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Habit7 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?
I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334
Habit7 wrote:You are saying it yourself, they are white extremists. Extremists on either side whether Conservative or Liberal do not exemplify the whole. If they did they won't be extremist, they will be mainstream.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-po ... d-to-riots
teems1 wrote:Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg
Does proof mean nothing to the right?
The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.
Habit7 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?
I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334
Habit7 wrote:teems1 wrote:Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg
Does proof mean nothing to the right?
The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.
Both BLM protest and the Capitol Riots had motives but had dubious facts backing it.
There are studies backing the notion of Systemic Racism in policing and there are studies challenging it. At the end of the day it is subjective and is not absolute like who won an election. But it doesn't justify looting businesses (many of them minority owned), destroying property and creating autonomous zones where Black ppl are further killed. Violent BLM protests disproportionally and negatively affect minority communities more than White communities
Likewise, while there were small irregularities in the voting. There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. Trump egged on his supporters to march on the Capitol with the clear intention to stop the Congress certification. He was wrong.
But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Habit7 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?
I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334
2:42 p.m. • Inside the Capitol
Group stops to pray
https://projects.propublica.org/parler- ... aaoVqC5BVQ
lots more videos on that page too
Many groups storming the Capitol carried Gadsden Flags and symbols - a symbol adopted by conservative and tea party groups in recent years
Habit7 wrote:teems1 wrote:Habit7 wrote:They_Should_All_be_Condemned_Small20210119013404[1].jpg
Does proof mean nothing to the right?
The BLM protest and riots had a clear motive.
Both BLM protest and the Capitol Riots had motives but had dubious facts backing it.
There are studies backing the notion of Systemic Racism in policing and there are studies challenging it. At the end of the day it is subjective and is not absolute like who won an election. But it doesn't justify looting businesses (many of them minority owned), destroying property and creating autonomous zones where Black ppl are further killed. Violent BLM protests disproportionally and negatively affect minority communities more than White communities
Likewise, while there were small irregularities in the voting. There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. Trump egged on his supporters to march on the Capitol with the clear intention to stop the Congress certification. He was wrong.
But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.
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Habit7 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Habit7 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ conservatives want to condemn the Capitol Riot AFTER they committed it?
I guess a crowd that was shouting "hang Pence" and included known BLM and Antifa activists in your mind is considered Conservative. But it is not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireSto ... n-75123334
2:42 p.m. • Inside the Capitol
Group stops to pray
https://projects.propublica.org/parler- ... aaoVqC5BVQ
lots more videos on that page too
Many groups storming the Capitol carried Gadsden Flags and symbols - a symbol adopted by conservative and tea party groups in recent years
I guess if some Unitarians pray at a gay pride parade it makes them and everyone attending conservatives? Especially since the rainbow was historically a Christian symbol.
The point is, there was widespread condemnation from Conservative politicians, leaders and groups.
Habit7 wrote:You are saying it yourself, they are white extremists. Extremists on either side whether Conservative or Liberal do not exemplify the whole. If they did they won't be extremist, they will be mainstream.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-po ... d-to-riots
redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate
redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate
Habit7 wrote:But with the Capitol riot you got widespread condemnation from Conservative leaders, but the BLM riots, even the violent ones, were justified by Leftist leaders and the media.
138069594_10159043271993189_705742527995399754_n.jpg
shogun wrote:The truth of the matter is the vast majority of BLM protests have been peaceful. And I don't remember reading anything about BLM members resorting to pipe bombs and having plans to hang the vice president and probably kidnap and murder officials, like some in the rioters' "movement" were convicted of plotting to in Michigan? Or did I miss that?
93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
MaxPower wrote:shogun wrote:The truth of the matter is the vast majority of BLM protests have been peaceful. And I don't remember reading anything about BLM members resorting to pipe bombs and having plans to hang the vice president and probably kidnap and murder officials, like some in the rioters' "movement" were convicted of plotting to in Michigan? Or did I miss that?
93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
Hello shogun,
You are absolutely correct my good man. The vast majority of the BLM protests have been peaceful but your new report failed to mention the $1-2 BILLION USD dollars in damages making it the most expensive civil unrest in history.
Your BLM riot supporting 93% percentage increased drastically as protests went on for 7 months. So loot and the first few weeks, full your belly and then peacefully protest for the remainder of months? Well duh the percentage of “peace” must be high but the damage was already done. E.g - The Sean Luke killers only savagely/brutally raped once in their life so they are 99% good boys so that makes them generally innocent?
Now there is a difference between a riot and a protest and i noticed you referred BLM only as a protest and the Capitol only as a riot lol. You cannot compare your remarkable 93% peaceful protests to the riot at Capitol city. Compare your BLM riotS to the Capitol RioT. Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened. What about the BLM supporters present in the Capitol?
I understand all that you’re saying but BLM took lives, destroyed property and promoted violence and your 93% peaceful rating is of little significance. It’s very unfortunate that the genuine BLM peaceful protestors who wanted their voice heard for a change had to endure this disturbance and the world seen them in a different light, the same goes for those at the Capitol.
alfa wrote:Correct Max. While I don't support the Capitol Hill rotis
ai the vids of the vandalism and go after those too?pete wrote:Y'all gonna gloss over the facts that right wing extremists were repsonsible for a lot of the destruction caused in the BLM protests?
adnj wrote:redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate
The short answer in the US is, yes. The US Constitution expressly allows for laws that restrict the rights of an individual or group with respect to freedom of speech or expression that directly results in a violent assembly or acts.
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Demonstrations that lack the proper permits, or run outside of pre-designated areas may be deemed a riot, or the related offense of unlawful assembly, which typically involves peaceful but unpermitted demonstrations.
Apart from the charge of rioting, which covers the destructive or disruptive acts themselves, there are a number of associated crimes that may also be charged.
Incitement to riot is when a person encourages others to commit a breach of the peace without necessarily acting themselves. This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.
Conspiracy to riot involves planning acts that, if undertaken, would result in a breach of the peace. However, conspiracy convictions usually require the defendant to have undertaken an overt act in furtherance of their plan.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-c ... he%20peace.
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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” – The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.
redmanjp wrote:adnj wrote:redmanjp wrote:so simply telling ppl to march is now considered incitement? when that is protected by the 1st Amendment? good luck trying to convict him in the Senate
The short answer in the US is, yes. The US Constitution expressly allows for laws that restrict the rights of an individual or group with respect to freedom of speech or expression that directly results in a violent assembly or acts.
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Demonstrations that lack the proper permits, or run outside of pre-designated areas may be deemed a riot, or the related offense of unlawful assembly, which typically involves peaceful but unpermitted demonstrations.
Apart from the charge of rioting, which covers the destructive or disruptive acts themselves, there are a number of associated crimes that may also be charged.
Incitement to riot is when a person encourages others to commit a breach of the peace without necessarily acting themselves. This may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.
Conspiracy to riot involves planning acts that, if undertaken, would result in a breach of the peace. However, conspiracy convictions usually require the defendant to have undertaken an overt act in furtherance of their plan.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-c ... he%20peace.
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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” – The First Amendment to the U.S. ConstitutionThis may involve statements, signs, or conduct intended to lead others to riot.
so it all comes down to what words specifically trump said that were meant to incite a riot or violence- and also if trump knew it would have resulted in violence- he did not say 'storm the Capitol'
add to that the evidence that this was planned in advance - the case doesn't look too strong imo
here is the full transcript of his speech that day - it specifically includes the words "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"
the last paragraph where he speaks of heading to the Capitol?
"So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give … The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech
Les Bain wrote:alfa wrote:Correct Max. While I don't support the Capitol Hill rotis
pete wrote:Y'all gonna gloss over the facts that right wing extremists were repsonsible for a lot of the destruction caused in the BLM protests?
MaxPower wrote:You are absolutely correct my good man. The vast majority of the BLM protests have been peaceful but your new report failed to mention the $1-2 BILLION USD dollars in damages making it the most expensive civil unrest in history.
Your BLM riot supporting 93% percentage increased drastically as protests went on for 7 months. So loot and the first few weeks, full your belly and then peacefully protest for the remainder of months? Well duh the percentage of “peace” must be high but the damage was already done. E.g - The Sean Luke killers only savagely/brutally raped once in their life so they are 99% good boys so that makes them generally innocent?
Now there is a difference between a riot and a protest and i noticed you referred BLM only as a protest and the Capitol only as a riot lol. You cannot compare your remarkable 93% peaceful protests to the riot at Capitol city. Compare your BLM riotS to the Capitol RioT. Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened. What about the BLM supporters present in the Capitol?
I understand all that you’re saying but BLM took lives, destroyed property and promoted violence and your 93% peaceful rating is of little significance. It’s very unfortunate that the genuine BLM peaceful protestors who wanted their voice heard for a change had to endure this disturbance and the world seen them in a different light, the same goes for those at the Capitol.
MaxPower wrote:"Did you read anything about pipe bombs exploding, VP hanged, kidnapping or murders? It never happened.
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