info meccalli.

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Postby rspann » April 30th, 2016, 8:05 am

The black cockers movement ( yes I know it is caucus) doing the same thing, focussing on the monetary aspect of progression and liberation for black people but not on their development . If the problems of young black vulnerable males are addressed properly and head on ,in the future we are sure to see some drop in violent crime.
When Dr Rowley was in opposition he alluded to it in parliament while talking In sep 2011, and said he was deemed racist when he spoke about it in 2002 when he sided with the UNC (they wanted to use COSTATT to achieve the said purpose).

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Postby Habit7 » April 30th, 2016, 9:46 am

Daran wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.


It's quite telling that Habit7's first response (before any race or politics was mentioned) was a pretty ignorant attempt to indicate a correlation to population density.

meccalli wrote:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042812010750


Good and relavent info meccalli.

I wasn't ignorant, I was being sarcastic.

This has nothing to do with BCM or whoever else you have it out for. There are more factors that influence crime and violence that have nothing to do with race and politics.

Population density, age structure, unemployment, tertiary education, no. of females, poverty, wealth, police arrests and other factors come into play. While it might be simplistic for rspann and others to classify it as 'poor black PNM youths', there are other areas of poor black youths (whose community votes PNM as the youths really could care less) and are hardworking, law abiding citizens. This is not problem unique to TT, this is experienced all over the world.

Also classifying our problem as 'black youth in PNM areas' we would have to overlook incidents like this week not too far from me in Duncan Village where 3 Indian men got into an argument and one shot and killed one and wounded another. So let us look at all factors, and not look at it through political and racial lens.

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Postby sMASH » April 30th, 2016, 10:55 am

That looking more like population density and social economics than anything else. Yes they may be poor and black. Which means they have not developed as well as other places. Whether that is due to mentality or opportunity could be rectified by the law.

But this goes to show, that you should not have such centralization going on. U need to break down the importance of PoS, and diffuse the boiling pot.

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Postby 1UZFE » April 30th, 2016, 1:18 pm

rspann wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.

Habit, we can't always bury our heads in the sand. The young black boys are the ones killing the most and have the most guns. They are found predominantly in these areas ,mostly ghetto, and these areas are predominantly PNM. We have to wake up as leaders and address this. Morvant ,Laventille, Beetham, Enterprise, Sando, etc.

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Postby Advent » April 30th, 2016, 2:38 pm

Habit7 wrote:Wow murders heat map shows an almost direct correlation to a population density map.

Ofc it correlates

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Re: Trinidad Murder HeatMap

Postby lostboys crew » April 30th, 2016, 5:49 pm

PPL forgetting Tobagonians aren't pricks like we Trinidadians . They tend to be more laid back and less hostile. If Trinidadians followed suit there would be less hostility towards one another and less killings.

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Postby sMASH » April 30th, 2016, 6:03 pm

^^ they just like to chop white people

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Postby GixxerMan » April 30th, 2016, 6:32 pm

sMASH wrote:^^ they just like to chop white people


and blame Indo Trinis for the non development of tobago...

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Postby rspann » April 30th, 2016, 8:26 pm

You know, when Dr Rowley said the same thing that I am saying, it was members of the PNM ,he said ,were the ones who called him racist.

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Postby Numb3r4 » April 30th, 2016, 9:13 pm

That map is available on Google Maps, or was the data superimposed onto it?

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Postby Numb3r4 » April 30th, 2016, 9:13 pm

This conversation went south fast.....

Thank God the crime didn't.

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