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Miktay wrote:Thiz court ruling iz in CA: a blue state. It likely won’t change the outcome of the US election. The CA electorate voted overwhelmingly for Biden.
But the issue iz similar to those in other swing states like PA.California Governor Violated the Constitution With Mail Ballot Order: Judge
California Gov. Gavin Newsom exceeded his authority and violated the state Constitution with an executive order that let all Californians vote by mail if they wanted to.
Sutter County Superior Court Judge Sarah Heckman ruled Friday that the order, N-67-20, “improperly amended existing statutory law, exceeding the governor’s authority and violating the separation of powers.”
The order stated, citing the COVID-19 pandemic, that “all Californians who are registered to vote in” the Nov. 3 election “must be empowered to vote by mail, as an alternative to in-person voting.”
Newsom, a Democrat, argued that California’s government code gave him the power to issue orders like the one concerning mail ballots, but the judge was not convinced.
The legislative branch makes laws, Heckman said in the 9-page ruling, while the governor and the executive branch sees that laws are faithfully executed.
“The Governor may not exercise legislative powers unless permitted by the Constitution. Article V, Section 1 of the California Constitution does not grant the Governor the power to exercise those functions which have been given to the Legislature, absent the Legislature’s delegation of a portion of its legislative authority to such executive officials or entities through statutory enactments,” the judge ruled.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/californi ... 79483.html
adnj wrote:Miktay wrote:Thiz court ruling iz in CA: a blue state. It likely won’t change the outcome of the US election. The CA electorate voted overwhelmingly for Biden.
But the issue iz similar to those in other swing states like PA.California Governor Violated the Constitution With Mail Ballot Order: Judge
California Gov. Gavin Newsom exceeded his authority and violated the state Constitution with an executive order that let all Californians vote by mail if they wanted to.
Sutter County Superior Court Judge Sarah Heckman ruled Friday that the order, N-67-20, “improperly amended existing statutory law, exceeding the governor’s authority and violating the separation of powers.”
The order stated, citing the COVID-19 pandemic, that “all Californians who are registered to vote in” the Nov. 3 election “must be empowered to vote by mail, as an alternative to in-person voting.”
Newsom, a Democrat, argued that California’s government code gave him the power to issue orders like the one concerning mail ballots, but the judge was not convinced.
The legislative branch makes laws, Heckman said in the 9-page ruling, while the governor and the executive branch sees that laws are faithfully executed.
“The Governor may not exercise legislative powers unless permitted by the Constitution. Article V, Section 1 of the California Constitution does not grant the Governor the power to exercise those functions which have been given to the Legislature, absent the Legislature’s delegation of a portion of its legislative authority to such executive officials or entities through statutory enactments,” the judge ruled.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/californi ... 79483.html
You are woefully misinformed. Everything that you have highlighted is moot. You may also wish to become familiar with the recent voting process legislation that has passed in Pennsylvania.
The portion of Executive Order regarding absentee ballot voting was superseded by CA AN 680 less than two weeks later. Governor Newsom stated that the executive orders were put in place to "get a jump start" on the work that the pending legislation would make necessary.
California's legislature passed a law that allows for 100% mail-in voting without a voter ballot request on 18 June 2020 specifically citing reasons such as COVID-19.
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Date Published: 06/18/2020 09:00 PM
BILL START
Assembly Bill No. 860
CHAPTER 4
An act to amend Sections 3019.7, 3020, and 15101 of, and to add Sections 3000.5 and 3016.7 to, the Elections Code, relating to elections, and declaring the urgency thereof, to take effect immediately.
[ Approved by Governor June 18, 2020. Filed with Secretary of State June 18, 2020. ]
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
AB 860, Berman. Elections: vote by mail ballots.
Under existing law, a registered voter may vote by mail by requesting a vote by mail ballot for a specific election or by becoming a permanent vote by mail voter. County elections officials must begin mailing ballots and other required materials to these voters no later than 29 days before the day of the election. Existing law, the California Voter’s Choice Act, authorizes any county to conduct any election occurring on or after January 1, 2020, as an all-mailed ballot election if specified conditions are met. In an all-mailed ballot election held under the act, the county elections official must mail a ballot to every registered voter, regardless of whether the voter requested a vote by mail ballot or is a permanent vote by mail voter.
This bill would require county elections officials to mail a ballot to every registered voter for the November 3, 2020, statewide general election.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... 20200AB860
Miktay wrote:adnj wrote:Miktay wrote:Thiz court ruling iz in CA: a blue state. It likely won’t change the outcome of the US election. The CA electorate voted overwhelmingly for Biden.
But the issue iz similar to those in other swing states like PA.California Governor Violated the Constitution With Mail Ballot Order: Judge
California Gov. Gavin Newsom exceeded his authority and violated the state Constitution with an executive order that let all Californians vote by mail if they wanted to.
Sutter County Superior Court Judge Sarah Heckman ruled Friday that the order, N-67-20, “improperly amended existing statutory law, exceeding the governor’s authority and violating the separation of powers.”
The order stated, citing the COVID-19 pandemic, that “all Californians who are registered to vote in” the Nov. 3 election “must be empowered to vote by mail, as an alternative to in-person voting.”
Newsom, a Democrat, argued that California’s government code gave him the power to issue orders like the one concerning mail ballots, but the judge was not convinced.
The legislative branch makes laws, Heckman said in the 9-page ruling, while the governor and the executive branch sees that laws are faithfully executed.
“The Governor may not exercise legislative powers unless permitted by the Constitution. Article V, Section 1 of the California Constitution does not grant the Governor the power to exercise those functions which have been given to the Legislature, absent the Legislature’s delegation of a portion of its legislative authority to such executive officials or entities through statutory enactments,” the judge ruled.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/californi ... 79483.html
You are woefully misinformed. Everything that you have highlighted is moot. You may also wish to become familiar with the recent voting process legislation that has passed in Pennsylvania.
The portion of Executive Order regarding absentee ballot voting was superseded by CA AN 680 less than two weeks later. Governor Newsom stated that the executive orders were put in place to "get a jump start" on the work that the pending legislation would make necessary.
California's legislature passed a law that allows for 100% mail-in voting without a voter ballot request on 18 June 2020 specifically citing reasons such as COVID-19.
------------
Date Published: 06/18/2020 09:00 PM
BILL START
Assembly Bill No. 860
CHAPTER 4
An act to amend Sections 3019.7, 3020, and 15101 of, and to add Sections 3000.5 and 3016.7 to, the Elections Code, relating to elections, and declaring the urgency thereof, to take effect immediately.
[ Approved by Governor June 18, 2020. Filed with Secretary of State June 18, 2020. ]
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST
AB 860, Berman. Elections: vote by mail ballots.
Under existing law, a registered voter may vote by mail by requesting a vote by mail ballot for a specific election or by becoming a permanent vote by mail voter. County elections officials must begin mailing ballots and other required materials to these voters no later than 29 days before the day of the election. Existing law, the California Voter’s Choice Act, authorizes any county to conduct any election occurring on or after January 1, 2020, as an all-mailed ballot election if specified conditions are met. In an all-mailed ballot election held under the act, the county elections official must mail a ballot to every registered voter, regardless of whether the voter requested a vote by mail ballot or is a permanent vote by mail voter.
This bill would require county elections officials to mail a ballot to every registered voter for the November 3, 2020, statewide general election.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... 20200AB860
That iz why there are courts. That iz why there are checks and balances in the USA.
That iz why any pronouncement by me...you are others are moot until the courts decide
Let the process work.
Miktay wrote:Max: what u tink?
The courts are not involved in certifying any US election... The secretaries of the individual states and D.C. are.Miktay wrote:^^For the simple minded amongst us here iz the point: There iza process involved in certifying US elections. The media or Big tech don’t get to decide who wins.
Thiz issue iz bigger that whether Trump or Biden prevails. It iz about the integrity of basis of democracy: voting rights.
If u can’t see that I dunno what to tell ya.
adnj wrote:The courts are not involved in certifying any US election... The secretaries of the individual states and D.C. are.Miktay wrote:^^For the simple minded amongst us here iz the point: There iza process involved in certifying US elections. The media or Big tech don’t get to decide who wins.
Thiz issue iz bigger that whether Trump or Biden prevails. It iz about the integrity of basis of democracy: voting rights.
If u can’t see that I dunno what to tell ya.
There is no role played by "big tech" or media outlets. They simply rely on exit poll data and trend analysis to give a preliminary judgment or "call." Those methods are accurate more than 80% of the time.
Perhaps the issue is the recent popular misconception of the involvement of the US judiciary.
The point that you mistakenly referenced had nothing to do with elections but rather the modification of several points of law by the governor. The legality of those points as they pertain to a particular state's constitution or the US constitution is the only "process" served by the US judiciary.
So, again, you are not actually making a point.
Miktay wrote:Max: what u tink?
Kewell35 wrote:adnj wrote:The courts are not involved in certifying any US election... The secretaries of the individual states and D.C. are.Miktay wrote:^^For the simple minded amongst us here iz the point: There iza process involved in certifying US elections. The media or Big tech don’t get to decide who wins.
Thiz issue iz bigger that whether Trump or Biden prevails. It iz about the integrity of basis of democracy: voting rights.
If u can’t see that I dunno what to tell ya.
There is no role played by "big tech" or media outlets. They simply rely on exit poll data and trend analysis to give a preliminary judgment or "call." Those methods are accurate more than 80% of the time.
Perhaps the issue is the recent popular misconception of the involvement of the US judiciary.
The point that you mistakenly referenced had nothing to do with elections but rather the modification of several points of law by the governor. The legality of those points as they pertain to a particular state's constitution or the US constitution is the only "process" served by the US judiciary.
So, again, you are not actually making a point.
Trump is trying to use the courts to try to delay/block the certification process. I think that's what he meant...and to wait for the outcome.
It doesn't look good for Trump though as the courts haven't been much in his favor so far.
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