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Postby Habit7 » January 20th, 2021, 1:37 pm

You are saying it yourself, they are white extremists. Extremists on either side whether Conservative or Liberal do not exemplify the whole. If they did they won't be extremist, they will be mainstream.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-po ... d-to-riots

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Postby teems1 » January 20th, 2021, 1:46 pm

Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg


Does proof mean nothing to the right?

The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.

To end police brutality towards black people. There was a boatload of proof via videos, pictures, eyewitness accounts that black people were unjustly killed by the police.

Where's the proof the Capitol stormers have that the election was being stolen via fraud? The president didn't have any, just kept on ranting on twitter to stop the steal without giving any concrete evidence.

They stormed the Capitol on a megalomaniac's tweet and deserved what they get.

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Postby adnj » January 20th, 2021, 1:52 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?

I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334




Habit7 wrote:You are saying it yourself, they are white extremists. Extremists on either side whether Conservative or Liberal do not exemplify the whole. If they did they won't be extremist, they will be mainstream.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-po ... d-to-riots


I believe that it's time:

1. For you to read what you are typing before posting.
2. For you to read articles that you are citing
3. For you to understand that our conversation on this matter has reached an end.

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Postby Habit7 » January 20th, 2021, 2:44 pm

teems1 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg


Does proof mean nothing to the right?

The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.

Both BLM protest and the Capitol Riots had motives but had dubious facts backing it.
There are studies backing the notion of Systemic Racism in policing and there are studies challenging it. At the end of the day it is subjective and is not absolute like who won an election. But it doesn't justify looting businesses (many of them minority owned), destroying property and creating autonomous zones where Black ppl are further killed. Violent BLM protests disproportionally and negatively affect minority communities more than White communities

Likewise, while there were small irregularities in the voting. There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. Trump egged on his supporters to march on the Capitol with the clear intention to stop the Congress certification. He was wrong.

But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 20th, 2021, 3:03 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?

I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334

2:42 p.m. • Inside the Capitol
Group stops to pray
https://projects.propublica.org/parler- ... aaoVqC5BVQ
lots more videos on that page too

Many groups storming the Capitol carried Gadsden Flags and symbols - a symbol adopted by conservative and tea party groups in recent years

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Re: All Things US Politics Related in a Trump run White House.

Postby MaxPower » January 20th, 2021, 3:06 pm

Habit7 wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg


Does proof mean nothing to the right?

The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.

Both BLM protest and the Capitol Riots had motives but had dubious facts backing it.
There are studies backing the notion of Systemic Racism in policing and there are studies challenging it. At the end of the day it is subjective and is not absolute like who won an election. But it doesn't justify looting businesses (many of them minority owned), destroying property and creating autonomous zones where Black ppl are further killed. Violent BLM protests disproportionally and negatively affect minority communities more than White communities

Likewise, while there were small irregularities in the voting. There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. Trump egged on his supporters to march on the Capitol with the clear intention to stop the Congress certification. He was wrong.

But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.

138069594_10159043271993189_705742527995399754_n.jpg


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Postby Habit7 » January 20th, 2021, 3:42 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?

I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334

2:42 p.m. • Inside the Capitol
Group stops to pray
https://projects.propublica.org/parler- ... aaoVqC5BVQ
lots more videos on that page too

Many groups storming the Capitol carried Gadsden Flags and symbols - a symbol adopted by conservative and tea party groups in recent years

I guess if some Unitarians pray at a gay pride parade it makes them and everyone attending conservatives? Especially since the rainbow was historically a Christian symbol.

The point is, there was widespread condemnation from Conservative politicians, leaders and groups.

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Postby teems1 » January 20th, 2021, 4:24 pm

Habit7 wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg


Does proof mean nothing to the right?

The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.

Both BLM protest and the Capitol Riots had motives but had dubious facts backing it.
There are studies backing the notion of Systemic Racism in policing and there are studies challenging it. At the end of the day it is subjective and is not absolute like who won an election. But it doesn't justify looting businesses (many of them minority owned), destroying property and creating autonomous zones where Black ppl are further killed. Violent BLM protests disproportionally and negatively affect minority communities more than White communities

Likewise, while there were small irregularities in the voting. There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. Trump egged on his supporters to march on the Capitol with the clear intention to stop the Congress certification. He was wrong.

But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.

138069594_10159043271993189_705742527995399754_n.jpg


There is nothing dubious about video footage of a police officer's knee on a man screaming he can't breathe. There is only one way to interpret this.

Also the reason there is condemnation from both sides, is that the US Capitol is the seat of power in the US. A neighbourhood Target or Best Buy isn't.

The small businesses will recover, the damage to the US democracy after the insurrection will be another stain on an already ruined legacy, which may take years to undo as 45 managed to brainwash his followers.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 20th, 2021, 4:40 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?

I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334

2:42 p.m. • Inside the Capitol
Group stops to pray
https://projects.propublica.org/parler- ... aaoVqC5BVQ
lots more videos on that page too

Many groups storming the Capitol carried Gadsden Flags and symbols - a symbol adopted by conservative and tea party groups in recent years

I guess if some Unitarians pray at a gay pride parade it makes them and everyone attending conservatives? Especially since the rainbow was historically a Christian symbol.

The point is, there was widespread condemnation from Conservative politicians, leaders and groups.

Some of those politicians incited it and then condemned it throwing the protesters under the bus.
Did Trump pardon any of the rioters who followed him?

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Postby adnj » January 20th, 2021, 7:51 pm

Evidence shows well-laid plan by some Capitol insurrectionists

An FBI affidavit described preparations by the Proud Boys to storm the Capitol, including using earpieces and walkie-talkies to direct movements through the building.

By KYLE CHENEY and JOSH GERSTEIN

01/20/2021 03:58 PM EST

Updated: 01/20/2021 06:22 PM EST

Federal investigators have begun piecing together evidence that some of the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 were executing well-laid plans, deploying communications systems and issuing marching orders to rioters as they battled police.

A new affidavit filed Tuesday by the FBI described preparations by the right-wing Proud Boys to storm the Capitol, including using earpieces and walkie-talkies to direct movements throughout the building and a discussion about wearing black to dupe people into blaming antifa for any trouble.

A separate criminal filing released Wednesday afternoon — charging Patrick McCaughey III for pinning a police officer with a shield, which led to a now-iconic image of the brutality of the insurrection — described leaders among the rioters issuing marching orders to more effectively fight police.

“Unidentified rioters are heard instructing the front line of rioters to make a ‘shield wall‘ to prevent law enforcement from controlling rioters with oleoresin capsicum spray,“ according to the affidavit from a deputy U.S. marshal.

At a hearing on McCaughey’s case on Wednesday afternoon, a federal magistrate judge in White Plains, N.Y., ordered the 23-year-old Connecticut native detained pending trial on charges of assaulting police officers, civil disorder, entering a restricted building or grounds, and violent entry or disorderly conduct. The ruling to hold McCaughey without bail came after prosecutors emphasized the level of coordination in the attack.

“Mob is not the right term, because there’s a level of organization here that bears noting,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Benjamin Gianforti said. “The rioters are swapping in people here who are fresh. They’re passing weaponry to the front of the scrum to use against officers.”

The new court filings were the latest indications that the Jan. 6 riots included cells of organized, militarized insurrectionists, beyond the rabble of disorganized Trump supporters who joined the fray. That evidence includes the conspiracy case filed this week against three so-called Oath Keepers, members of an Ohio-based chapter of the loosely connected paramilitary group, who face charges of seeking to injure police officers, obstruct Congress and damage federal property.

FBI and Justice Department officials have emphasized in recent days that they expect the investigation to lead to grave criminal charges that could include seditious conspiracy. But the early rush of criminal complaints has focused largely on trespassing, disorderly conduct and impeding police — charges that prosecutors say were the fastest and most sure-fire way to bring some of the rioters into custody while more detailed and damning cases are developed.

Then-President Donald Trump was impeached during his final week in office for inciting the violent insurrection. Many participants in the riots openly cited Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen as a basis for their decision to storm the Capitol. Trump urged the crowd to march on the Capitol and later told the rioters “we love you” — asking them to go home peacefully — even as lawmakers and then-Vice President Mike Pence were sheltering amid the violence. Though some pleaded with Trump for pardons, citing his encouragement of the event, Trump left office without moving to shield himself or the participants in the riots from the legal fallout.

The latest round of filings included charges against Joseph Biggs, whom the FBI describes as a Proud Boys “organizer.” According to the affidavit, Biggs encouraged other members of the group to attend the Jan. 6 events in D.C. and echoed Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio’s suggestion that they dress to appear like adherents of antifa, a violent left-wing movement.

Biggs was also on the front lines of the group that first breached the Capitol, according to the FBI, along with Dominic Pezzola, another Proud Boys member who was charged for his role in the assault earlier in the week.

“In one image … Pezzola appears to have what I believe to be an earpiece or communication device in his right ear,” says the unnamed FBI agent who filed the case. “Your affiant also notes that multiple individuals were photographed or depicted on videos with earpieces, including other individuals believed to be associated with the Proud Boys.”

The agent also noted that Biggs and other Proud Boys used walkie-talkies during the siege. Biggs spoke to FBI agents after he was identified in videos and “denied having any knowledge of any pre-planning of storming the Capitol, and had no idea who planned it.”

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/ ... lan-460836

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Postby MaxPower » January 20th, 2021, 8:12 pm

This Capitol riot people beating up over is nothing compared to what BLM did to America.

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Postby De Dragon » January 20th, 2021, 9:09 pm

Habit7 wrote:You are saying it yourself, they are white extremists. Extremists on either side whether Conservative or Liberal do not exemplify the whole. If they did they won't be extremist, they will be mainstream.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-po ... d-to-riots

So 75% of republicans who responded that they didn't believe that Biden won fairly is a minority?
The dummies who took the chain up were stupid and deserve jail, but the dummies you really have to fear are that 75%.

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Postby redmanjp » January 20th, 2021, 9:35 pm

so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate

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Postby De Dragon » January 20th, 2021, 9:40 pm

redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate

You serious? 1st Amendment guarantees assembling, whipping up, and letting a mob loose? No wonder Abu get away scot free :roll:

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Postby adnj » January 20th, 2021, 10:42 pm

redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate


The short answer in the US is, yes. The US Constitution expressly allows for laws that restrict the rights of an individual or group with respect to freedom of speech or expression that directly results in a violent assembly or acts.

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Demonstrations that lack the proper permits, or run outside of pre-designated areas may be deemed a riot, or the related offense of unlawful assembly, which typically involves peaceful but unpermitted demonstrations.

Apart from the charge of rioting, which covers the destructive or disruptive acts themselves, there are a number of associated crimes that may also be charged.

Incitement to riot is when a person encourages others to commit a breach of the peace without necessarily acting themselves. This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.

Conspiracy to riot involves planning acts that, if undertaken, would result in a breach of the peace. However, conspiracy convictions usually require the defendant to have undertaken an overt act in furtherance of their plan.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-c ... he%20peace.

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Postby shogun » January 21st, 2021, 12:32 am

Habit7 wrote:But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.

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"Widespread" and "All" are two different things.

It's also sad that that very same "widespread condemnation" couldn't lead to 147 of those same "Conservative leaders" not still objecting to the election results and continuing to parrot the lies that Trump was pushing, and continuing to feed the anger and mistrust that led to the riot in the first place?

Also, I remember a few Democratic leaders condemning the violence and looting and saying how much it hurt the point of the protests. Newly inaugurated president (Biden) himself being one of them. So saying that no Democratic leaders condemned the violence/looting is false.

The truth of the matter is the vast majority of BLM protests have been peaceful. And I don't remember reading anything about BLM members resorting to pipe bombs and having plans to hang the vice president and probably kidnap and murder officials, like some in the rioters' "movement" were convicted of plotting to in Michigan? Or did I miss that?

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/


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Postby sMASH » January 21st, 2021, 5:57 am

I like that they march down there. But like stated above, is a restricted area not a regular public area. So u have to face up to the Consequences.

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Postby MaxPower » January 21st, 2021, 7:39 am

shogun wrote:The truth of the matter is the vast majority of BLM protests have been peaceful. And I don't remember reading anything about BLM members resorting to pipe bombs and having plans to hang the vice president and probably kidnap and murder officials, like some in the rioters' "movement" were convicted of plotting to in Michigan? Or did I miss that?

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/



Hello shogun,

You are absolutely correct my good man. The vast majority of the BLM protests have been peaceful but your new report failed to mention the $1-2 BILLION USD dollars in damages making it the most expensive civil unrest in history.

Your BLM riot supporting 93% percentage increased drastically as protests went on for 7 months. So loot and the first few weeks, full your belly and then peacefully protest for the remainder of months? Well duh the percentage of “peace” must be high but the damage was already done. E.g - The Sean Luke killers only savagely/brutally raped once in their life so they are 99% good boys so that makes them generally innocent?

Now there is a difference between a riot and a protest and i noticed you referred BLM only as a protest and the Capitol only as a riot lol. You cannot compare your remarkable 93% peaceful protests to the riot at Capitol city. Compare your BLM riotS to the Capitol RioT. Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened. What about the BLM supporters present in the Capitol?

I understand all that you’re saying but BLM took lives, destroyed property and promoted violence and your 93% peaceful rating is of little significance. It’s very unfortunate that the genuine BLM peaceful protestors who wanted their voice heard for a change had to endure this disturbance and the world seen them in a different light, the same goes for those at the Capitol.

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Postby alfa » January 21st, 2021, 8:16 am

MaxPower wrote:
shogun wrote:The truth of the matter is the vast majority of BLM protests have been peaceful. And I don't remember reading anything about BLM members resorting to pipe bombs and having plans to hang the vice president and probably kidnap and murder officials, like some in the rioters' "movement" were convicted of plotting to in Michigan? Or did I miss that?

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/



Hello shogun,

You are absolutely correct my good man. The vast majority of the BLM protests have been peaceful but your new report failed to mention the $1-2 BILLION USD dollars in damages making it the most expensive civil unrest in history.

Your BLM riot supporting 93% percentage increased drastically as protests went on for 7 months. So loot and the first few weeks, full your belly and then peacefully protest for the remainder of months? Well duh the percentage of “peace” must be high but the damage was already done. E.g - The Sean Luke killers only savagely/brutally raped once in their life so they are 99% good boys so that makes them generally innocent?

Now there is a difference between a riot and a protest and i noticed you referred BLM only as a protest and the Capitol only as a riot lol. You cannot compare your remarkable 93% peaceful protests to the riot at Capitol city. Compare your BLM riotS to the Capitol RioT. Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened. What about the BLM supporters present in the Capitol?

I understand all that you’re saying but BLM took lives, destroyed property and promoted violence and your 93% peaceful rating is of little significance. It’s very unfortunate that the genuine BLM peaceful protestors who wanted their voice heard for a change had to endure this disturbance and the world seen them in a different light, the same goes for those at the Capitol.

Correct Max. While I don't support the Capitol Hill rotis which were done by a handful of people anyone with half a brain could see that it was dwarfed by the riots by domestic terrorist groups BLM/Antifa. They burned down entire buildings for God's sake. They siezed and entire area blocked off the police from entering and called it CHAZ and had to call the same cops when one of those idiots accidentally shot one of their own people lol. If conservatives had claimed an area to be their own you would hear the liberal media saying that are reinacting past glories of imperial conquest or some nonsense so. And people did get killed by these terrorists. People seem to forget BLM/ NFAC keep shooting their own people due to lack of firearm safety awareness. Y'all need to lay off the CNN big time

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Postby Les Bain » January 21st, 2021, 8:49 am

alfa wrote:Correct Max. While I don't support the Capitol Hill rotis


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Postby pete » January 21st, 2021, 9:29 am

Y'all gonna gloss over the facts that right wing extremists were repsonsible for a lot of the destruction caused in the BLM protests?

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Postby sMASH » January 21st, 2021, 9:39 am

pete wrote:Y'all gonna gloss over the facts that right wing extremists were repsonsible for a lot of the destruction caused in the BLM protests?
ai the vids of the vandalism and go after those too?

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Postby redmanjp » January 21st, 2021, 10:40 am

adnj wrote:
redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate


The short answer in the US is, yes. The US Constitution expressly allows for laws that restrict the rights of an individual or group with respect to freedom of speech or expression that directly results in a violent assembly or acts.

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Demonstrations that lack the proper permits, or run outside of pre-designated areas may be deemed a riot, or the related offense of unlawful assembly, which typically involves peaceful but unpermitted demonstrations.

Apart from the charge of rioting, which covers the destructive or disruptive acts themselves, there are a number of associated crimes that may also be charged.

Incitement to riot is when a person encourages others to commit a breach of the peace without necessarily acting themselves. This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.

Conspiracy to riot involves planning acts that, if undertaken, would result in a breach of the peace. However, conspiracy convictions usually require the defendant to have undertaken an overt act in furtherance of their plan.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-c ... he%20peace.

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This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.


so it all comes down to what words specifically trump said that were meant to incite a riot or violence- and also if trump knew it would have resulted in violence- he did not say 'storm the Capitol'

add to that the evidence that this was planned in advance - the case doesn't look too strong imo

here is the full transcript of his speech that day - it specifically includes the words "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

the last paragraph where he speaks of heading to the Capitol?

"So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give … The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech
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Postby teems1 » January 21st, 2021, 11:24 am

redmanjp wrote:
adnj wrote:
redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate


The short answer in the US is, yes. The US Constitution expressly allows for laws that restrict the rights of an individual or group with respect to freedom of speech or expression that directly results in a violent assembly or acts.

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Demonstrations that lack the proper permits, or run outside of pre-designated areas may be deemed a riot, or the related offense of unlawful assembly, which typically involves peaceful but unpermitted demonstrations.

Apart from the charge of rioting, which covers the destructive or disruptive acts themselves, there are a number of associated crimes that may also be charged.

Incitement to riot is when a person encourages others to commit a breach of the peace without necessarily acting themselves. This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.

Conspiracy to riot involves planning acts that, if undertaken, would result in a breach of the peace. However, conspiracy convictions usually require the defendant to have undertaken an overt act in furtherance of their plan.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-c ... he%20peace.

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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” – The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution


This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.


so it all comes down to what words specifically trump said that were meant to incite a riot or violence- and also if trump knew it would have resulted in violence- he did not say 'storm the Capitol'

add to that the evidence that this was planned in advance - the case doesn't look too strong imo

here is the full transcript of his speech that day - it specifically includes the words "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

the last paragraph where he speaks of heading to the Capitol?

"So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give … The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech


His twitter is suspended, but people have them backed up and screenshots. On Dec 19 he tweeted

"Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

I'm not sure how "will be wild" implies peaceful.

You do know, that if you intentionally put a known pyromaniac in a house with matches and gas, you will be found guilty of arson even though you didn't specifically tell the person to burn the house down.

What Trump did was put the white supremacists and proud boys who have a history of violent behaviour on a direct path with people who he though stole the election from him.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 21st, 2021, 11:34 am

^ and had a pep rally just before

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Proud Boys sounds like members of the LGBT camp.

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Postby adnj » January 21st, 2021, 6:37 pm

Les Bain wrote:
alfa wrote:Correct Max. While I don't support the Capitol Hill rotis


:lol: :lol: :lol:


I saw that too. Spellchecker priorities.

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Postby shogun » January 22nd, 2021, 12:37 am

pete wrote:Y'all gonna gloss over the facts that right wing extremists were repsonsible for a lot of the destruction caused in the BLM protests?


Thaz the game. Pretend they didn't see article after article In this very ched debunking their BS. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing. They went from virtue signaling "blue lives matter" every time they were confronted with the term "BLM" to watching Trump's US Capitol insurrectionists killing and beating officers within an inch of their lives. Short circuits in critical thinking are a given.


MaxPower wrote:You are absolutely correct my good man. The vast majority of the BLM protests have been peaceful but your new report failed to mention the $1-2 BILLION USD dollars in damages making it the most expensive civil unrest in history.

Your BLM riot supporting 93% percentage increased drastically as protests went on for 7 months. So loot and the first few weeks, full your belly and then peacefully protest for the remainder of months? Well duh the percentage of “peace” must be high but the damage was already done. E.g - The Sean Luke killers only savagely/brutally raped once in their life so they are 99% good boys so that makes them generally innocent?

Now there is a difference between a riot and a protest and i noticed you referred BLM only as a protest and the Capitol only as a riot lol. You cannot compare your remarkable 93% peaceful protests to the riot at Capitol city. Compare your BLM riotS to the Capitol RioT. Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened. What about the BLM supporters present in the Capitol?

I understand all that you’re saying but BLM took lives, destroyed property and promoted violence and your 93% peaceful rating is of little significance. It’s very unfortunate that the genuine BLM peaceful protestors who wanted their voice heard for a change had to endure this disturbance and the world seen them in a different light, the same goes for those at the Capitol.


lol What is this? Christ.

Firstly, the U.S. Justice Department has responded to that claim (which was flagged on some social media networks) stating it does not have figures on property damage resulting from civil disturbances. That report that those claims came from and were bandied about on FOX News, that you are now holding up as "evidence" also does NOT give a specific damage estimate for the Floyd protests specifically. The Insurance Information Institute OWN spokesperson in that very report did not provide an estimate either. Also reread some of your own typed drivel and hopefully you'll see just how ridiculous your arguments actually are. I really don't have that kinda time to be going through every one of MaxPower's claims and responding. Go read something.

Boogaloo arrests reveal new extremist agenda to hijack protests

When three suspected members of the “boogaloo” movement were arrested in Las Vegas a week ago, it confirmed suspicions that extremists are looking for opportunities to trigger violence in Nevada communities.

The boogaloo arrests are the first in the country of far-right extremists accused of planning to disrupt and cause harm to Black Lives Matter protests, according to Joanna Mendelson, associate director of the Center on Extremism for the Anti-Defamation League.

“Extremists see the civil unrest as an opportunity to incite terror and distract from the critical messages of the protesters,” she said. “The alleged plot of this trio illustrates our concerns about extremists using the momentum and societal turmoil to bring their agendas to fruition.”

Experts believe national protests after the Minneapolis death of George Floyd have provided a big opportunity for the movement to expand.


https://www.reviewjournal.com/investiga ... s-2047161/

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

US attorney Erica MacDonald said on Friday that she had charged Ivan Harrison Hunter, a 26-year-old Texas resident, with traveling across state lines to participate in a riot. The charges are the latest example of far-right extremists attempting to use violence to escalate national protests against police brutality into an uprising against the government, and even full civil war. The case also reveals the extent of the coordination between violent members of the nascent far-right “Boogaloo Bois” movement operating in different cities across the country. According to the criminal complaint against Hunter, on 26 May, as intense protests broke out in Minneapolis over the killing of George Floyd by a city police officer, a “Boogaloo Boi” based in Minnesota posted a public Facebook message: “I need a headcount.”


MaxPower wrote:"Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened.


:lol:

Had to requote that. Good stuff.

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